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kamml posted 05-29-2001 07:42 PM ET (US)   Profile for kamml   Send Email to kamml  
Is a 3litre V6 150 hp enough for towing a Montauk w/trailer weighing in around 2200lbs? I have a chance to get a 2001 Mazda B3000 Dual Sport Extcab at real good price. My Tacoma 2.4 is adequate but not overly vigerous when towing my Whaler. I would like to move up to something with a little more torque, but... a truck thats still not too bad on fuel. Gas in SC is around 1.56 a gal. for regular and it is expected to increase over the summer.
daverdla posted 05-29-2001 09:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for daverdla  Send Email to daverdla     
kamml,
I have very little towing experience but my toyota T100 4X4 seems more than adequate for towing my montauk. I believe my v6 is rated at about 190HP. I had my truck weighed recently, its about 4200lbs empty. I would guess that the B3000 weighs less so 150hp might be okay. I'm sure 2200lbs is within its rated towing capacity.
Dave
triblet posted 05-29-2001 09:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
I tow my Montauk with a '95 Nissan Pathfinder
with a 3.0l rated at about 170HP. It's fine.
I've got a stick that's rated at 3500 pounds
towing capacity. The automatics are rated
at 5000 pounds. I have to use 3rd gear on
the very steepest hills, but it still runs
60+ up those hills.

And I'll probably replace the PF (130,000
miles) with another PF RSN.

And I've usually got myself, Admiral Linda,
and 300 pounds of SCUBA gear in the truck.

Chuck

Erik posted 05-29-2001 09:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Erik    
Thats strange, 3.0liter V6 is only pushing 150hp? Do you know that your 2.4liter 4 banger toyota pushes 142hp, almost as much as the V6. I hope that Ford has 4 wheel drive. I think any 4x4 can pull a montauk. Just yesterday myself and about 10 other people watched as a suzuki samari (which is the smalles 4x4 jeep I have ever seen) pull a 25' bowrider boat with 2 big women in the back up a terrible ramp with only a squeak at the front tire as it pulled the boat up. The guy next who was also in shock told me thoughs jeeps have 1.3liter engines that only push only around 70hp!!! That made my day!
triblet posted 05-29-2001 11:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
Actually, Mazda's website says only 147 HP.
They also have a 4.0L with 207HP. That does
seem low. My 3.0L Nissan is in the 170-180
HP range.

Torque is 179 and 238 ft-lbs respectively.

Chuck

andygere posted 05-30-2001 11:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
I tow my Montauk with a 4.0L in-line 6 Jeep Wrangler. The engine makes 180 hp, and has lots of low end tourque. Plenty of power on both the ramp and the freeway. The weak link with this rig will likely be the clutch.
triblet posted 05-30-2001 11:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
For what it's worth, I've got 130,000 miles
on my PF, and the original clutch. Original
EVERYTHING except a couple of light bulbs,
and an A/C clutch I need to replace, but can't
get the old one off.

Chuck

carlz posted 05-30-2001 03:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for carlz  Send Email to carlz     
2200 lbs sounds a little lite. Did you weigh it?
In any case, horsepower is just one factor in what makes a vehicle confortable when towing. Torque, rear-end gearing, vehicle weight and wheelbase all work together toward the end result. Without knowing the particular vehicle, pickup's tend to have the right attributes. I towed my 2700# 17' with a VW vanagon that had only 130hp and it was fine. I could go right up to 75mph and it felt fine. A little slow going up hills, but the weight, wheelbase and gearing were all favorable and made up for low power.
kamml posted 05-30-2001 07:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamml  Send Email to kamml     
Thanks for the responses. I know my Tacoma has 142 hp, but most of it is close to the top end so its not much good on the ramp or in 5th. In 5th it sorta just dies off and loses speed at what seems a slow rate (unless you are directly behind me). Then I am sure it is a pain in the rear. If I drive in 4th with the cruise in, it is usually not a problem, but it is pulling its little heart out and loses some speed with every rise in the road. The Mazada cum Ford motor produces it max torque lower in the rpm range. The HP does seem low but it produces its max hp at less RPM than the 2.4 litre Tacoma and it comes with a 5spd automatic trans. The model I will be getting has the suspension of the 4x4 but is only 4x2. That will end my rear sag problems I have had with the Tacoma. I figured 950 lbs for the hull 280 for the motor (50 Merc), 750 for the trailer and some additional for misc items, cooler, bimini, instruments, life vests, fish poles 12 gallons of gas, etc. maybe 120 lbs. Thanks again for the towing info, towing with a Samuri, make me think of the Chevy Tracker and 18 wheeler commercial.
Hoop posted 05-30-2001 08:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoop  Send Email to Hoop     
12 gallons of gas alone weighs about 84 pounds, by the way.

My number one recommendation on towing: get limited slip differential and be sure that the vehicle has any recommended factory trailer towing package. It makes all the difference in the world at slippery launch ramps. I tow my Montauk with a Ford Ranger, 4 liter, limited slip, automatic transmission, trailer towing package and heavy duty suspension. My intuition is that the 3 liter Mazda would do just fine if you have the trailer towing package; but I would add limited slip. Better gas mileage with limited slip than with 4 wheel drive, and insurance is less expensive too!

The best resource for towing advice I've come across is Trailerboats Magazine.

Hoop
San Jose, CA

Tom W Clark posted 05-30-2001 11:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
I used to tow my Montauk with a small Toyota p/u with a 2.2 litre, 4 cylinder, 100 hp (22R motor) no problem just like your 2.4 Tacoma. I towed my Outrage 18 with my T100, V-6 150hp engine even better than the old rig, so I'm sure your new Mazda would hardly feel the Montauk at all.

I may be of a different school of thought on towing but I think that if you feel your load, that's OK. I've never understood the idea that if you feel your towing load then you have to run out and get a truck so big that you don't feel the load. The brakes, on the other hand, are another matter....

kamml posted 05-31-2001 06:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamml  Send Email to kamml     
The Mazda website states that this model has limited slip as standard. The brochure states that limited slip is only standard on the 4 litre. I will wait for it to get up in the air at its first oil change and check to see just what exactly it is. Right now with only 175 miles on the clock it is kinda tight. The Mazda dealer said that modern engines don't require a break in. I will stick with no constant speeds, no fast stops and no jackrabbit starts until at least 500 miles are on the odometer. Again, thanks for all the good advice.
Whaletosh posted 05-31-2001 08:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whaletosh    
not in the same league, but it does point out that HP isn't the only thing to worry about:

compare the Dodge Ram with the Cummins Turbo diesel and the gas V-10.

diesel:
235 HP, 460 lb-ft torque

gas V-10:
310 HP; 450 lb-ft torque

which one will accelerate up a hill faster in towing mode? I would bet on the diesel.

Sean

whalernut posted 05-31-2001 08:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Sean, I agree with you`re comparison as Torque is more important than horsepower especially at starting out and on hills with heavy weight. My 1993 Dodge Dakota 4x4 has the 318cid V8 with 230h.p. but has 300lbs. of torque and I have the limited slip 3:90 rear end. The stock rear end was 3:55 which would have been plenty, but I hunt in the mountains of PA. and like the low end for the rough roads, etc. I probably lose a little gas mileage at top end, but worth it on hills, towing, and off road! I also drive a deisel truck and can attest to the low end power! Regards-Jack Graner.
Whaletosh posted 06-01-2001 04:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whaletosh    
Speeking of towing capacity, check out Daimler-Chrysiler's Hummer killer the UniMog.Standing 9 feet 7 inches tall, 7 feet 6 inches wide, weighing 12,500 pounds, the Unimog out sizes even General Motors' Hummer and Ford's Excursion. I think it is rated for 26,000 lbs towing capacity.
triblet posted 06-01-2001 05:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
The Unimog would be just right for towing
your 34' Defiance. And about the same cost!

They aren't new -- I ran into a couple of
Austrians in Yellowstone about '93 that had
one they had driven up from South America,
and Car and Driver mag did a long term test
on one about 1980.

I hear they are popular with oil sheiks as
desert motor homes.


Chuck

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