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ledfoot posted 06-09-2001 01:09 AM ET (US)   Profile for ledfoot   Send Email to ledfoot  
Please if anyone has had good or bad experiences with this boat let me know! I am aware that it was designed under Peter Van Lancker and I saw "Backlash" in the rondevous section. Is that owner out there? Any suggestions; my sea trial is late next week. The boat has a 1993 225 Evinrude Ocean Pro with 300 hours. The boat (and I) are in SE Michigan and she is a fresh water boat with bottom paint and trim tabs. What kind of speed can I expect? Are there any performance or handling "quirks" I should look for??? I also need a trailer for this rig. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance!!
llewellyn posted 06-09-2001 09:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for llewellyn  Send Email to llewellyn     
I believe that hp(200 &235) might require serious investigation into possibly significant problems?
Cruiser posted 06-09-2001 10:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for Cruiser    
I believe that Evinrude is fine. I think it was the 99 & 2000 large Evinrude Fichts which had problems.
Backlash posted 06-09-2001 05:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
Ledfoot,

The 21 is a great all-around boat. Mine is a '91 and I believe the only differences are the '93 had less standard equipment than the '91. With a deeper vee hull than the older Outrages, the boat tends to "bow steer" in a quartering sea due to the lack of pronounced sponsons. However, in a head sea there is considerably less pounding and the entry is softer. I have not experienced any problems or noticed any differences in a following sea as compared to an older Outrage. While some have stated the newer hull designs are less stable (at rest), I have not experienced this in the 21 or in any larger whaler.
With my 200 Yamaha and a 17 pitch prop, before installing my radar arch, I could get close to 50 MPH. I would think you should expect close to that even with the bottom paint.
If the boat is is good condition I would highly recommend it. I have only seen 2 other 21 Walkarounds...one in West Palm Beach and one in Charlevoix. E-mail me if you want any other information.
Good Luck!
Steve

reelescape1 posted 06-10-2001 07:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for reelescape1  Send Email to reelescape1     
My buddy here in SC bought a 93 21 OR new w/225 Evin. OP, we regularly take it 50-60 miles off to the stream. He has in excess of 1000 hrs on it...runs fine! Gets about 1.2m/gal.
Maine whaler posted 06-20-2001 07:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Maine whaler  Send Email to Maine whaler     
I am also considering a 21 foot walkaround 1991 with 200 evinrude. Can I ask what you are paying for the '93. They are asking $16,000 on yachtworld.com. Backlash .. can you tell me what the capacity of the 21footer is. I will be using for an island comuter with family of 5 and two dogs in the ocean. Thanks!!
ledfoot posted 06-21-2001 08:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for ledfoot  Send Email to ledfoot     
I don't know the condition of the Whaler you are considering, but mine was quite a bit more $. However, it is a 300 hour, freshwater, rack-stored (winters) example with a real marine head & a 40 gallon holding tank. It has a 225 Evinrude Ocean Pro. Maybe I'm just trying to make myself feel better, but really, this model of boat rides great, is perfectly dry, and with the 225, moves out pretty well. I would say that 4-5 persons is the max (small cockpit). Make sure it has trim tabs.
bigz posted 06-21-2001 10:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Ledfoot congratulation on your purchase!

Here are the specs. thought you might want to know on the 21 WA then again you should have the manual now --- anyway maybe Maine Whaler would like them --- 21'0 LOA, 8'6" Beam, 13" Draft, 2600 lbs. base weight, 2550 lbs. max. weight capacity persons gear and motor, 6000 lbs swamped capacity, 11 persons capacity with max hp motor which is 250 hp and a 92 gallon fuel tank the head was optional under the starboard V berth --- wow 40 gallon holding tank --- our 27 WA only has a 25 gallon one!

Maine Whaler, sounds like they are discounting that 200hp from the price to quite a degree which probably is fine since it is a '91 I would guess. You have some room to repower without taking a hard $$$ hit if by chance the 200hp has problems --- though one problem it will have is pretty poor fuel economy --- other than that if maintained they were build like tanks. If the hull is sound buy it after a good inspection, the hull is worth the price alone in my opinion. She would be great for your use.
Good luck, Tom

Maine whaler posted 06-21-2001 09:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maine whaler  Send Email to Maine whaler     
Well, I guess it was a good deal. Before I could get down to see it this weekend it was sold. Ah well I guessit wasn't meant to be.
I am somewhat heartbroken however after all the nice thingsyou all had to say about the boat.
ledfoot posted 06-22-2001 10:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for ledfoot  Send Email to ledfoot     
Maine Whaler, sorry about your loss. Keep looking, last winter there was a 23' with twin 150's for sale, and I've seen a couple others. However, they only made about 200 21's in 1993. I don't know the build numbers for 91-92. Bigz?

Its a great boat so far, so easy to get around on deck, and there's still a place to sleep!

hardensheetmetal posted 06-24-2001 11:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
Maine Whaler-

I know how you feel, I keep missing good deals by one or two days. If you are still interested, I have seen a 21WA outside of John Herman Marine (an ex-whaler dealer). The boat has been sitting, I'm not sure if it is even for sale, but might be worth a call (203)325-3521

Dan

Bigshot posted 06-25-2001 11:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
I wanted to tell you that last week but my site was working real slow. At that price you gotta move fast. When i call on a whaler, I go and see it pronto. If I like it I offer and see what gives. If I let any of the boats go for another 1/2 day they would have been gone. Twice when i sold my boats, i have had 2 guys fighting over the boat in my driveway, I allowed the first guy to purchase. I have also been screwed by sellers. I put down $200 on a boat and came back a few hours later with the rest and it was gone. Someone offered full price and he screwed me,what can you do?
ledfoot posted 06-25-2001 12:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for ledfoot  Send Email to ledfoot     
It was the same deal with my walkaround; I had been checking the classifieds every morning. I was the first to call, the first to see it, I negotiated on the spot (the boat needed bottom paint and major detailing). I left for home without giving the buyer a deposit. After discussing it with my wife, I called him at 10 pm and drove down first thing in the morning & gave him a deposit. He put a lot of pressure on me, saying there were people lined up at full price. Uncomfortable, but I guess thats what happens with a good product. It didn't hurt that these boats are VERY rare up here in Michigan and it had a 300 hour 225 on it.
Maine whaler posted 06-25-2001 12:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maine whaler  Send Email to Maine whaler     
I called on the walkaround ... 23 footer with twin 150 johnsons, 1993 not for sale but maybe. I left my name and number. We will see what happens. Thanks for the tip. dealer said the price would be around 30K Does this sound reasonible??
lhg posted 06-25-2001 04:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
There is some fairly recent discussion on the performance and handling of the 23 Walkaround on this site. Check it out before you buy.

I think the 21 Walkaround is a superior boat.

Maine whaler posted 06-25-2001 05:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maine whaler  Send Email to Maine whaler     
I did a search for the last 100 days and didn't seem to find anything that was obviously about 23 walkarounds? Any leads as to where I might find the discussion?
bdb posted 06-26-2001 06:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for bdb  Send Email to bdb     
MW,

Check out "Intracoastal Whalers May 8" in the cetacea comments section. Thread ran there because the comments refer to a cetacea pic. Click down to my observations on running this hull. I've run it since it was new (10 yrs?) and have some firm opinions on it.

Maine whaler posted 06-26-2001 09:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for Maine whaler  Send Email to Maine whaler     
Thanks for the reference .... Boy I think you folks are right, I will wait to find a 21. 23 was going to push my budget and towing limits anyway. Great to hear from an owner who is honest enough to admit that all is not perfect with their boat. Thanks for saving me a bunch of money.
djmerrill posted 07-02-2001 09:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for djmerrill  Send Email to djmerrill     
Maine Whaler

I saw your response and know your plight. I also live in Maine, and have found that while we have a lot of Whalers, they don't seem to turn over very much. I envy those in Florida that have their pick of Model, Power, and condition!

I had been looking for a Montauk or small Outrage for about 2 years, fairly casually. As you know, that doesn't work in Maine. Scanning Uncle Henrys or the Bangor Paper, I'd wait until Friday night or Saturday morning to call, and find out that the boats were sold. 2 summers ago I got serious, but still had no luck. I began using www.allaboutboats.com and searching for Outrages between 17 and 19 feet. I finally found one in Boston at Russo Marine. I called, it sounded good, and I took off on a Saturday morning, check in hand. I expected to be taken advantage of and dissappointed after a 4 hour drive. I found the salesman had described the boat accurately, and I paid asking price and drove home that day. I didn't get a "great" deal, but then again, I haven't seen very many great deals in this corner of the country.

Anyway, it sounds like your searching right, keep it up, one will turn up. What part of the coast are you island hopping to? I just took my 17 Outrage from SW Harbor through Eggmoggin Reach up the Penobscot to Bangor. Fun cruise through the islands. I love the coast here!

Doug

Maine whaler posted 07-04-2001 07:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maine whaler  Send Email to Maine whaler     
I live near Portland (cape Elizabeth) and spend alot of time in CAsco Bay. As matter of fact taking my current boat (a Grady 19) out to see the fire works tonight. We just bought a small place on Great Diamond (actually close on it tomorrow and I am afraid the Grady won't do for hauling loads and people in all kinds of weather.
I also have done alot of baoting around Port Clyde in Penobscot Bay. The whole coast is great. I agree.
Bigshot posted 07-05-2001 11:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
went to boattraderonline.com last night. Many whalers for sale, most in NE or midwest.

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