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21 Foot Walkaround
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posted 08-08-2001 12:36 PM ET (US)
I just ran across a 1991 Walkaround Whaler on the internet for 19,900. A couple of questions 1. It only has a 175 hp johnson on it. Will I be happy with that? 2. Is the price fair? does have electric marine head, and vhf but that is all. 3.I have also read on this board the need for trim tabs. What is it about the boat that requires these?
4. The boat is 8 hours away, and business will keep me too busy for that trip for at least two weeks. Any one know a good surveyor in Long Island, NY?
posted 08-08-2001 09:37 PM ET (US)
Regarding HP, a friend who has one uses a 200HP Yamaha, and it runs quite well, about 42mph, although he has said he wished he had the 250HP max rating. It takes a lot of power to get this boat up on plane, evidently.
I think a 175 may be a little light, more in the range of 38-40, with reduced load carrying capacity. I've never really understood why the Dealers, or buyers, unpower boats like this, but see it often.
posted 08-09-2001 09:32 AM ET (US)
Glad to see that you've located another 21, MW. I recently puchased a 1993 21' Walkaround with an Evinrude Ocean Pro 225. It runs around 50 mph. Personally, I wouldn't run with any less, and I, too, would re-power with a 250 if I had to. I say this not so much for top end, though I enjoy speed as much as the next guy, but to get the boat on plane easily and keep it on plane at slow speeds with a heavy load. Things you need to know:
92 gallons of fuel under the rear deck weighs a lot
I have small trim tabs and the bow still won't get down enough when its rough and there are 4 people on board
those 4 people are all in the aft half of the boat, along with the fuel, engine, battery, etc...nobody can sit up front while on a plane-too rough
The price sounds reasonable, but I would consider the motor a throwaway. I believe (hope?) that this is the kind of boat you can get your money out of. It is a unique layout, its a Whaler, and its has a ton of great features.
posted 08-09-2001 10:43 AM ET (US)
MW - I agree with ledfoot that the 175 is marginal on this boat and that I too would repower with a 250 for the reasons he stated. The 19,900 sounds like a good price if the boat is in good shape. This boat came from the factory with a manual head and hydraulic steering as standard equipment.
I'm a big fan of trim tabs and the 21 certainly can use them. I installed 9 x 12's on mine and am considering swapping them out for 12 x 12's.
This is a great boat with many unique features. Good luck!
posted 08-09-2001 12:30 PM ET (US)
Steve - glad to see you're out there "lurking" around. Sorry you missed GB.
posted 08-09-2001 01:01 PM ET (US)
Steve, my tabs are no larger than your 9x12's-maybe smaller.
Could you provide me with some specifics about your transom jackplate?
Did it allow you to trim the boat out better (nose down at slow planing speeds in a chop, specifically)?
I have a real hard time keeping the bow down with a load aft. If you could, please describe the changes the jackplate made to the ride & handling.
posted 08-09-2001 01:15 PM ET (US)
Ledfoot, your Evinrude may need to be wedged to get her nose down or possibly the prop changed to the "OMC" 4 blade Renegade Offshore, even though it is recommended for twin applications might do the trick. Really should not have to depend on tabs to keep that nose down. You'll loose a little performance but gain a lot better control where you need it most with the 4 blade.
Maine Whaler, I have the name of an excellent certified surveyor in NJ which I'm sure would be happy to recommend one out on the Island, if any interest email and fill me in on the details, would be happy to give him or you could a call.
posted 08-09-2001 02:49 PM ET (US)
Jeff, if your tabs were installed at the factory they are probably 9x9's. That is what they recommended when I called prior to ordering mine. Once on plane, I have never had a problem trimming the bow down using just the engine trim. I think BigZ may be on to something with the wedge suggestion. I also think 9x12 or 12x12 tabs would allow you to remain on plane at slower speeds with a load aft assuming yours are 9x9's.
Do you normally run around with a full tank of gas? I seldom have more than 40-45 gals. in mine most of the time.
My transom bracket is a Springfield Marine with a 10" setback. I run a Mercury 19 pitch Laser II prop with a Doel-fin. The bracket lets me raise/lower (manually) the engine and I am able to trim the engine better and the overall handling has improved, especially at low speeds. The freed up space in the motor well is a nice plus also.
I'd be curious to know what prop you are running and the actual size of your tabs.
posted 08-09-2001 06:01 PM ET (US)
Thanks guys. Steve, I'll measure the tabs tonight. I just bought a Michigan Wheel 3-blade Raptor prop with a 19 pitch. I'll be trying it out this weekend.
So which is it? Engine setback bracket or wedge or tabs or all three? Which should I do first?
posted 08-09-2001 08:12 PM ET (US)
Thanks forall your advise. I am not sure I want tospendthis oneon a boat and repower right away at this price. I will try to talk him down or wait for one with a bigger engine.
If I buy this one, would a four blade prop help my low end performance with a load. Low 30's cruising is fine by me.
posted 08-10-2001 08:55 AM ET (US)
Steve, my tabs are 9x12's
posted 08-14-2001 04:45 PM ET (US)
How did the new Raptor prop do?
posted 10-10-2001 05:19 PM ET (US)
Does the 21 foot lenght include the bow pulpit?
posted 10-11-2001 12:47 PM ET (US)
No. In the good old days, BW would never include that in the length. But now I'm suspecting both bow pulpits and swim platforms are occasionally, but not always, being included, ala Sea Ray. It's a bit confusing to determine what you're really buying and there doesn't seem to be any standard.
It's waterline length that REALLY counts.
posted 10-11-2001 12:54 PM ET (US)
Steve, I am pleased as punch with the new prop. It turns out that the engine was skewed on the transom, and I had the engine repositioned; it now tracks well and doen't try to pull the wheel out of your hands. As I mentioned before, its running 56-57 mph and FEELS much torqueier in the midrange with the new prop.
posted 10-12-2001 05:27 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the info. I have to get down to long island to see one down there. Also looking at a 21ft Parker walkaround. I will have to test drive them both.
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