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masbama posted 10-10-2001 08:58 PM ET (US)   Profile for masbama   Send Email to masbama  
I want to know if anyone has info regarding the product line for 2002? I want a 70 or 90 hp. I don't want a Merc, Suzuki, Ficht or Yam. (Money-ain't got enough) I need to repower now and I don't think that either of these are bad engines. Anyone with insight?.....
jimh posted 10-10-2001 09:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
It takes a lot less effort to make a website with the specifications for your product than it does to manufacture a world-class outboard engine. Does Johnson have either?
Hank posted 10-10-2001 10:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hank  Send Email to Hank     
Johnson does have a website which gives specs on their 2001 engines. www.johnson.com
They have no data on their 2002 engines.
Mercury website does not seem to have their engines "dated" ie.,2001 or 2002.
Johnson's website compares their engines to Mercury and Yamaha engines.
Hank
masbama posted 10-10-2001 11:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for masbama  Send Email to masbama     
Hey! My Montauk had a 1977 Johnson 115 that lasted 13 years; the current (though underpowered ) 60 hp lasted 11 years. I have Johnson controls, cables and wiring harness. Bomb is a good company with a good record. Hopefully they are taking their time for the long haul.
lhg posted 10-11-2001 12:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Supposedly Bombardier is shipping it's first engine out of Wisconsin on Oct 15th. My assumption is that they have concentrated on the Ficht's first, such as 150HP range, one of the better OMC models. My guess is that to actually get an old style carb 2 stroke, it could be 6 months. Check with the Dealer network, but be sure you have some kind of a time committment on your deposit, or you could get strung out waiting and waiting.

Maybe you could find a good used one, if Johnson is your preference.

Eric posted 10-11-2001 01:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eric  Send Email to Eric     
you might find a leftover Johnson (or other brand if priced right) at a good price. A new engine in the box would come with the warranty, and the price would compare to a used one in many cases. I bought my 99 model 90 horse in June of 2000 for $4500. Look very carefully at the warranty claims, and shop around. I can see wanting to stay with Johnson due to the cost of controls/rigging. They're old technology for sure, but proven. Mine runs great, and is very fuel efficient for a V4 carbed engine.
Kelly posted 10-12-2001 11:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for Kelly  Send Email to Kelly     
I would not rule out the motors you listed due to cost too quickly. It is the end of the model year, we are moving out of boating season, things are slow, and I think in general, the demand for 2 stroke carb engines is on the decline and will continue. I would go to one or several of the dealers for motors you mentioned and make an offer with cash in hand. You might be surprized. It never hurts to ask. I wish I was as good at doing this as I am at recommending it. Kelly
bigz posted 10-12-2001 11:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
JimH -- Johnson has a decent website -- at least it doesn't take a half hour to open like Mercs. The Johnson's are to remain 2 stroke, very little change from this years models. Evinrude will be Ficht Ram injections, also only small refinements from this years.

LHG, your assumption is correct, Evinrude produced the first motor either at the end of Sept or first week Oct --- it was the Ficht 150 hp model -- on the new production line (shipping time frame could be as you say the 15th). Bombardier will be concentrating on the Ficht engines from 100 hp to 250 hp this Fall and then the smaller ones and the two strokes through the winter months. I believe I mentioned they will not be producing anything under 20hp.

Masbama, if you know exactly what you want I think my Bombardier dealer might have a 70 and 90 still in stock --- these would still carry the two year warranty as new engine. Though you would have to pay shipping from NJ -- if you want let me know and I'll see what they have and price with approx. ship to Al.
Tom

Bigshot posted 10-12-2001 02:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Guy in Miami had 2 new 2001 Yammie 90's on E-bay. Nobody bid and you could have had one(or both) for $4700 with free shipping. Do not rule out anything until you shop. You might find a 2000 leftover. Check E-bay and such. Call every dealer in your area,etc. I thought about the 01 but mine still runs strong.
jimh posted 10-12-2001 11:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Re website: Johnson does have a web site, and I do like its simple design and performance--much better than the Mercury Marine website, a bandwidth hog with too many stupid graphics and links that lead nowhere. I agree with bigz on that!

When OMC split the Evinrude/Johnson engine marketing into Ficht/Conventional, plenty of the Johnson folks complained they were getting sold short. Now it looks like they might have the brand with the least tarnish on it, if they can get some product into production. I wish them all the best. I grew up with a 5-HP Johnson, an old green one, and it would probably still be in the family today if it had not been stolen!

--jimh

TightPenny posted 10-15-2001 05:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for TightPenny  Send Email to TightPenny     
I still have a 10 hp green Johnson in my garage. It is a combination of a 1949, 1950, and 1952 engine due to being able to buy extra engines to make the repairs back in the 1960's and early 1970's.

The engine will still run, except that the tanks I have will not hold pressure, so I can't keep it running after starting. I have been hesitant to try it with the TCW-3 oil that I have, so it stays in the garage as a large memento of my youth.

bigz posted 10-16-2001 06:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
http://www.boating-industry.com/news.asp?mode=4&N_ID=26362

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