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cyriaque posted 10-11-2001 08:37 PM ET (US)   Profile for cyriaque   Send Email to cyriaque  
does anyone else have one? what do you power it with?
LKS posted 10-12-2001 08:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for LKS  Send Email to LKS     
Our '94 came with '92 15 hp Merc. Plenty of power for a light load. But with 2 adults on board, we're underpowered.
Highwater posted 10-12-2001 12:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Highwater    
My father has one. It is the dinghy on his 47' Chris Craft Commander, which—by the way—is for sale right now:

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/cafedj

His 11' is powered by a 25 hp Evinrude. I realize that this is technically overpowered by 5 horsepower (sorry JBC!), but it is perfect for our needs. It can get on a plane while pulling kids on a tube, and can get up a skier with two skis, although it cannot get up an adult on a slalom ski. It does not seem back-heavy or in any way dangerous to operate.

Bigshot posted 10-12-2001 01:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
The transom on those 11's are built to the hilt. I would personally put a 30 on it as long as it weighed the same as a 20. My bud had one with a 15 and it was quick but a dog out of the hole. If going for a 25 may as well check out 30's. FYI I have a whaler brochure with a 11 sportt with a 25 commercial I believe on the back. That is in the factory brochure, overpowered.
WantaWhale posted 10-12-2001 05:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for WantaWhale  Send Email to WantaWhale     
I have an 11 SS model with a Johnson 20.
It can be slow to plane and sometimes I help it by leaning over or even standing up. But once she is up she hits about 25-26mph (gps).
For rivers this is fine, but for open calm waters I would prefer 30-35mph. I have thought about converting or repowering to 25 or 30hp. Highwater, what is top speed of your Evinrude?
Highwater posted 10-13-2001 09:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for Highwater    
25 mph is the top speed with two adults on board. If I was going to repower and had sufficient funds, I would put a 30 hp short-shaft Honda on it (150 pounds).
Erik posted 10-14-2001 08:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for Erik    
I was thinkin about getting a 11' with a 30hp Nissan/Tohatsu. Powertech makes bowlift SS props for only Nissan/Tohatsu's 25 and 30hp. With one of thoughs you can do about anything and now worry about power. I wonder how a 11' would handle a bowliftin prop.-Erik
Highwater posted 10-14-2001 09:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Highwater    
I'd gladly sacrifice a few mph on the top end if I could have an engine that I could barely hear running at idle speed. If you have not done so already, you might want to check out the Honda.
cyriaque posted 10-14-2001 03:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for cyriaque  Send Email to cyriaque     
WoW! Y'all make me feel much better about the 18hp i bought last week. i had a 15 merc that broke and it just wasn't enough. the 18hp seems like it will be just fine for a couple of adults and some gear. great little boat to explore out of the way swamps and marshes here in La. bayou country and easy to handle alone. i love its stability.
WantaWhale posted 10-14-2001 09:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for WantaWhale  Send Email to WantaWhale     
HighWater:
Thanks for the info. The speed I quoted was for just me in the boat. With another large adult, its 21-22mph. With 190lb adult, its about 23mph. And yea, If I had to repower, I would go with Honda(unless I found a good deal on a Johnson 2 stroke) as I am sold on Honda. My family has several Honda motorcycles and cars.

But I just got some good news this afternoon that my motor is going to be ok, so I guess I will hold off on repowering for now.

WantaWhale posted 10-16-2001 02:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for WantaWhale  Send Email to WantaWhale     
I got my boat back last night. OMC went thru it and gave it a clean bill of health. They replaced the waterpump, fuel primer bulb, fixed the fast idle control, took carbs apart cleaned and adjusted richness (way too rich they said). Greased everything up and checked compression. 125 per side which they said is what a new engine would have so they know the engine has really low hours on it. The point of me mentioning all of this this is afterwards I asked about converting the engine to a 25 or 30hp since this is the same basic motor. They gave me a ball park figure of about $700.00 parts and labor to go to the 30. Said it would add about 8mph top speed.
It would be a true 30 model in every way except for the cowling :)

What do you guys think? Do you think it would be worth it? I now know I have a like new motor so it would be sometime before I repower. The downside they said would be mileage. Said the 30 drinks gas compared to the 20 because the extra power is gained by the carb .

Thanks and glad to have my baby back!

Highwater posted 10-16-2001 09:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for Highwater    
It depends on how much you think you need that extra speed/power. If it were my boat, I'd save the $700 or spend it on something else. Then—the next time you have to do a major repair—look into getting a Honda 30. Since you will be overpowering your boat, you will probably have to install it yourself, which means you may void Honda's warranty. On the other hand, installing it yourself gives you the option of buying it at a discount price. Odyssey sells a new Honda 30 for $3380, See http://www.outboardodyssey.com/honda.htm
WantaWhale posted 10-17-2001 03:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for WantaWhale  Send Email to WantaWhale     
Would a dealer really refuse to install it because of the extra 10 hp?? Are all these folks on this board installing their engines themselves?? For 3k I would
expect to have a warrenty or no sale.
Highwater posted 10-17-2001 03:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Highwater    
As for the installation, I think it depends on the dealer. While in Florida, we had a dealer install a new 25 hp Evinrude on our 11', but I cannot find a dealer in the NC area that will put a 50 hp Honda on my 13'. One dealer assured me that if I did it myself, Honda would not honor the warranty (he said that Johnson and Mercury would, but that Honda was different). On the other hand, the Odyssey website cited above says that all of the Hondas come with full warranty.
WantaWhale posted 10-17-2001 06:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for WantaWhale  Send Email to WantaWhale     
I asked 3 of my friends who are active boaters about overpowering. I asked them that with all the problems and publicity about jet skiers in our area, would the marine police hassle someone for an extra 5-10hp. All 3 said under certain situations, yes. They said I should just run the 20hp cowling and thats the end of the problem.
One of them has a 23ft Chris Craft cabin crusier and he has simply removed the capacity plate. Not because he is overpowered, but because it is only rated to carry 4 people, belive it or not.

I just want the boat to have enough power to be able to plan on its own without me having to stand up and lean over as this is not really safe in rough water. And a few extra MPH wouldn't hurt for escaping those spur of the moment summer thunderstorms...

Bigshot posted 10-18-2001 10:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Can't get blood from a stone. It is 11' long and designed for kids or a tender where speed is not a concern.
Taylor posted 10-18-2001 07:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
I'm fessing up... My dad had an 11 as a tender on his 50' Chris in the 80's. Great little boat, and fast fast fast. Hung it from davits. Also Dad weighed in at 250+ and mom must have been most of 200. We needed the capacity.

It was great to take it out on a day trip and get away from the mothership. You could go somewhere. Roche Harbour to Yellow Island (San Juan Islands, Washington State) - must be about 10 miles, not a normal day trip for your average dinghy.

Dad's had a 25 horse on it from the dealer, new. Dealer claimed that the engine had been 'detuned' to 20 to meet the capacity plate. I don't recall the make, probably an Evinrude, it was white. Apparently they did not make a 20.

Do you suppose it was really 'detuned'?

Highwater posted 10-18-2001 07:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Highwater    
If an 11' is not overpowered and it is carrying more than 400 pounds of people/gear plus another 100 pounds of battery and fuel, one person has to move all the way to the bow to get on a plane. If no one had to move to get on a plane, I would guess that the engine was not de-tuned.

The reason I would overpower an 11' Whaler is not so that I could go 25 or 30 mph; it is so that I could get on a plane without having to move my passenger to the bow.

WantaWhale posted 10-20-2001 12:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for WantaWhale  Send Email to WantaWhale     
Designed for kids? How many parents buy their kids a $8000.00 boat?

Well maybe ..My omc mechanic gave his son 18' proline type boat. Speaking of which, he test drove mine out in the gulf and said its a dryer boat than the '18 :)

Highwater posted 10-21-2001 09:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for Highwater    
I do not believe that many people bought their kids an 11' Whaler. But it was a kids' boat. Here is why:

In the 1970s, Chris Craft, Hatteras, and sometimes Bertram put the 11' Whaler on their 43–58' models as a dinghy, or tender. The adults would use the Whaler occaisionally, but typically they liked to stay on the mother ship and let the kids tool around the harbor in the dinghy. In many cases, the kids started to consider the Whaler to be "their boat." In this sense, it was a kids' boat.

SpeedyWhaler posted 10-21-2001 03:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for SpeedyWhaler  Send Email to SpeedyWhaler     
Hey guys, everyone seems to forget about the 9' tender! Im 17 years old and i have one with custom steering/throttle and 2001, 25HP merc. It's perfect for me as a tender/fishing boat or just to speed around in, top speed 37 MPH, yeah it's pretty fast and dangerous at times. Now theres somthin for yall to chat about, :)
Highwater posted 10-21-2001 05:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Highwater    
"Fast and dangerous" may sound cool to someone 17 years old, but it sounds foolish to me.

I think that all of the members of this forum would urge you to boat responsibly. By your own admission, your Whaler is dangerously overpowered. There is not much you can do about that now since you just installed the engine. Most Whaler owners are older than you and we need your help in providing good role models for your generation. Please don't brag about how fast your 9' boat will go—it was not designed to go fast. And please don't run at WOT if you have a passenger on board. If you kill yourself, that's not good. But if you kill your crew, that's even worse. Please don't take unncessary chances.

Thanks.

SpeedyWhaler posted 10-21-2001 08:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for SpeedyWhaler  Send Email to SpeedyWhaler     
I knew i would get a response like that, I am carefull, i dont take passengers, and only WOT in calm water.Its easy to keep control with the steering, unlike hand steer.
Highwater posted 10-21-2001 08:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Highwater    
Thanks, Speedywhaler.

Now that I have two daughers, I worry more about automobile and boating accidents than I did when I was your age. If you say you are safe, I believe you.

EasyE posted 10-21-2001 09:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for EasyE  Send Email to EasyE     
I had a 9' whaler with a 15hp merc(tiller steer) that was the most fun i ever had on a boat. It reached 29-30mph(per gps) with a stainless steel 10pitch prop, 27.5mph with stock aluminum 9p. I had a doel-fin but i took off cause it was robbing my speed. Instead i put stainless fixed trim tabs which where very effective while dancing at WOT.
As far as safty, I never felt unsafe in that boat. If i turn too hard it would just spin out, it never felt to flip. I say as long as you use common sense and not drive like a mad man your safe.-EasyE
SpeedyWhaler posted 10-21-2001 09:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for SpeedyWhaler  Send Email to SpeedyWhaler     
Wow EasyE, I had a 15 merc before the 25 and you are right on, 27.5 with factory aluminum, i looked all over for a stainless one to fit, but no luck, I was also thinking about trim tabs, they must really smooth the side to side walking out.
SpeedyWhaler posted 10-21-2001 10:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for SpeedyWhaler  Send Email to SpeedyWhaler     
EasyE, did you build the trim tabs your self? What size were they and how did you mount them?
Highwater posted 10-21-2001 10:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Highwater    
If you guys want to use the forum to discuss "Trim tabs on a 9' Whaler," you might want to start a new thread with that as the title. Other members who have an interest in the 9' would probably appreciate it.
WantaWhale posted 10-21-2001 11:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for WantaWhale  Send Email to WantaWhale     
Tell us more about the 9'. There is not much info on it (or the 11') on this site and I have never even seen a pic of one. What is max HP?
Bigshot posted 10-22-2001 11:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Kids boat? Did you NEVER read a BW catalog? They STRESS that the 11 and 13 were designed for kids.
Highwater posted 10-22-2001 12:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Highwater    
I think that Whaler's advertising department was trying to illustrate that the 11' and the 13' were so safe that you could send your 12-year-old children out in it. But that does not mean that Whaler was SRESSING it was a "kid boat." Some of the automotive magazines put bikini-clad, 20-year-old females on the hoods of the cars, but I don't see many young ladies driving the hot rods. The idea—if I'm not mistaken—is that if you buy this type of fast car the females will think you are a stud and will want to sit on your hood in a bathing suit, and if you buy an 11' or 13' Whaler you are being responsible because you are getting an unsinkable legend that can be operated safely by inexperienced boaters.

Bigshot, please don't convince me that the 13' is a "kids boat" because if you do I will have to sell mine and get that manly 15' you keep talking about :-)

Bigshot posted 10-22-2001 02:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Highwater...Not gonna do that at all. 13's are great rides as long as you don't live on Barnegat Bay(small craft is the norm it seems). I got a $600 13' when I was 12 and had to keep trading up from there because all the rich kids had 15 & 17's :)
WantaWhale posted 10-22-2001 03:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for WantaWhale  Send Email to WantaWhale     
Some people seem to think that the little whalers are just toys and nothing more. Well I have tested mine and know thats not the case. It's been in rough enough waters to prove itself to me. I took Friday off to take mine out in the gulf. I took it out in open waters and while it certiantly got bumpy, I stayed dry and never felt unsafe. Later that afternoon I took it in closer near a bridge leading to a resort Island. The water was not as rough here. That was about 3pm Friday afternoon. Well Saturday morning at about 7am, 2 people died in that exact spot when their 18' boat swamped because water came over the bow. I do not know what brand they had but I certainly know my toy boat could handle those waters and then some.
Bigshot posted 10-22-2001 04:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Without getting in deeper, they are not toys! But they are not transcontinental cruisers either. Just because your 11 is stable and dry does not mean it won't swamp. I have swamped a few and know many who have flipped them. Wear that kill teather and be careful out there.
WantaWhale posted 10-23-2001 10:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for WantaWhale  Send Email to WantaWhale     
Any boat can swamp if you want it too. What did you have to do to swamp it?
SpeedyWhaler posted 10-23-2001 12:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for SpeedyWhaler  Send Email to SpeedyWhaler     
If you do swamp a small whaler the water will drain out the back or you can just pull the plug while moving foward with a high bow and the water drains right out, even with a loaded boat this will work (ive experenced the many times with my 9')
Bigshot posted 10-23-2001 02:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
I am not preaching here guys, just making small talk. My point is just what you said, any boat can swamp(just make sure you and your passengers are still in it:). If people died in an 18' that is probably no place to be in an 11'under the same circumstances. I have done more crazy crap in small whalers than you can shake a stick at and some, looking back, I am VERY lucky to be here typing this(would not change a thing if I could though). A few examples, many more if interested:

(1) I was in a 11' with a 15hp jumping 6' breakers in Barnegat inlet when a sea Ray came over a wave while we were in the trough. All I saw was bottom paint and a wave knocking my glasses off. He saw us at the peak and cut the wheel and landed right next to us instead of on us.

(2)Jumped a 6-8 footer in my 13' as it started to curl(had no choice) and I went more than vertical. Landed on the transom, went under water(as in us in the seats) popped out and landed OK. Lost both tanks, had to get the tanks before we ran out of gas. The anchor fell out the front hatch and went right between me and my buddies head. Would have been messy getting clocked with an anchor and then flipping. Luckily neither happened.

(3) Got caught in a squall offshore and was riding in 5 footers until I hit the inlet. The waves then spaced apart and I stuffed the bow(17') Swamped the boat, blew out the windshield, lost the tackle box and rods. Pulled plug and nailed the gas went home and changed my underwear. By the way it was glass calm 2 hours before when I left.

I don't care what you do in your boat, trust me I have done more, but remember it is only 11'. One mistake(whether by you or not) and you are toast. If you drive crazy(like I sometimes do)make sure you know what you are doing, do not endanger others lives, keep a look out for 5-O(fines are steep) and don't EVER mess with mother nature. You want to know how to get jiggy in that 11', bring her on down to FL and see me:) Man I miss Barnegat inlet. If I were older I would swear Eazy-E was from my loins!

EasyE posted 10-23-2001 05:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for EasyE  Send Email to EasyE     
Ha ha..isnt your loins your butt

As far as swamping an 11', while out with my 9' I was going to "Da Snook" which was on the coast. We would climb up the rock about 40' then jump(another good rush).
Anyway as my girlfriend and i was getting there we saw my friend with his 11' whaler w/15hp yamaha coming from The Snook crawling at about 8mph. There was him, two other guys and three girls in his boat. The boat was so low that the waves was breakin over his bow and quickly filled the boat. Didnt matter that the plug was out for the waterline was like an inch below the railing.
So even with 6 people, 15hp yamaha, and 6 gallons of gas they still didnt sink. Now thats a Boston Whaler exclusive anybody disagree? (No, rubber rafts dount count thats not a boat thats a raft).-EasyE-

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