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Repowering 95,17 outrage
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posted 11-03-2001 02:28 PM ET (US)
Hello all, I have looked backed and read some on issues of repowering with different 4 stokes. I have been leaning towards 90 hp. honda. I have a 115 johnson now V4. Dealers say that the 90 prop thrust will be close to 115 due the the extra 100 pounds the 115 weighs. Anyone have a 17 outrage that has gone through this, and can shed some insight ? Also,can anyone tell me why whaler dropped the 17,18,19 outrage. Nice deep v.
I go several miles offshore no prob. Course
I have to pick the days at times .
posted 11-03-2001 03:45 PM ET (US)
The Honda 90 is 358 pounds, the Honda 115 is 458 pounds. There's the 100 pounds the dealer was talking about.
The 115 2 stroke that you've been running is a lot lighter than both of those engines. Don't let the dealer fool you. The Honda 90 is a heavy engine, and may not be enough power when that's factored into the decision. I've got a Johnson 90 V4 (99 model, 2 stroke, carb) that weighs about 315, the 115 horse engine is the same weight.
There are lighter 4 strokes out there, in addition an injected 2 stroke might be a consideration. The Evinrudes are back into production with the Fitch motors, and while they had some real problems with the technology early, I would have bought one if I had the money when I repowered. They are very efficient motors, if your consideration is fuel efficiency. Those Hondas are real pricey, and I have heard some complaints about corrosion in salt water. Yamaha makes a 100 horse 4 stroke, and Suzuki has been building some very good 4 strokes, some of which are marketed under other brands.
posted 11-04-2001 04:04 AM ET (US)
I agree. I don't think 90hp will be enough for that boat. My buddies 115 is barely enough.
posted 11-04-2001 09:22 AM ET (US)
Checked further on my current weight/specs. perhaps others have similar configurations and have gone through this. Because, to get the same displacement from a four stroke I am looking at adding 75 pounds (roughly) to the stern. I have no idea how that can effect things.
Whaler specs. say min. engine 90-max.150
Thank You, all........
posted 11-04-2001 08:39 PM ET (US)
Are you sure that is a 95/17ftOutrage?
I thought the 1700lb.Outrage17 came out
in 1996.I had a 97/17outrage with a 115
Johnson that performed ok.I admit there
was times I could have used a little more.
Have you considered putting another
posted 11-04-2001 10:33 PM ET (US)
Ed, Your right. It is a 96, the year they changed the style. And your right keeping controls and gauges the same would be easier.Thought though I would look at the 4 strokes. Actually, I have been reading and checking into options this week. The new
suzuki 140 4 stroke, weighs in pretty close to the 115 yamaha. And at least 80-90 pounds
less than the 115 Honda. WoW. I am learning. Actually the suzuki 140 may give me the little xtra speed that would be nice over my old johnson 115 oceanrunner. Still taking it all in though. Its going to be what I am going to live with for some years to come. I know nothing of Suzuki outboards.I am glad I have found this forum. And have read back a year or so. Nice to have learned of these other options. Nice
to see how weight and Horsepower is so important on this size boat. Thanks
posted 11-04-2001 11:15 PM ET (US)
Just repowered my 1973 19'4" Whaler with a 115 Yamaha 4 stroke.With a 19" Yamaha prop and a good load -3 men and 35 gallons of gas I got 38 mph WOT 5800rpm.As per Gps.
The motor is a screamer.It goes way beyond my expectations.I laugh at the gas pumps now.It appears I use at least a third less gas.
I replaced a 115 hp Evinrude 2 stroke and will never look back.
The Yamaha prop gives the hull great bowlift.
posted 11-05-2001 09:47 PM ET (US)
In my opinon some of these new motors
have not been tested in the field long
enough.(Both 2strokes & 4strokes)
I don't blame you for wanting the quiet,
smokless,smooth idle of the new 4strokes.
It's just you could almost buy two of
the old proven technology 2strokes for
the price of swapping out one of the
new techno motors and controls.
The way the advertising reads they are
the best thing since sliced bread.
I argue the facts of spending more
money on the 4strokes,but they are quiet
and they sure do idle smooth.
posted 11-14-2001 04:52 PM ET (US)
Ghost - we have about the same outfits - '96 17 Outrage with the 115 Johnson Ocean Ready engines. The engine weighs 320 - 336 lbs depending on the shaft length. In my opinion, the dealer is trying to sell you an engine. Frankly, the 4 cycles have to, by definition, weigh more than a 2 cycle engine.
Another point that I find interesting and notable - this summer I went to B.C. fishing and noticed that the majority (virtually every) commercial fishing guide was using the Johnson/Evinrude engines. Two were replacing Yamahas with Evinrudes - their reasons, -- "better power and less gas".
I find the 115 Johnson on the 17' Outrage is a good compromise - it gets me out there at about 25mph @ 4000 rpm and also comes down to a 2 mph trolling speed. And one also has to remember - I am up in the air about 4500 - 5000 feet. ---- Jerry / Idaho
posted 11-14-2001 04:57 PM ET (US)
Ghost questioned why BW dropped the 17, 18 and 19 Outrage boats. I have also questioned that and am perhaps a little disappointed in that I would have considered a 19. Hope someone can shed some light on BW's decision.
posted 11-14-2001 07:54 PM ET (US)
The boats were dropped because they were Reebock/Meridian era creations. When Brunswick took over, and assigned the company to the Sea Ray Division, the new folks wanted to design and build the boats THEIR way, which would naturally be better, not the previous design team's way. Since 1991, each new owner has believed they could build their better "mousetrap", improving on the predecessor's designs. So now, most Boston Whalers look like Sea Rays, especially the larger ones. If you don't believe me, compare a late 80's Sea Ray Laguna CC to the current crop of Outrages.
posted 11-14-2001 09:05 PM ET (US)
Ah, interesting . I don't like the changes.
posted 11-15-2001 12:57 AM ET (US)
I don't like the new designs either. And there were other things that I noticed during a tour of their facility in Edgewater in 1999 that caught my attention as well. In my opinion, they should go back to the previous products - provide the best design, the best built, the best value to the user and the safest boat made - and to forget about trying to cut corners, save a dime and sell it cheaper than the competition.
I am just a retired engineer - but I believe that people will reasonably pay for quality, pay for value and pay for safety.
Yes, I love my 17 Outrage - but, in view of my observations mentioned above and their design changes, I will look at other than Boston Whaler for the next one.
Hey - how did we get on this subject in the first place - oh yes - it was a discussion on repowering a 17 Outrage. We kinda got side-tracked.
posted 11-15-2001 06:14 AM ET (US)
In my original post I had also asked about what happened to the 17 outrage. I think this issue really deserves its own post. I was looking at new models, then learned the
smaller outrage was dropped. Personally, I dont like how the stern was lowered. My 95
is much higher in the back. I dont no because I am not an engineer either. But it appears they lowered it and put in a door. That is the sea ray style. You know these manufacturers buy up the other companys. They promise not to change anything. They raise the prices and cheapen them up. That is one of the reasons I decided to keep my 95 and repower as it is needed at this time.
I will enjoy it many more years to come.I guess they loose from me........
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