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george nagy posted 11-13-2001 02:34 PM ET (US)   Profile for george nagy   Send Email to george nagy  
Ok I have noticed from the poll on outboards that a few of you have suzuki. I am really consudering repowering the 18' outrage with a 140 4 stroke. I am doing all my homework and would like to know how suzuki rates with fellow whaler owners. I am particularly interested in info on 4strokes i.e fuel economy, durability, fit-finnish,quietness, reliability and etc... The 140 is built off the 115 and 90 platform so some of you may have them on your whalers. Any insight here would greatly be appreciated.

p.s. I did here that there was a corrosion issue on the lower unit housing .(fact or fiction)

Thanks again!

Bigshot posted 11-13-2001 03:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
George I had a 1981 zuki 140 on my old 74 revenge, no corrosion problems. My bud has a 2000 60hp zuki and (2)01 115's and they have been just fabulous. I would get one when my 90 goes but their 90 is TOO heavy compared to others. He paid $6700 for each 115 so I doubt the 140's will be more than $8k since they are "new"(yes I know what they list for).
JBCornwell posted 11-13-2001 04:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
I have a DF70 on my Montauk, George, and am seriously considering a DF140 for my OR18.

I have had nothing but sterling performance and behavior from the DF70.

The only question on the OR18 is whether it will get a DF115, a Yammy F115, or the DF140.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

ghost posted 11-13-2001 07:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for ghost    
Hi,
I am going to wait til January, February..The winter months.Last couple years Suzuki offered incentives such as free extended warranty. 6 year actually. Perhaps this year again ? With the recession here
who knows ? Maybe they will do other things as well to sell there product! If anyone has heard anything, plese let us know...........
gvisko posted 11-13-2001 08:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for gvisko  Send Email to gvisko     
i also have df70 efi runs great very very
quiet real happy with. it cost
me $ 7,500 i guess prices in north east
are higher then fl i also have 6 yr warrenty
i would wait to jan boat show thats when
it started last 2 yrs now. they call
it give me 6 lasted to 3-31
gvisko
flwhaler posted 11-13-2001 09:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for flwhaler  Send Email to flwhaler     
I have a suzuki samuri for a play/mud outings. I think the new 140 is the same block. I wouldn't think twice for owning one. That motor is undestructable! Building it for years and is still offered overseas
jimh posted 11-14-2001 08:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The 70-HP Suzuki 4-stroke with EFI is certainly an engine that has received a great deal of excellent endorsement in the boating press and from many owners.

This summer we had the pleasure of chatting with a fellow Whaler owner who had a Suzuki 70 on his 17-Montuak. He was completely enthusiastic about the engine. He was retired and lived aboard a 40-foot trawler, using the Whaler as a tender and fishing boat. The Suzuki was in use every day and performing perfectly.

Of course, you don't know if this same result will obtain in the 140-HP engine, but you'd like to think it would.

Bigshot posted 11-14-2001 10:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
FL the samurai block is 1.3L which is the same as the 60 & 70hp.

Gvisko I can get a 60hp for under $5k(did not price the 70). Worth driving to FL but I can't see that kind of demographic discrepancy. Not doubting your price but I lived in NJ and things are not that much more expensive up there, few hundred maybe.

outrage posted 11-14-2001 04:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for outrage  Send Email to outrage     
I have a 2001 50hp Suzuki on my 15' whaler. Absolutely love the engine. Very quiet, and fuel efficient. I intent to put a 140 Suzuki on my 21' outrage in the future.

Bigshot: What can you get a 140 Suzuki for where you are at? In Texas I am getting quotes around $9500. This price included binnical(sp) mount, stainless prop, and installation.

flwhaler posted 11-14-2001 05:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for flwhaler  Send Email to flwhaler     
Thanks for the clear up Bigshot. Bigshot, Samuri engine is rated at 80 h.p. right? Is 70/60 motor detuned and destroked? If so 1.3 liters be enough for 140 hp?

michael

JBCornwell posted 11-14-2001 06:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Ahoy, FLWhaler! The 1.3 liter engine is the DF60/70. The DF90/115 is 1.95 liters and the DF140 is the same block as the DF90/115 opened up to a little over 2 liters.

Don't worry about it being short on inches for 140 hp. Suzi can get over 200 hp from that block without sacrificing much reliability. But you would have to burn 92 octane in it and probably pay close to 20 big ones.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

gvisko posted 11-14-2001 06:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for gvisko  Send Email to gvisko     
bigshot i priced the three dealers on
long island they were all within
$200 of each other. for the
$7500 i received b mount tach staniless prop
the installation was $ another $ 400.00
let me know what the same thing gos fo in fl
might want to buy another for my other
boat gvisko
george nagy posted 11-14-2001 06:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for george nagy  Send Email to george nagy     
I'm soaking up all this info and getting closer, think it is time for a test drive.

Is that $7,500 for the 140?

george nagy posted 11-14-2001 06:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for george nagy  Send Email to george nagy     
Sorry I see you were talking about the 70. I'm slow haven't eaten yet.
Angryeel posted 11-14-2001 10:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Angryeel  Send Email to Angryeel     
I do not own one, but have spent a lot of hours on boats powered by 70 and 150 suzukis, from my experience they are very nice motors. Much less noisy than my merc and very smooth. They seem to have a good amount of power for the label rating. Never been in the boat and had a problem with them, and I have spent a fair amount of time on the two boats. The only ones I have any experience with are two strokes, but they seem like very nice motors.
george nagy posted 11-15-2001 02:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for george nagy  Send Email to george nagy     
Just heard from dealer that double warranty deals arn't legal in Florida. Can this be true?
Kim posted 11-18-2001 09:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for Kim  Send Email to Kim     
George Nagy the boat show is 1/05/02 weekend here in san diego. I will be able to let the group know then if suzuki will be offering the giveme six next year.
if they do it in calif. it should be good anywhere
kim
whaler1585 posted 11-28-2001 01:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for whaler1585  Send Email to whaler1585     
dont get a suzuki!!!!!!! they seem to be ok, but the yamaha is a superior product. lighter and more reliable. my friend had a 70 suzuki 40stroke on his 16' wahoo last summer and had nothing but trouble with that motor. 1st the fuel pump, then the efi. i work at a marina and havent seen one yamaha in for any kind of major repairs in 3 years!yamaha is the best. take a test drive and ditch the ugly heavy suzuki. just my 2 cents. if you have any questions email me dasmcar@aol.com.
\brandon
JBCornwell posted 11-28-2001 03:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Ahoy, 1585!

You've just heard from half a dozen or so very satisfied Suzi EFI DF70 owners. You quote one bad experience, second hand. What EFI Yammy 70 4 stroke are you referring to as lighter? I am not aware of any lightweight Yammy EFI 70 4 stroke.

What Yammy do propose as lighter than the 415# Suzi DF140?

I am negotiating for a 2000 F115 EFI Yammy that blew up and has a new power head. I want it anyway. It is the only warranty problem EFI Yammy 4 stroke I know of. If it was a Suzi DF115 EFI (4# heavier!!!) I would be just as interested.

Bad-mouthing a popular product can get you into a serious scrap around here.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

george nagy posted 11-28-2001 03:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for george nagy  Send Email to george nagy     
JB is that one of the twins? if so did they both blow? Why not keep the one that didn't or are you? do you have a montauk too? If you do and it has a 90hp I think it will be quicker and better handling than the 18' with that heavy 115.Maybe you can get a new powerhead for your 130.
JBCornwell posted 11-28-2001 04:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Hi, George. I guess my engine search(es) can be hard to keep up with.

I have a Suzi DF70 on my Montauk. She is very happy with it. Even if she wasn't, 412# is too many pounds and 115 is too many horses for a Montauk. She also has a 20" transom.

The Yammy mentioned above is the R engine from the pair I would like to buy and split. Oil pump failed (since recalled) and it has a new , 0-hour powerhead. The L engine has the new oil pump as well.

While I would repair the 130 Yammy V4 I have if I came on a bargain powerhead, I am going to put 4 stroke power on the Outrage 18.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

bigz posted 11-28-2001 05:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Primary problem experienced with Suzuki outboards in the past was corrosion. Fact not fiction. Shift shafts, drive shafts and lower units not to mention the cooling channels in the heads. This has a lot to do with where its run and how it's cared for.

Otherwise good dependable motors.

My guess for the past few years now with the extended warranties, they have this "little" problem solved. Then again I haven't read what is warranted!

Still put my money on Yamaha -- to each his own -- or as they say what ever tickles your gizzard ----- TZ

george nagy posted 11-28-2001 05:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for george nagy  Send Email to george nagy     
Jb are those the motors I posted a while back?
JBCornwell posted 11-28-2001 07:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
I don't know, George. They are listed in BTOL by Tuppens Marine of Lake Worth, FL. Are those your engines?

The salesman has told me several different stories (all incompatible with one another) about them, which I take with a grain of NaCL.

If they have another 15 mo. of warranty left, that matters.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

george nagy posted 11-29-2001 09:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for george nagy  Send Email to george nagy     
What a coincidence, That is where I bought my 18' a few years back. They were ok. I boat my boat as is of course. good luck anyway.
george nagy posted 11-29-2001 09:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for george nagy  Send Email to george nagy     
by the way how did you search for just engines on btol?
JBCornwell posted 11-29-2001 10:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
George, I looked at all of the "engine & accessories" ads (about 339) and flagged the ones of interest to a "saved boats" file. I think I ended up with 5 ads saved.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

orange crush posted 03-11-2005 01:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for orange crush  Send Email to orange crush     
i have a 15 1/2 whale (for the past 12 years) with a 30 yamaha. I know, way under powered!, but that's the way it happened back then and it has served me well. I just replaced the trouble free 30 yam with a 2000 df60. I read the above posts and just had to register and post on this topic. I never have had a major repair since i owned my hard work'n yammy 30. although,I have always done my regular maintenance. My boys are bigger now and time recently has become a factor, (oh the joys of getting old) Anyway, I will add my review of the suzuki compared to the yammy in a week or so! I read this forum often but never posted here before, thanks for the opportunity.
soon,
the crush
Chris M posted 03-17-2005 12:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chris M  Send Email to Chris M     
I have a 2005 200 HP Suzuki I bought in Orlando. 6 year warranty. I paid 12,000 out the door. Rigging, new control cables, wiring and Tach. I ran it the first time Wednesday, 65 miles burned 25 gallons od gas 1200lb load,24' cuddy cabin. I am really impressed with the engine so far. Only time will tell about the longevity of the motor.
LHG posted 03-17-2005 03:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
I am still trying to figure out why lower tech things made in America cost so much. We must be highly inefficient and overpaying our people in sales, mfg and exec staff, or have terrible production facilities. If we are going to survive as a nation, we had better get our act together. And WE have determined that the Japanese are not dumping outboard product on us, so that is not the problem.

I just received a quote on a 3.0 liter 200 2-star Optimax, also in FL, a much simpler and lighter weight two stroke DFI engine, also black, and with no rigging, no new control cables, no wiring and no new tach, and it was $12,100 out the door (for each one), including only sales tax. I believe an Evinrude E-tec 200 would be about the same as the Merc Optimax.

How in the world does Suzuki ship that 600# monster, dual overhead cam 4-stroke 3.6 liter, 3 star engine, with 16" dia SS prop, all the way to FL from Japan, and still have a local dealer selling it, completely rigged with accessories, for less money? Sure beats me.

Sheila posted 03-17-2005 08:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sheila  Send Email to Sheila     
Larry, I understood that the finding was that the Japanese were indeed "dumping," but that the practice wasn't harming US manufacturers.

Those conclusions don't make a lot of sense to me, but I didn't follow the issue closely like many of you here did.

jimh posted 03-17-2005 09:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
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