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masbama posted 12-27-2001 12:18 PM ET (US)   Profile for masbama   Send Email to masbama  
While leafing through my Jan. 2002 issue of Trailer Boats magazine, I noticed something.
On page 27 there is an ad for Triumph boats (used to be Logic) powered by Yamaha. On the back of the 17 foot boat is a Yamaha four stroke. The motor is partially obscured but you can plainly see that it is a 70 or 75 hp. Their 2002 line does not include this motor. Any inside info?
Kelly posted 12-27-2001 04:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Kelly  Send Email to Kelly     
I got my issue yesterday but have not looked at it. I hope you are right. Thanks for the heads up. Maybe they will have something at the boat shows. Atlanta's is in the first week of January. Even though they show the 60 hp 4 stroke in the brochure, I have not seen one or talked to a dealer that has one. That would be interesting if they started delivering the 70 at about the same time as the 60. If it is under 300 lbs, 260 would be better, it would be a great motor for my boat. Kelly
FISHNFF posted 12-27-2001 07:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for FISHNFF  Send Email to FISHNFF     
I just saw the ad and the motor looks to be the same motor as the previous F80. You can only see the "7" but it still looks to be the same size as the present 80/100. Just my observations.
FISHNFF posted 12-27-2001 07:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for FISHNFF  Send Email to FISHNFF     
Another interesting note in the same issue. The Suzuki ad shows all the affiliated boat companies using their engines, including Triumph (formerly Logic. Go a few more pages to the Triumph ad and see they are packaging Yamaha's!
jimh posted 12-27-2001 08:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
To my eye that photograph looks composited: the engine was not on the boat when the picture was taken.

The size looks wrong: too big.

The light source looks wrong: light appears to be coming from front of engine while fishermen are strongly backlighted.

The cowling texture is wrong: odd smudge line on cowling and dramatic shift in finish from glossy to matte.


Kelly posted 12-28-2001 12:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Kelly  Send Email to Kelly     
I think Jim is right, reflection on side of engine appears to be a dock with piers, does not fit with the rest of the picture. However, that is definately a "7". Hope it is for a "new" 70 something 4 stroke, not just a detuned 80/100. Kelly
lhg posted 01-05-2002 05:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Yamaha 2002 catalog only shows an F60 (new this year) & F80.
Mercury sells the Yamaha F80 as a 75, and for less money. They are a joint venture powerhead, probably actually putting out something in between.

It's not likely that either of these companies would make an engine in between these two relatively close sizes of 60 & 75/80.

My guess is that both of these companies will soon be replacing these carburated 75/80's and 90/100's with their own EFI models.

Kelly posted 01-05-2002 05:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Kelly  Send Email to Kelly     
I asked the guys at the Yamaha booth at the boat show, and they said as far as they know there is not a 70 or 75 ready. They said that advertisers sometimes switch things around on the pictures. I wonder if the ad company graphically stuck the 80 hp motor on the boat and then someone realized that it was only rated for a 70. Anyway, the Yamaha guys also said that they don't really find out about the new motors until the manufacture in Japan is ready to start selling them, so they don't know what is in the design or development stage. Kelly
jimh posted 01-06-2002 08:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
As I mentioned above, I think this image has been composited from two or more images. This seems especially likely in that the creator of the ad is the boat company. They may have just formed a new marketing arrangement with the engine company, making a photo they had prepared for this ad layout inappropriate, i.e., they had another brand of engine on the transom.

These days you don't re-schedule the photo shoot, you just use PHOTOSHOP. The graphic artist cuts out the old engine and drops in a new one.

Compositing of photographs is done all the time now, often with little regard for ethics. There was a recent publication of very fancy, glossy nature photographs by a well-known photographer. This book became rather controversial when it was discovered that images had been drastically composited.

For example, a picture showing a herd of wild zebras running across an African plain was determined to only contain 14 different animals. The entire herd had been composited and positioned using digital photographic manipulation. It was totally transparent to all but the most precise examination of the photograph.

lhg posted 01-06-2002 05:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Let us not forget that we now regularly see "live" dinosaurs running and flying all over the landscape on the Discovery channel and "Jurassic Park". Don't forget all those "rigged" pictures of the Loch Ness monster and flying saucers.

And our webmaster is getting pretty good at it also! He has a picture of the transom of my 25 outrage that looks like it's flying through space! So I guess we can't trust our eyes any longer with all this new technology.
But the idea that a picture is a true representation of reality, as we all WANT to believe, is a concept that will take a while to die. So we remain available to be taken in for the meantime!

JohnAz posted 01-06-2002 06:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for JohnAz  Send Email to JohnAz     
Jan. Trailer Boats page 32 shows a Scout 220 running with a Yamaha,,,but what is the thing draging in the water on the starboard transom,,,,

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