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bwmenemsha posted 02-20-2002 10:51 PM ET (US)
i have seen numerous posts about the right motor...omc vs merc vs yamaha usually but not much of anything on the nissan motor...as some of you know i am trying to redo a menemsha that came w/o power....i just got a line on a great looking and sounding 90 h/p nissan (1993) with 60 hrs on meter that was traded in for a honda 4 stroke...i also am on the verge of grabbing a rebuilt omc 90 h/p (84)....my boat is rated for 100 h/p so no problem there but which one....with all things equal...the omc will have a 30 day warranty, controls but no gauges...costs after rebuild...$2800...nissan will have controls and gauges...cost hmmm abt 3600....the weight diff is abt 75# higher for the omc....there is a lot more dealership support here for omc...but nissan has a foot in door and has a lot of items in stock....i do not go too far offshore and not big on speed but like to feel the torque when coming out of hole....i am more concerned abt reliability than anything....any and all comments appreciatted
tabasco posted 02-20-2002 11:09 PM ET (US)
Maybe consider new.........check out this site. Great prices and they ship.
WWW.edsmarinesuperstore.com
bwmenemsha posted 02-21-2002 08:15 AM ET (US)
thanks tabasco...those are some of the best prices i have seen anywhere but still a little out of my reach...any comments appreciated
SuburbanBoy posted 02-21-2002 11:39 AM ET (US)
I have a 2000 Tohatsu 70hp, a 3-cylinder 250-pound outboard. I purchased new for about $4,300. It has oil injection and many other bells and whistles. Is is the smaller sister to the 90hp 3 cylinder. Tohatsu is the same as Nissan. Their web sites have copies of their owner’s manuals and most of the accessories are shown in photographs. I am satisfied to date, no problems. Both the 70 and 90 have larger lower units (Merc speak is "Bigfoot" if I am correct), and are claimed to be "heavy duty" type gear cases. My props accept Mercury hardware, and I have heard that Mercury and Tohatsu/Nissan work together on numerous projects. The result of their synergy is that the smaller engines in the Mercury line are rebadged T/N's and they appear to share technology on their larger Optimax/TLDI injected 2-strokes. T/N market 50, 70 and 90hp 3-cylinder TLDI injected motors, and the Optimax injected Mercury's continue the line with their first engine coming in with the 135hp V-6. Perhaps it is just luck, but they are both multiples of 3, perhaps allowing some overlap of design and manufacture.
The bottom line IMHO, I like the sound of a triple 2-stroke (hence my 70hp triple); T/N are claimed to be Japan's oldest outboard manufacture, starting in the 1950's; Tohatsu's and Nissan's are popular in other parts of the world; parts for T/N are available overnight via direct ship providing you purchase through a dealer; they appear to be proven designs; they also may be less expensive; but there may be some risk over the purchase of one of the market leaders (Merc, OMC, Yamaha, Honda) in areas where problems take lengthy times to manifest themselves (corrosion etc.); they seem to also be less expensive on the used market. I am quite happy with mine, and would buy it again.
sub
Salmon Tub posted 02-22-2002 01:28 PM ET (US)
I have been addicted to nissan Tohatsu for the past seven years. As a matter of fact I cant pass up a good used one, will buy it, then figure out how to put a hull under it. I recently bought a 90hp nissan for my Montalk. Top speed with 17" OEM prop is 42 mph. Can cruise all day at 3000 rpm with plenty of speed and better actual milage than what was spec'ed in a suzuki manual for their 4 stroke 90. I will admit, the 2 strokes do rumble a little at idle, but idle just as smooth (no roll) as other 2 strokes. They are simple, well made engines, very reliable. No bells and whistles. In any case, I swear by them.
Bigshot posted 02-23-2002 01:42 PM ET (US)
I just saw in Boating magazine a new 70hp Tohatsu with controls, prop, etc for $4275 I believe. I think it was that Douglas joint in Mass.
bwmenemsha posted 02-24-2002 08:53 AM ET (US)
thanks for the info....i had a few tohatsu s come into my view these past couple of weeks but i was a little skeptical of them as well as the nissan.......the biggest complaint i hear about them is the supply system...even a local dealer told me that he has a devil of time getting anything out of them...they dont appear to be customer oriented which is just a shame in this day and age....at any rate i walked into a great deal on a 90 h/p johnson that i could not refuse...thanx again all....bob
SuburbanBoy posted 02-24-2002 06:21 PM ET (US)
Many dealers would like to have you just provide them with a blank check and then leave. N/T parts are readily available, if someone picks up the phone and calls.
sub
Salmon Tub posted 02-25-2002 06:52 PM ET (US)
I still remember when I bought my little 18 Tohatsu, one of my buddies told me that I should have bought an evinrude because you can get parts for them at just about any marina. Well, I replied, I want a motor which doesn't require new parts every time I am at a marina. Since then, The only thing I have changed is the plugs. My buddy, on the other hand, has a 15 Evinrude, as a matter of fact, he carried another 15 evinrude in his trunk as a spare.

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Author	Topic: another motor question...nissan???
bwmenemsha	posted 02-20-2002 10:51 PM ET (US) i have seen numerous posts about the right motor...omc vs merc vs yamaha usually but not much of anything on the nissan motor...as some of you know i am trying to redo a menemsha that came w/o power....i just got a line on a great looking and sounding 90 h/p nissan (1993) with 60 hrs on meter that was traded in for a honda 4 stroke...i also am on the verge of grabbing a rebuilt omc 90 h/p (84)....my boat is rated for 100 h/p so no problem there but which one....with all things equal...the omc will have a 30 day warranty, controls but no gauges...costs after rebuild...$2800...nissan will have controls and gauges...cost hmmm abt 3600....the weight diff is abt 75# higher for the omc....there is a lot more dealership support here for omc...but nissan has a foot in door and has a lot of items in stock....i do not go too far offshore and not big on speed but like to feel the torque when coming out of hole....i am more concerned abt reliability than anything....any and all comments appreciatted
tabasco	posted 02-20-2002 11:09 PM ET (US) Maybe consider new.........check out this site. Great prices and they ship. WWW.edsmarinesuperstore.com
bwmenemsha	posted 02-21-2002 08:15 AM ET (US) thanks tabasco...those are some of the best prices i have seen anywhere but still a little out of my reach...any comments appreciated
SuburbanBoy	posted 02-21-2002 11:39 AM ET (US) I have a 2000 Tohatsu 70hp, a 3-cylinder 250-pound outboard. I purchased new for about $4,300. It has oil injection and many other bells and whistles. Is is the smaller sister to the 90hp 3 cylinder. Tohatsu is the same as Nissan. Their web sites have copies of their owner’s manuals and most of the accessories are shown in photographs. I am satisfied to date, no problems. Both the 70 and 90 have larger lower units (Merc speak is "Bigfoot" if I am correct), and are claimed to be "heavy duty" type gear cases. My props accept Mercury hardware, and I have heard that Mercury and Tohatsu/Nissan work together on numerous projects. The result of their synergy is that the smaller engines in the Mercury line are rebadged T/N's and they appear to share technology on their larger Optimax/TLDI injected 2-strokes. T/N market 50, 70 and 90hp 3-cylinder TLDI injected motors, and the Optimax injected Mercury's continue the line with their first engine coming in with the 135hp V-6. Perhaps it is just luck, but they are both multiples of 3, perhaps allowing some overlap of design and manufacture. The bottom line IMHO, I like the sound of a triple 2-stroke (hence my 70hp triple); T/N are claimed to be Japan's oldest outboard manufacture, starting in the 1950's; Tohatsu's and Nissan's are popular in other parts of the world; parts for T/N are available overnight via direct ship providing you purchase through a dealer; they appear to be proven designs; they also may be less expensive; but there may be some risk over the purchase of one of the market leaders (Merc, OMC, Yamaha, Honda) in areas where problems take lengthy times to manifest themselves (corrosion etc.); they seem to also be less expensive on the used market. I am quite happy with mine, and would buy it again. sub
Salmon Tub	posted 02-22-2002 01:28 PM ET (US) I have been addicted to nissan Tohatsu for the past seven years. As a matter of fact I cant pass up a good used one, will buy it, then figure out how to put a hull under it. I recently bought a 90hp nissan for my Montalk. Top speed with 17" OEM prop is 42 mph. Can cruise all day at 3000 rpm with plenty of speed and better actual milage than what was spec'ed in a suzuki manual for their 4 stroke 90. I will admit, the 2 strokes do rumble a little at idle, but idle just as smooth (no roll) as other 2 strokes. They are simple, well made engines, very reliable. No bells and whistles. In any case, I swear by them.
Bigshot	posted 02-23-2002 01:42 PM ET (US) I just saw in Boating magazine a new 70hp Tohatsu with controls, prop, etc for $4275 I believe. I think it was that Douglas joint in Mass.
bwmenemsha	posted 02-24-2002 08:53 AM ET (US) thanks for the info....i had a few tohatsu s come into my view these past couple of weeks but i was a little skeptical of them as well as the nissan.......the biggest complaint i hear about them is the supply system...even a local dealer told me that he has a devil of time getting anything out of them...they dont appear to be customer oriented which is just a shame in this day and age....at any rate i walked into a great deal on a 90 h/p johnson that i could not refuse...thanx again all....bob
SuburbanBoy	posted 02-24-2002 06:21 PM ET (US) Many dealers would like to have you just provide them with a blank check and then leave. N/T parts are readily available, if someone picks up the phone and calls. sub
Salmon Tub	posted 02-25-2002 06:52 PM ET (US) I still remember when I bought my little 18 Tohatsu, one of my buddies told me that I should have bought an evinrude because you can get parts for them at just about any marina. Well, I replied, I want a motor which doesn't require new parts every time I am at a marina. Since then, The only thing I have changed is the plugs. My buddy, on the other hand, has a 15 Evinrude, as a matter of fact, he carried another 15 evinrude in his trunk as a spare.