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whaler 5 posted 03-03-2002 01:32 PM ET (US)
I'm re-powering a 1980 22' Outrage and am looking at three used Yamaha outboards. One is a 1997 200 SWS with a 25" shaft for $5000.,the other is a 1996 225 SWS rebuilt powerhead with a 30" shaft for $4800., the other is a 1997 250 SWS with 400 hrs for $5600. My questions are: Which looks like the best deal? Will the 30" shaft work on my boat with or without a jack plate? What is the difference in 96 and 97 as far as fuel injection vs carb? What type of top speed would I see from the 200-250?
Thanks for any and all advice?
Bigshot posted 03-04-2002 10:20 AM ET (US)
30" is toobig if running a 25" now. The 250's I hear are real thirsty compared to a 225. If top end is not your biggest priority a 200 will be fine. 25hp anint that big of a deal. I would get a 200-225 no smaller.
kingfish posted 03-04-2002 11:12 AM ET (US)
Firstly, I'm assuming since you are asking a question about a jack plate with one of the motors, that your 22' is a notch-transom without a bracket currently. If my assumption is correct, be aware (if you are not already aware) that the 22' is rated for a maximum horsepower of 240. Making no judgements or pronouncements, just letting you know.
Secondly the 30" shaft 225 on a jack plate prabably would work, but would be a little unwieldy - Don McIntyre, one of our posters here did that I think on an older Outrage 21. He could give you some first-hand reactions if he reads your post. I would wonder what the cost would be to swap out lower units to a 25", if someone wanted a 30".
Thirdly, with a 225 you can expect performance in the range of 50 mph with a moderate load and everything set up properly, i.e., motor ht., motor trim, prop, etc. I would think a 200 would give you a perfectly acceptable level of performance, maybe not quite as quick to plane with a heavy load, and maybe not a 50 mph top end, although I'd think you could get 45 under the right conditions.
David Ratusnik posted 03-04-2002 02:21 PM ET (US)
Whaler 5- I run a Johnson 225 on my 22' OR 86 (with bracket) with 25" shaft. My friend on the next canal has clone 22' Johnson 200 (no bracket) 25" shaft. Both engines are older yet sport solid compression. They both fly. When I repower, the issue to me is going to be price first and the 25 horsepower difference second. I'll telll you a secret- a 200 will outrun a 225 if the 200 boat has trim tabs on it. The tabbed boat gets up much faster. Also, a tabbed 200 will out run a nontabbed 225 in chop. Yes a tabbed 225 will outrun a tabbed 200 by a bit under chop conditions or a couple miles of distance. It is my understanding that both horsepower motors regardless of manufacturer are based on the identical block. Good luck David
David Ratusnik posted 03-04-2002 02:31 PM ET (US)
I believe the standard 22' OR (80's) is constrained to 240hp. However, adding Whaler Drive/bracket allows one to go to 300hp. My opinion, but, the 250hp Whaler 5 mentions is just overkill (plus a gas hog) unless the boat is trimmed out with Whaler Drive/bracket plus the cuddy version. Then, you need the ponies and torque (go with twins). David
David Ratusnik posted 03-04-2002 03:56 PM ET (US)
Whaler 5- I will be in your position down the road so I am quite interested in your post.
I do not like your repowering position with the 3 Yamaha's. You can do better ie., get 225 hp, price, plus get the motor on the boat not expending more dollars. I recommend you try to beat the 200hp Yamaha price. '97 25" 200 @ $5K-good baseline. Forget the 30" shaft motor Forget the 250 motor- Wierd. The boat works best with 200 or 225 and 25" shaft. Unless you use the boat to make a living time is on your side- especially in the next couple months. I'd stir the pot telling many mechanics and marinas that you want a Yamaha 225 with 25" shaft. Alot of 4 stroke repowers are coming down the road as we head toward spring. Have cash in hand and jump on a low hour engine. Be careful of the hours on the engine. You might be better off with a rebuilt powerhead (fresh) done by competent people as opposed to a high hours engine. Pay for the engine on your boat. Plenty of engines will be coming off offshore twin set ups- remember you want the "right handed" engine. My .03. David
Bigshot posted 03-04-2002 04:04 PM ET (US)
for comparrison in local rag.....2000 200hp ox66? $6k OBO.
David Ratusnik posted 03-04-2002 04:41 PM ET (US)
Biggggss- I like the ask price on the 2000 200 you quote. Not bad. I'd like to buy a 225 when it comes off a boat at the marina and the guy with more money than brains is quickly dumping the twins. Grab both, putting the right hand on the Whaler, then selling off the more expensive left hand engine covering a significant portion of the repower. Dreaming??? David
Bigshot posted 03-04-2002 05:07 PM ET (US)
Anything is possible......heck I have a wife:)
David Ratusnik posted 03-04-2002 05:44 PM ET (US)
OoooooK- Have a warm and fuzzy. Love ya D
whaler 5 posted 03-04-2002 07:30 PM ET (US)
Thanks everyone for the advice. You guys are an excellent source for advice and I'm glad to be a part of this website.
Thanks again.

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Author	Topic: Yamaha advice
whaler 5	posted 03-03-2002 01:32 PM ET (US) I'm re-powering a 1980 22' Outrage and am looking at three used Yamaha outboards. One is a 1997 200 SWS with a 25" shaft for $5000.,the other is a 1996 225 SWS rebuilt powerhead with a 30" shaft for $4800., the other is a 1997 250 SWS with 400 hrs for $5600. My questions are: Which looks like the best deal? Will the 30" shaft work on my boat with or without a jack plate? What is the difference in 96 and 97 as far as fuel injection vs carb? What type of top speed would I see from the 200-250? Thanks for any and all advice?
Bigshot	posted 03-04-2002 10:20 AM ET (US) 30" is toobig if running a 25" now. The 250's I hear are real thirsty compared to a 225. If top end is not your biggest priority a 200 will be fine. 25hp anint that big of a deal. I would get a 200-225 no smaller.
kingfish	posted 03-04-2002 11:12 AM ET (US) Firstly, I'm assuming since you are asking a question about a jack plate with one of the motors, that your 22' is a notch-transom without a bracket currently. If my assumption is correct, be aware (if you are not already aware) that the 22' is rated for a maximum horsepower of 240. Making no judgements or pronouncements, just letting you know. Secondly the 30" shaft 225 on a jack plate prabably would work, but would be a little unwieldy - Don McIntyre, one of our posters here did that I think on an older Outrage 21. He could give you some first-hand reactions if he reads your post. I would wonder what the cost would be to swap out lower units to a 25", if someone wanted a 30". Thirdly, with a 225 you can expect performance in the range of 50 mph with a moderate load and everything set up properly, i.e., motor ht., motor trim, prop, etc. I would think a 200 would give you a perfectly acceptable level of performance, maybe not quite as quick to plane with a heavy load, and maybe not a 50 mph top end, although I'd think you could get 45 under the right conditions.
David Ratusnik	posted 03-04-2002 02:21 PM ET (US) Whaler 5- I run a Johnson 225 on my 22' OR 86 (with bracket) with 25" shaft. My friend on the next canal has clone 22' Johnson 200 (no bracket) 25" shaft. Both engines are older yet sport solid compression. They both fly. When I repower, the issue to me is going to be price first and the 25 horsepower difference second. I'll telll you a secret- a 200 will outrun a 225 if the 200 boat has trim tabs on it. The tabbed boat gets up much faster. Also, a tabbed 200 will out run a nontabbed 225 in chop. Yes a tabbed 225 will outrun a tabbed 200 by a bit under chop conditions or a couple miles of distance. It is my understanding that both horsepower motors regardless of manufacturer are based on the identical block. Good luck David
David Ratusnik	posted 03-04-2002 02:31 PM ET (US) I believe the standard 22' OR (80's) is constrained to 240hp. However, adding Whaler Drive/bracket allows one to go to 300hp. My opinion, but, the 250hp Whaler 5 mentions is just overkill (plus a gas hog) unless the boat is trimmed out with Whaler Drive/bracket plus the cuddy version. Then, you need the ponies and torque (go with twins). David
David Ratusnik	posted 03-04-2002 03:56 PM ET (US) Whaler 5- I will be in your position down the road so I am quite interested in your post. I do not like your repowering position with the 3 Yamaha's. You can do better ie., get 225 hp, price, plus get the motor on the boat not expending more dollars. I recommend you try to beat the 200hp Yamaha price. '97 25" 200 @ $5K-good baseline. Forget the 30" shaft motor Forget the 250 motor- Wierd. The boat works best with 200 or 225 and 25" shaft. Unless you use the boat to make a living time is on your side- especially in the next couple months. I'd stir the pot telling many mechanics and marinas that you want a Yamaha 225 with 25" shaft. Alot of 4 stroke repowers are coming down the road as we head toward spring. Have cash in hand and jump on a low hour engine. Be careful of the hours on the engine. You might be better off with a rebuilt powerhead (fresh) done by competent people as opposed to a high hours engine. Pay for the engine on your boat. Plenty of engines will be coming off offshore twin set ups- remember you want the "right handed" engine. My .03. David
Bigshot	posted 03-04-2002 04:04 PM ET (US) for comparrison in local rag.....2000 200hp ox66? $6k OBO.
David Ratusnik	posted 03-04-2002 04:41 PM ET (US) Biggggss- I like the ask price on the 2000 200 you quote. Not bad. I'd like to buy a 225 when it comes off a boat at the marina and the guy with more money than brains is quickly dumping the twins. Grab both, putting the right hand on the Whaler, then selling off the more expensive left hand engine covering a significant portion of the repower. Dreaming??? David
Bigshot	posted 03-04-2002 05:07 PM ET (US) Anything is possible......heck I have a wife:)
David Ratusnik	posted 03-04-2002 05:44 PM ET (US) OoooooK- Have a warm and fuzzy. Love ya D
whaler 5	posted 03-04-2002 07:30 PM ET (US) Thanks everyone for the advice. You guys are an excellent source for advice and I'm glad to be a part of this website. Thanks again.