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Landlocked posted 03-20-2002 04:45 PM ET (US)
Perhaps not the correct place for this topic but since its related to the repowering topic I already started here thought I'd continue.
Just got another call from BP with yet another "major problem" Seems the Morse controller is set up for Johnson. The cable is pulled when the lever is pushed forward. Merc needs to be the exact opposite.
My solution to the mechanic was to flip the contol 180 degrees in its slot. Thus correcting the problem.
Is this the solution or can someone provide another one. Surely the control is universal.
Ll.
Salmon Tub posted 03-20-2002 04:59 PM ET (US)
I had same problem with a Yamaha Binacle used with Nissan engine. After a brief disection, realized that those darn engineers built it so that if you flip one of the internal plates, it will work opposite. I imagine the morse control is the same. I have a side mount morse (universal) that works the the same inside.
Landlocked posted 03-20-2002 05:06 PM ET (US)
Talked to the mechanic - says there is not a way to do it. Don't kow - maby they are right. I have the original manual at home. I'll check it tonight. Told them to leave it alone and i'd fix it.
Live and learn.
Ll.
Tom W Clark posted 03-20-2002 05:13 PM ET (US)
Landlocked,
The Whaler "Standard Equipment and Accessory Parts Price List" I have from c. 1972 lists seperate parts or Morse Single Lever Contols for Johnson/Evinrude, Mercury and Bearcat/Chrysler. I suspect you will need a different control.
Landlocked posted 03-20-2002 05:20 PM ET (US)
Thanks for checking Tom. I'll double check the morse manual I have (Think its an MT-2). Considering how everthing else has gone with this deal, I'm not surprised. What's another 200 bucks.
Ll.
Dick posted 03-20-2002 05:36 PM ET (US)
I just checked the 2000 Morse book and the 2001 Teleflex book and all controls are universal. I can't help but think there is a way to make it work.
Tom
Is it possible that the controls in that parts book were not using 3300 cables with engine end adapters but were set up for OEM cables.
Landlocked posted 03-20-2002 05:41 PM ET (US)
Just called West Marine - They have an MT-3 in stock and they are holding it for me to pickup tomorrow. Told BassPro I'd pick the boat up as is.
The girl I spoke with said that she didn't show any different catalog numbers for merc or Johnson. So apparently they are now universal. Perhaps the one I have - 1977/78 vintage was not.
Ll.
Landlocked posted 03-20-2002 05:42 PM ET (US)
Oh yea, They were able to purchase engine end adapters for my cables so the engine end is finished. The problem is only on the controller end with push verses pull.
Ll.
Tom W Clark posted 03-20-2002 06:01 PM ET (US)
Like I said above, the different models of Morse controls were listed on a 1972 parts list. I suspect that the 1977/1978 vintage may be the same as this but the more contemporary models (like in the past 20 years) are universal.
Landlocked posted 03-20-2002 07:07 PM ET (US)
Read my initial post about flipping the control 180 and realized it made me sound like an idiot.... I was basing that recomendation on the statement the mechanic made that everything worked, it was just oposite. ie down is forward instead of the opposite. Turns out the guy that called me wasn't the one that had worked on it and didn't really understand the problem. Funny thing is, They tried flipping it!
Ll.
lhg posted 03-20-2002 07:25 PM ET (US)
That old Morse control is, of course, a classic beauty, but was designed in pre-power trim days. I like having the trim button on the control, so why not use the Mercury control and save the additional trim button panel and wiring? I think they're about $175 complete.
Landlocked posted 03-20-2002 07:31 PM ET (US)
I just like the look of the Morse Control and I'm used to it. I even bought stainless rimmed guages to match it and the wheel. Together it just has "that look" Can't really justify it, just like it. Already have the trim switch from my old motor installed in a teak pannel I put on the console and they are hooking to it.
The MT-3 control looks identical and if West is right will work with the Merc. Its a little Steep, 299.99 but in the big picture having just dropped almost 6k on a motor and install what's a little more to get what I want.
Ll.
lhg posted 03-20-2002 07:56 PM ET (US)
If you don't have to have that Morse control RIGHT NOW, call Shoreway Marine (in NJ) tomorrow morning and have one sent. 1-800-443-5408. Ask for their special order dept. It may take about 4 days to get it, but you'll save about a hundred bucks.
Nobody sells for more than West Marine!
Landlocked posted 03-20-2002 08:41 PM ET (US)
THANKS!
I'll call them in the morning. Judging from the current river stage here - It'll be about a week until the water goes down and the logs clear enough to even think about taking the new motor out.
I've said it before, but I love this site. No other place has such a great bunch of guys willing to take time to help folks they don't even know. I try to contribute when I can but no where near as much as many of you.
Perhaps others can learn from my stupid questions though... ha ha.
Ll.
Landlocked posted 03-20-2002 09:39 PM ET (US)
Hold the presses...
As I said somewhere before, the guy that had my boat kept everything. Every bill, every receipt, and every instruction manual. He gave them to me when I purchased the boat.
Buried deep in the pile are the installation instructions for a Morse model MT-2 control.
On page two it says:
Be sure the control head is correctly assembled for Push to open or Pull to open throttle operation as required.... See figure 4......" What follows are detailed instructions for reversing the way the lever operates. it only mentions throttle but I'm pretty sure that's the problem BP was talking about.
Looks like I won't be needing that new control after-all.
As an aside, I wouldn't have expected the BP guys to know how to do it. I'm sure they have never seen an old Morse before. I am, however, relatively sure that if they had picked up the phone and called them, instructions could have been faxed or e-mailed. This has been the problem with them throughout the install. If it doesn't plug up or snap together, it won't work. They call and say Uhh Mr. Catron, you have to have a new helm. or Mr. Catron the battery cables are too short, we have to order new ones from the factory. (in that instance I informed them that I had just installed brand new cables and it was really OK to splice to them. They were about twice the guage and quality of the factory cables. I told the guys to keep the boat as long as they needed to I was in no hurry and I wanted it done right.
I went by there yesterday "unexpected" (the first time I had been back since I dropped the boat off). Happened to arrive just as the technician was fitting the new bracket on the transom. Asked how they were going to fill the old holes - He said "Aww we'll just squirt some silicon in there." I specifically had asked the manager to make sure the transome was dowelled prior to the install.

I know, I know - I'm rambling. Long and short of it. Bass Pro hands down has the best prices on loose motors. Close to 1000 cheaper here. If I had it to do over again though, I'd have bought the motor there and taken it to a small marine shop willing to take the time necessary to install it. The BP install process is an assembly line. No time for personal attention or anything extra. Get em in, Get em out, and bill them.
Speaking of which, The estimated price was 340 for the install. Actual price will end up being somewhere in excess of 600. As I said.
Live and Learn.
Landlocked.
grandmufti posted 03-20-2002 10:22 PM ET (US)
Your Morse control is universal.I had to reverse mine when I went from OMC to Yamaha.Someone on this site emailed me the schematic and instructions.I have emailed them to you.Hope this helps.
Landlocked posted 03-20-2002 10:29 PM ET (US)
Thanks G,
They are coming through now - will take a while - still have a dial up connection here. It will be interesting to see how they compare with what I have here.
If you ever find yourself looking for info let me know and I'll go through my file.
Ll.
Landlocked posted 03-21-2002 02:59 PM ET (US)
Success!!!!!!!!!! Amazing what instructions do for you. The old Morse was universal and now works properly with the new Merc which is sitting happily in my driveway.
Thanks to all who helped. In the end looks like a pretty good job despite a few bumps in the road. They did dowell the transom but only coated the dowells with silicon and stuck them in the hole - I'm sure they were softwood dowells as well. I'll drill them out and replace them eventually. They also mounted the motor in the center hole (two holes showing) rather than the one I had requested. We'll see how she works.
Now, if the river will just go down, I'm back in business.
Ll.

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Author	Topic: Morse Controller
Landlocked	posted 03-20-2002 04:45 PM ET (US) Perhaps not the correct place for this topic but since its related to the repowering topic I already started here thought I'd continue. Just got another call from BP with yet another "major problem" Seems the Morse controller is set up for Johnson. The cable is pulled when the lever is pushed forward. Merc needs to be the exact opposite. My solution to the mechanic was to flip the contol 180 degrees in its slot. Thus correcting the problem. Is this the solution or can someone provide another one. Surely the control is universal. Ll.
Salmon Tub	posted 03-20-2002 04:59 PM ET (US) I had same problem with a Yamaha Binacle used with Nissan engine. After a brief disection, realized that those darn engineers built it so that if you flip one of the internal plates, it will work opposite. I imagine the morse control is the same. I have a side mount morse (universal) that works the the same inside.
Landlocked	posted 03-20-2002 05:06 PM ET (US) Talked to the mechanic - says there is not a way to do it. Don't kow - maby they are right. I have the original manual at home. I'll check it tonight. Told them to leave it alone and i'd fix it. Live and learn. Ll.
Tom W Clark	posted 03-20-2002 05:13 PM ET (US) Landlocked, The Whaler "Standard Equipment and Accessory Parts Price List" I have from c. 1972 lists seperate parts or Morse Single Lever Contols for Johnson/Evinrude, Mercury and Bearcat/Chrysler. I suspect you will need a different control.
Landlocked	posted 03-20-2002 05:20 PM ET (US) Thanks for checking Tom. I'll double check the morse manual I have (Think its an MT-2). Considering how everthing else has gone with this deal, I'm not surprised. What's another 200 bucks. Ll.
Dick	posted 03-20-2002 05:36 PM ET (US) I just checked the 2000 Morse book and the 2001 Teleflex book and all controls are universal. I can't help but think there is a way to make it work. Tom Is it possible that the controls in that parts book were not using 3300 cables with engine end adapters but were set up for OEM cables.
Landlocked	posted 03-20-2002 05:41 PM ET (US) Just called West Marine - They have an MT-3 in stock and they are holding it for me to pickup tomorrow. Told BassPro I'd pick the boat up as is. The girl I spoke with said that she didn't show any different catalog numbers for merc or Johnson. So apparently they are now universal. Perhaps the one I have - 1977/78 vintage was not. Ll.
Landlocked	posted 03-20-2002 05:42 PM ET (US) Oh yea, They were able to purchase engine end adapters for my cables so the engine end is finished. The problem is only on the controller end with push verses pull. Ll.
Tom W Clark	posted 03-20-2002 06:01 PM ET (US) Like I said above, the different models of Morse controls were listed on a 1972 parts list. I suspect that the 1977/1978 vintage may be the same as this but the more contemporary models (like in the past 20 years) are universal.
Landlocked	posted 03-20-2002 07:07 PM ET (US) Read my initial post about flipping the control 180 and realized it made me sound like an idiot.... I was basing that recomendation on the statement the mechanic made that everything worked, it was just oposite. ie down is forward instead of the opposite. Turns out the guy that called me wasn't the one that had worked on it and didn't really understand the problem. Funny thing is, They tried flipping it! Ll.
lhg	posted 03-20-2002 07:25 PM ET (US) That old Morse control is, of course, a classic beauty, but was designed in pre-power trim days. I like having the trim button on the control, so why not use the Mercury control and save the additional trim button panel and wiring? I think they're about $175 complete.
Landlocked	posted 03-20-2002 07:31 PM ET (US) I just like the look of the Morse Control and I'm used to it. I even bought stainless rimmed guages to match it and the wheel. Together it just has "that look" Can't really justify it, just like it. Already have the trim switch from my old motor installed in a teak pannel I put on the console and they are hooking to it. The MT-3 control looks identical and if West is right will work with the Merc. Its a little Steep, 299.99 but in the big picture having just dropped almost 6k on a motor and install what's a little more to get what I want. Ll.
lhg	posted 03-20-2002 07:56 PM ET (US) If you don't have to have that Morse control RIGHT NOW, call Shoreway Marine (in NJ) tomorrow morning and have one sent. 1-800-443-5408. Ask for their special order dept. It may take about 4 days to get it, but you'll save about a hundred bucks. Nobody sells for more than West Marine!
Landlocked	posted 03-20-2002 08:41 PM ET (US) THANKS! I'll call them in the morning. Judging from the current river stage here - It'll be about a week until the water goes down and the logs clear enough to even think about taking the new motor out. I've said it before, but I love this site. No other place has such a great bunch of guys willing to take time to help folks they don't even know. I try to contribute when I can but no where near as much as many of you. Perhaps others can learn from my stupid questions though... ha ha. Ll.
Landlocked	posted 03-20-2002 09:39 PM ET (US) Hold the presses... As I said somewhere before, the guy that had my boat kept everything. Every bill, every receipt, and every instruction manual. He gave them to me when I purchased the boat. Buried deep in the pile are the installation instructions for a Morse model MT-2 control. On page two it says: Be sure the control head is correctly assembled for Push to open or Pull to open throttle operation as required.... See figure 4......" What follows are detailed instructions for reversing the way the lever operates. it only mentions throttle but I'm pretty sure that's the problem BP was talking about. Looks like I won't be needing that new control after-all. As an aside, I wouldn't have expected the BP guys to know how to do it. I'm sure they have never seen an old Morse before. I am, however, relatively sure that if they had picked up the phone and called them, instructions could have been faxed or e-mailed. This has been the problem with them throughout the install. If it doesn't plug up or snap together, it won't work. They call and say Uhh Mr. Catron, you have to have a new helm. or Mr. Catron the battery cables are too short, we have to order new ones from the factory. (in that instance I informed them that I had just installed brand new cables and it was really OK to splice to them. They were about twice the guage and quality of the factory cables. I told the guys to keep the boat as long as they needed to I was in no hurry and I wanted it done right. I went by there yesterday "unexpected" (the first time I had been back since I dropped the boat off). Happened to arrive just as the technician was fitting the new bracket on the transom. Asked how they were going to fill the old holes - He said "Aww we'll just squirt some silicon in there." I specifically had asked the manager to make sure the transome was dowelled prior to the install. I know, I know - I'm rambling. Long and short of it. Bass Pro hands down has the best prices on loose motors. Close to 1000 cheaper here. If I had it to do over again though, I'd have bought the motor there and taken it to a small marine shop willing to take the time necessary to install it. The BP install process is an assembly line. No time for personal attention or anything extra. Get em in, Get em out, and bill them. Speaking of which, The estimated price was 340 for the install. Actual price will end up being somewhere in excess of 600. As I said. Live and Learn. Landlocked.
grandmufti	posted 03-20-2002 10:22 PM ET (US) Your Morse control is universal.I had to reverse mine when I went from OMC to Yamaha.Someone on this site emailed me the schematic and instructions.I have emailed them to you.Hope this helps.
Landlocked	posted 03-20-2002 10:29 PM ET (US) Thanks G, They are coming through now - will take a while - still have a dial up connection here. It will be interesting to see how they compare with what I have here. If you ever find yourself looking for info let me know and I'll go through my file. Ll.
Landlocked	posted 03-21-2002 02:59 PM ET (US) Success!!!!!!!!!! Amazing what instructions do for you. The old Morse was universal and now works properly with the new Merc which is sitting happily in my driveway. Thanks to all who helped. In the end looks like a pretty good job despite a few bumps in the road. They did dowell the transom but only coated the dowells with silicon and stuck them in the hole - I'm sure they were softwood dowells as well. I'll drill them out and replace them eventually. They also mounted the motor in the center hole (two holes showing) rather than the one I had requested. We'll see how she works. Now, if the river will just go down, I'm back in business. Ll.