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jimithing posted 03-23-2002 09:38 PM ET (US)   Profile for jimithing   Send Email to jimithing  
Finally got a 13. I recently found a deal on a 1999 in-box 2-stroke oil-injection Yamaha, a remote control model with a 20-inch shaft. As I understand it, [in 2002] Yamaha has discontinued this model in a remote with a 20-inch shaft, and offers it with tiller-only, which even makes it more attractive. Dealer wants $2800 with controls/cables included .I have to say that so far this is the best price I have seen on a non-current Yamaha outboard in my searches. Please tell me that I am right. Thanks to all in advance.
jimh posted 03-23-2002 11:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
That motor is three years old, already. I would be curious why it has not sold before.

Does it have power tilt and trim?
Does it have electric start?

PMUCCIOLO posted 03-24-2002 05:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    
I shall try to locate the site on the internet that sells Yamaha's cheap. They ship the engines also, as some dealers don't. If I can find it, I'll post it for you. I agree with jimh regarding the engine's being three years old already. Why is it still there?

Paul

maverick posted 03-24-2002 05:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for maverick  Send Email to maverick     
I don't think it's a killer deal given the year of motor. About 20 days ago I bought a new in box 1999 25 Johnson 15" shaft with alum. prop and fuel tank for $1875 at Summerville Marine in Summerville, SC. OMC controls / wiring was an extra $300. Included full warranty. Cash and carry. Great dealership, and a big place. I had contemplated putting a very good used Johnson 50 on my 13' but opted to go smaller since my kids would be prime operators. Been running it a lot, and is a super machine, very pleased with performance - about 30 mph. Put no feedback teleflex steering on it, too. When you check
around with dealers for prices and all, ask them if they have any "non-current" motors
- that's their lingo for new old stock. Regarding this Yammy, the reason it probably hasn't sold is that this [big?] dealer likely bought it at auction (maybe a tiny dealership had it and couldn't sell it). I believe that's the story with mine. Since mine was NEW with 1 yr WARRANTY, I rolled the dice, so far successfully. I'd try and haggle on the price though - $2800 seems high - maybe have him include installation and a stainless prop, etc. Mav
jimithing posted 03-24-2002 08:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimithing  Send Email to jimithing     
Jimh,

Sorry for not asking a question in the subject line.......

Motor was another dealers engine that this dealer bought due to bizness problems.......does not have T/T does have electric start....and does have a 2 year warranty

have found a 2001 C25 for $1999....but everything is extra and I fear it will not be enough power.....this yami fits the bill and is local...so shipping wont be a prob and tax ....at 2% here in Va on watercraft is something I can live with.

In the past I have had horrible problems with OMC's and I am reluctant to get another....the Yams have been very good to me....so far.....and if I am gonna spend 2 grand anyway might as well get what I know is proven.....

I will call that fella in SC though and see what he's got .....do you know if he sells yamahas as well? Thanks

jimithing posted 03-24-2002 08:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimithing  Send Email to jimithing     
The C25 I mentioned is a Johnson, BTW

Additionally, I checked the NADA site and looked up a 99 yamaha 30 and the value came in at $2600...without controls....so for what it is worth it seems that the price is fair. All comments are welcome on this, though. Thanks

jimh posted 03-24-2002 09:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I should have mentioned I changed the TOPIC line. I noticed that this post had not drawn any comments. Often there will be ten or more new postings or thread updates per day, so a new post topic can get lost rather quickly.

Sometimes a good TOPIC line helps, as FORUM readers are finding it too much of a task to read every posting.

I also prefer shorter topics that will help people searching for particular information. Something like the current thread TOPIC is better than "Is this a good deal?"

--jimh
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jimithing posted 03-24-2002 10:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimithing  Send Email to jimithing     
No problem and I agree....I will keep this in mind for future posts. Thanks

jimithing posted 03-25-2002 09:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimithing  Send Email to jimithing     
Maverick

That Johnson 25 you got in SC is it a 2 cyl or 3cyl, does it have electric start and oil injection? Thanks

Bigshot posted 03-25-2002 10:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
I can get a 2001 25hp Yamaha 4 stroke cheaper....but you already knew that from the last post.
jimithing posted 03-25-2002 10:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimithing  Send Email to jimithing     
Bigshot

they were available and at attractive pricing but not so much cheaper that it didnt make sense to bump up to larger HP even if it was a 2 stroke.

also almost every dealer I spoke with said the Yam 4 stroke 25 didnt not have the ooomph needed for say 2 200lbers in a 13. Whether that was cuz of weight or otherwise I do not know.....maybe the dealer wanted me to buy a current yer 30 at the higher price.

I would love to have a 4 stroke but the 2 stroke 30 with all the goodies at the price I found fits the bill.

Actually its because of your commentary, Bigshot, a couple of months ago that I went with a 30 and not a 40......the weight difference in the motors doesnt equal the benefit in HP, so I figured light, and lower HP was the way to go. Thanks for the help.

Bigshot posted 03-25-2002 02:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Great engine but $2800 seems high when a 25 2001 4 stroke is 300 less. Too late now. What happened with the De company and the Mercs?
jimithing posted 03-25-2002 02:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimithing  Send Email to jimithing     
Bigshot

no luck in the 20 inch shaft....too bad cuz they were well priced and it was 2600 for the motor and 200 for the controls....so may be a little high....but its what I was looking for and this engine in a remote with a 20 inch shaft is no longer available. Yamaha still makes them but only in a tiller shortshaft.

Bigshot posted 03-25-2002 02:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Man I can not find 20" shaft engines used around here. all I get is 15" which won't work on the 76. I have a 20" 9.9 but I do want to plane without running WOT. I can find new but I do not want to spend $1800 on a new 25hp.
jimithing posted 03-25-2002 02:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimithing  Send Email to jimithing     
Bigshot

you should buy my Force 35.......

Bigshot posted 03-25-2002 03:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Whoaa.....there goes a turnip truck:)

Might have just found one...headed out right now. 1985 Johnson 25hp LS manual start $500. Music to my ears....seeya!

jimithing posted 03-25-2002 03:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimithing  Send Email to jimithing     
Now that my friend sounds like a deal.....good luck.
PMUCCIOLO posted 03-26-2002 01:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    
I found the information!

I have no idea where these places are located, but they both ship.

Yamaha motors: (877) 412-6287. I was quoted a price of $3038 for the 40HP Yamaha (2002), $295 for deluxe side mount control box, $218.50 for Yamaha multi function gauge with built-in hourmeter, and $80 for all cables.

OMC motors: (561) 219-0508 or www.sundancemarineusa.com has 2002 Johnson 40HP advertised for $2799.

Both engines are remote, PT&T, oil injected (per the ads).

I hope that this helps!
Paul

maverick posted 03-26-2002 05:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for maverick  Send Email to maverick     
Jimi wrote: "That Johnson 25 you got in SC is it a 2 cyl or 3cyl, does it have electric start and oil injection?"

A: Jimi - Mine is a 2 cylinder, electric start, Model ESS 25. NO oil injection. I made a mistake on the year I told you - I got the title in the mail yesterday from the DNR - it is actually a year 2000, not a 99 as I mentioned. The $1875 price with tank and prop + $300 for controls and cables WAS correct, though. Summerville Marine in Summerville, SC - I assume it was a leftover??? or they purchased it at auction? It was called a "non-current", but was NEW and in the box. I installed myself. Piece of cake. Mav

Bigshot posted 03-26-2002 02:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Got the engine. It was actually a 1982 but freshwater and clean as a button. Can't wait to get the interior finished so I can raise some hell. I need one of those brackets to connect the cable steering to that engine, I'll talk to my mechanic tonight. I also need some cheesy side controls and cables. No battery needed....thank God for manual start.
jimithing posted 03-26-2002 08:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimithing  Send Email to jimithing     
Looks like everyone has made out well.....

I too am looking to get this 30 yam on the back of my 13.....cant wait

will pass all this info along to my friend who is also looking

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