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jimithing posted 05-14-2002 03:28 PM ET (US)   Profile for jimithing   Send Email to jimithing  
Looking for reliable yet affordable fixed mount GPS with an external antenna included. Needs to be a mapplotter. I know you folks have knowledge in this area.....any suggestions?
JBCornwell posted 05-14-2002 03:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Hi, Jimithing.

There is no other unit by anyone that is competitive with the Garmin 162 using BlueCharts or Fishing Hotspots.

It is the firmware (Mapsource) that makes it the unit of choice. many other units have good hardware.

You can spend a lot more money, but the best package will still be a Garmin.

Good luck.

Red sky at night. . .

jimithing posted 05-14-2002 04:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimithing  Send Email to jimithing     
Thanks for the input. That is the unit I continue to come back to in my research. Seems it is very reliable and accurate for the price. One thing though, the antenna is included and not extra, right?

Jerry Townsend posted 05-14-2002 05:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jerry Townsend  Send Email to Jerry Townsend     
Jimithing - I am in the same 'boat' as yourself - and have looked at several brands/units including the Garmin 182, the Raytheon 320 and the Standard Horizon CP160 in conjunction with my use and the available maps. I am in the state of Idaho and sometimes get up around Seattle and British Columbia.

I found that the fishing hot spots does not include anything west of about Kansas. The President of Fishing Hot Spots could not give me any indication as to when they would cover Idaho. The BlueChart maps do not cover BC (as I understand). Therefore, there is no benefit to Garmin equipment for me. However, I still use the Garmin 48 for hunting activities. The C-Map NT maps cover each state and also provides coverage of Canada. I like Raytheon equipment, however the resolution on their 320 unit is not as good as many others. Consequently, I am settling on the Standard Horizon CP160 for several reasons - 6" diagonal display, incorporates 5 programmable soft-keys that allows the user to be one button away from a favorite display, uses the C-Map NT maps which are based on NOAA and USGS maps, their warranty/flat-rate service provision and a bit cheaper ($600 for the GPS/Chartplotter + $100 for each map). The external mushroom antenna is included with the S/H CP160 and also the Garmin 182.

Now, having said all of that, when I asked a related question of the forum a short time ago, I found that the majority of responders were using Garmin GPS units - and they have a wealth of information and experience. But I also notice that the majority (by far) of GPS units/systems use the C-Map NT maps. There are a few that are using NOAA micro maps. Garmin is the only one using the BlueChart maps. ---- Jerry/Idaho

OutrageMan posted 05-14-2002 05:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for OutrageMan  Send Email to OutrageMan     
I can not more emphatically suggest the CP150 or CP 160 by Standard Horizon. I have owned both. The 160 allows for two C-MAP NT cartridges, and has buttons along the bottom of the screen for quick access to common funtions. The 150 has a slightly smaller screen, no quick access buttons and one card slot.

Both come with external antenna and both are WAAS receivers with no extra equipment or firmware needed.

Both have screens that are very readable in sunlight.

Currently at West Marine the 160 is $599, the 150 is $399 and both can be had in color if you want to pay the extra $.

Do yourself a favor and check these out before you purchase.


PMUCCIOLO posted 05-14-2002 07:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    

I'd suggest consulting Chuck (Triblet) on this website. His knowlege of electronics seems to be extensive. Others here have extensive knowlege, too, but his suggestions for me were right on the mark.


mbking1 posted 05-14-2002 08:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for mbking1  Send Email to mbking1     
Just got the Garmin 168. Love it. Still learning its features. Mark
SeaHag posted 05-14-2002 11:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for SeaHag  Send Email to SeaHag     
I saw this on Boaters World and am curious about the "Experts Opinion" on this unit. Any feedback is appreciated. Its a Garmin 225, discontinued, and $1200 off. (NO bluecharts though.

[I deleted the ridiculously long URI (which was screwing up the page display of this thread) because it basically lead to nothing. When you followed the URI, it took you to a page with adds for ten different products. There is no problem with links to offsite resources, they just need to go somewhere, not off into oblivion.--jimh]

jimh posted 05-15-2002 12:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
That URI is longer than the source code for the GPS engine.
triblet posted 05-15-2002 02:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
Mapsource is not firmware, but rather
software. Firmware would run in the GPS
itself, Mapsource is a tool that runs in you
PC upload and download maps, waypoints, and
routes. That said, it's pretty good at
doing that.

I've got a 162 with BlueCharts and Topo
sheets (for inland lakes). It's fine for
running along, but when I'm trying to drop
the anchor in a 15' square patch of sand
at a dive site, it will run for a couple
of seconds, then clear the screen and take
13 seconds repaint the darn depth contour
shading, then run for two seconds and repeat.
I turn the BlueCharts off when I'm trying to
nail a dive site. The 162 is about 3/4 of
a generation behind today's stuff.

The Garmin 225 is obsolete. Old chart format,
no WAAS. A really nice unit in its day
(four years ago), but a full two generations
old. I suspect Garmin got stuck with a
bunch in the warehouse.

If I were buying a GPS today, I'd look at
the Garmins and the Standards. Figure out
how much you want to pay, look at the specs,
and the price, and buy.

I would not, however, buy a high-end unit
like the Garmin 2006/2010. They are way
overpriced and reflect year 2000 LCD prices.
LCD prices have crashed, and by and by someone
will start a GPS price war and the 2006C
(which is $2K today) will be $700. I'm
guessing this will happen the winter of
2003/2004. In a few years we are going to
have some way cool GPSs. Big screens, low
cost, lots of smarts about navigation.

If I won the lotto today, and bought a
Defiance, it would have one of the IBM nine
megapixel screens ($10K for the display)
as the chart plotter. ;-).

I don't play the Lotto, however.



reelescape1 posted 05-15-2002 08:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for reelescape1  Send Email to reelescape1     
I have the Garmin 182 with Bluechart and love it. A friend has the 2006, If I had room thats the one to get!!!
where2 posted 05-15-2002 01:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for where2  Send Email to where2     
You're about a week late. Last week, Boater's World had a handful of CP160 Refurbished units with full 3 year factory warranty! for $299 each. Mine arrived Monday via UPS. I like the connector in the mount bracket over the plug-in wire used on the CP150. However, I'll probably trade Dad the 160 for his 150 since I've only got a 15' Sport. I'd like to thank "John from Madison CT" for posting a link for this incredible price on the 160 over on the Marketplace forum.
Taylor posted 05-15-2002 01:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
Doesn't anyone use paper charts and a compass any more?
humboldt jim posted 05-15-2002 04:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for humboldt jim  Send Email to humboldt jim     
Yes Taylor, the guy I towed in last year in pea soup fog. 'nuff said
jimithing posted 05-17-2002 12:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimithing  Send Email to jimithing     
all great responses....many thanks!
BillD posted 05-17-2002 02:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for BillD  Send Email to BillD     
Take a look at the Garmin 176. It can be fixed mounted, runs on batteries or direct power, has waas, and can take the Blue Charts in the individual chips or the downloadable versions from your PC. The antena is attached but can be removed for better reception. Also because it also runs n batteries you can take it in the car or over to a buddy's boat very easily. It also comes in color for an extra $100 if you like.
jimh posted 05-17-2002 11:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
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lae posted 05-18-2002 02:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for lae  Send Email to lae     
It is obvious to me reading this post that I really need to get to bigger water that I am used to. My use of the Garmin GPS3 is limited to marking fishing holes and finding the middle of the river in the big boat in the fog.

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