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pwitort posted 07-20-2002 06:49 AM ET (US)   Profile for pwitort   Send Email to pwitort  
I would appreciate getting recommendations for a kicker motor for my 1986 18 Outrage. I am leaning toward a 9.9 hp, possibly a Yamaha 4stroke 9.9.
It appears that a prior owner did a direct transom mount (no swinging arm). I would like to know if I will need the long shaft version or the standard 'short' shaft. Also, are there known models of 9.9hp's that dont fit on the Whaler because of interference with the main motor? (I have a 150hp Yamaha).

Thanks,
Paul

jimp posted 07-20-2002 11:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimp  Send Email to jimp     
pwitort -

Not a complete answer. I used a 6 hp with a bracket on my Montauk (engine weighed roughly 60 lbs). Top speed was 5+ knots.

On my current 1990 Revenge 22, I have a 9.9 Yamaha 4-stroke, hi-thrust long shaft, electric start, mounted on the port side. Engine weighs about 100 lbs. It has its own separate battery. Top speed 5+ knots.

My guess is that a Yamaha 8, long shaft would work fine. But wait for another 18 Outrage, or somebody more familiar with it to let you know.

JimP

Tom W Clark posted 07-22-2002 12:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Paul,,

I used to own an Outrage 18 with a 150 Johnson and had a 15 hp Johnson two stoke, a 9.9 hp Johnson two stoke, a Yamaha 8 hp two stroke, and an Evinrude 8 hp four stroke on it at different times. All these motors were perfectly adequate. There was no advantage to having the 15 as it was the same as the 9.9 at the slow trolling speeds the motor was used at. I think even a 6 hp would be OK.

The 9.9 Yamaha four stroke is a great motor. It also comes in the high thrust version which is appropriate in this application. Many 18' Whalers have this motor on them.

You should clamp the kicker directly onto the transom for strength and convenience. I had both motors connected with a tie bar that worked no matter which motor was up or down. While there was not a lot of space between them, the motors did not interfere with one another regardless of which way the wheel was turned.

Be sure to verify this when you install. Check clearance with the motors up and down and turned in opposing directions as well as the same direction.

Yes, you need a 20" shaft motor.

pwitort posted 06-03-2004 07:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for pwitort  Send Email to pwitort     
On my 1987 18' outrage I measured from the top of the transom to the bottom of the boat... this was about 25". I thought that this would be the outboard shaft length I would need. However, I am told that a 20" shaft is the right size for that model....help! which is right?
Gep posted 06-03-2004 08:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
pwitort,
Tom Clark gave you all of the answers.

If you have a single engine you need a 25" shaft, if you have twin engines you need 20" shafts.

For a kicker need a 20" shaft.

Mike

elaelap posted 06-03-2004 11:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
My 8 hp Yamaha 2/s kicker (20") works fine with an OR 18. A prior owner had it mounted on a bracket, but I agree with Tom Clark--it's much simpler to lower and raise, steadier and more secure mounted directly on the transom. I haven't hooked up a connecting rod yet--it's on my list--but in smooth water I can steer with the main motor as a rudder and the kicker pointed directly aft...doubt this will work as well bouncing around in lumpy seas, however, and the boat has to fight its way slowly 'tacking' through headwinds without the kicker motor turning along with the 'rudder.'

My dealer tried to interest me in a nifty 9.9 hp Yamaha 4/s with trim & tilt, but he wanted around $4000 and I decided to save my marriage instead. That motor seems the perfect way to go for all you plutocrats and single guys/gals out there.

While we're at it, how 'bout some advice on which connecting rod set-up is best, please.

Tony

andygere posted 06-03-2004 11:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Get the Panther Marine tie bar in stainless steel. It mounts in front of the motors, works great and is completely adjustable to just about any set up. I purchased my Panther tie bar at Cabela's, around $50.
Joe Kriz posted 06-03-2004 02:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
Here is the item I believe Andy is referring to.

Auxiliary Engine Tie Bar

I have this same unit on my Outrage and it works great. There are many different ways to hook it up but I chose to mount it directly to the steering arms of each motor.

www.sisqtel.net/~jkriz/Outrage/tie-bar-mounted.jpg

The Rod can be bent if necessary and it is easily taken off with the quick connect fittings. Takes less then 10 seconds to remove it if you need or want to. I have no need to remove mine as I can raise or lower the kicker while it remains attached.

jimh posted 06-04-2004 09:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
[The most recent additions to this thread were made two years after it began. A glitch in the software shows the dates with the wrong year.]
elaelap posted 06-04-2004 11:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
Thanks for that, Andy and Joe. I just ordered one from Cabela's in stainless, fifty-six bucks and change including shipping.
whalerdoc posted 06-06-2004 08:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerdoc  Send Email to whalerdoc     
Well, this is an old thread and I am hoping some might see this tagged on the end - I think jimh (godbless'im) might have a tizzy if I started a NEW thread - but has anyone had any experience with the new Nissan 9.8 four stroke as a kicker? I am probably going to start the re-powering of my '85 18' Outrage this summer with the kicker (main can wait, I hope) and have been strongly considering the Nissan. At ~83 pounds (15" shaft, 20" is probably 3 pounds more) this is by far the lightest 10 horse four stroker. In fact, it probably only weights 20 pounds more than the old 2 stroke Johnson 8 I have on there now. At about $1600 from fold-a-boat, it seems pretty reasonable. I have heard good things about Nissan in general, and it looks to have a fairly small powerhead (key because of huge original johny 150...) Anyhow, any reports of experience with this engine (will the bracket open wide enough for the outrage transom?) would be greatly appreciated...also, this engine is primarily a trolling motor, as the boat is a great lakes salmon boat...
WD
seasicknes posted 06-07-2004 10:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for seasicknes    
posted dates are odd on all these threads.

Paul, directly connect the kicker motor directly on the backend of the transom. No need for a bracket.

*Did f&g give you a hard time last season about crabbing ?

pwitort posted 07-12-2005 03:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for pwitort  Send Email to pwitort     

just saw this now, ... a year late :)

"*Did f&g give you a hard time last season about crabbing ?
"
LOL

... sounds like someone has been digging into my past life :) Thats a whole separate, funny, frustrating tale best told at a campfire with plenty of suds in hand :)


paul

seasicknes posted 07-12-2005 10:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for seasicknes    
Fish and Game warden did not give me a hard time last season on crabbing. How ever a couple years back we had a warden that was young and cocky.

My experience tells me that the older fish and game wardens are much easier going. The new ones are such a pain.

pwitort posted 07-30-2005 10:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for pwitort  Send Email to pwitort     
For those of you who have used the Panther tie bar from Cableas (mentioned above), does this work with the hydraulic steering setup? I just installed Teleflex seastar hydraulic steering with the 5345 cylinder ( i think) and will be replacing the cylinder with the 5342 ( i think)... or vice versa (both cylinders were used and one of those is the preferred -newer- design). I will be trying to use the latest one.
So, does anyone have experience with hooking up a BF150 honda with a Yamaha 9.9hp 4 stroke with any tie bar? The honda engine design does not lend itself easily to the ezsteer bracket (connecting rod behind the motors), so i need a good front mount solution.

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