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|Author||Topic: Offshore Montauk?|
posted 08-28-2002 08:07 PM ET (US)
I got a 2000 Montauk with a 2001 75HP Merc. a little over a year ago as my first boat. My health was not that great for the first 8 months, so I have not able to get out much here in Central Florida except lakes.
I am looking for advice on how you can safly use this boat in the ocean. Like how many miles out, under what conditions. I am in the advertising business, so I try not to put too much faith in the "Legend". I don't think I would ever venture miles out, but would like to know what is doable.
posted 08-28-2002 10:37 PM ET (US)
I used to take my Sakonnet offshore 5 to 15 miles from Ft. Lauderdale routinely. Took it to Bimini in convoy twice.
If I could go out Lighthouse Point or Port Everglades and not have to look up at water I went. Otherwise I just cruised the ICW.
Have a good GPS and VHF aboard and become expert in their use. Maintain your engine religiously. I didn't use a kicker then and wouldn't now, but it would be something to think about.
Your Montauk is a more seaworthy boat than the Sakonnet and should be able to do what I did.
Red sky at night. . .
posted 08-29-2002 12:04 AM ET (US)
Trips offshore to the Farallone Islands (about 26 miles) were an almost daily occurance for a couple of guys I knew commercial fishing for rockfish. They would get about 500-800lbs.,almost everyday for years in their 17 Montauk with a 90 Johnson. . Finally went to a 25 with twin 150's. The older brother now runs a 65' catamaran commercial sportsfisher. I will regularly run 30-35 miles for albacore off our coast. Last run was 52 miles straightline, 169 miles total with weaving, turning, and trolling.
posted 08-29-2002 01:48 AM ET (US)
Fishnff and I fish the same the area, I have made many trips to the farallon's in a 17OR and a few trips in my refurbished 16 Nauset. The ride in the 17OR was better but I felt equally comfortable in the Nauset.
My advice to you is to only go as far as you are comfortable with. Leave yourself 1/3 of your fuel capacity in reserve on longer runs. I never make long trips without having the company of running partners. Know your limitations, the boats limitations, and most importantly study the weather before you go. The ocean can be a very unforgiving environment, take your time and get as much experience as you can closer to shore before you head offshore. Know how to handle your boat in different sea conditions. Get yourself a copy of chapmans and study their section on small boat handling and the rules of the road. Study charts of your area for shipping lanes etc.
I do not beleive there is a definitive answer to your question. I realize that you dont think you would venture miles out, but actually most of the advice is still applicable if you have not spent much time on the ocean. That said there is no body of water that I would rather be on! Be safe and have fun!
posted 08-29-2002 08:52 AM ET (US)
If you would like to go out sometime with me and my Dauntless,we can set something up for a day on the gulf. I live near Gainesville. The best way to get toknow your boat out there is when someone else is along for the ride as a backup.
posted 08-29-2002 10:08 AM ET (US)
Wow!!! 26 miles offshore in a Montauk! You guys are nuts. Up here in New England I wouldn't venture more than 10 miles out at most. It gets hairy up here real quick. Any other New Englanders feel the same way.
posted 08-29-2002 11:12 AM ET (US)
This is a loaded question that can not really be answered. 3 guys drove from Bradenton, FL to Brazil in 13's. Another words you could theoretically circumnavigate the globe in a Montauk. Question is do you want to?
posted 08-29-2002 04:20 PM ET (US)
Good question. "What do I want to do"? I know my original question is like asking “how long is a piece of rope”, but I am just trying to get an understanding of what sober people do in the ocean with their Mantauk and how this info might help me here in Central FL get my feet wet. Let me provide a bit more detail.
I have become very familiar with local Orlando lakes and the St. Johns. Have been in the ICW a dozen times either near Titusville and Sabstian Inlet. Now, what “I want to do” is safely learn to operate my Montauk in the ocean somewhere near Orlando. So perhaps my question should be more like: Where should I launch? What inlet should I use? How far out do sober, sane people go? And any other advise will be greatly appreciated. I want to take my 2 boys, ages 8 & 10 out, but will not take them in the ocean until I have much more experience. So I want to learn quickly from people who know. Thanks for everyone’s help.
posted 08-29-2002 04:38 PM ET (US)
GuyNole - As recommended earlier - get good charts and study the weather.
As far as where to go out - If you look at any chart on Sebastian you will note that there is a warning that local knowledge is required. The Sebastian Inlet can be very tricky but can be managed if you "buddy boat" a couple of time to get a feeling for the environment. I have yet to grow the stones necessary to shoot that inlet in a 21ft Outrage although I see others in smaller craft do it all the time. Generally, Canaveral is the eaiser inlet. Depending on the launch site, you may have to endure the locks, adding time to the transit. There is also some additional hassle with the security around the cruse terminals/ships and the Navy facility. Your choice....
As far as to "how far out" - depends on what you want to do and what you are fishing for. There several resources that will tell you what is biting at what depth. I typically run 20 to 25 miles out to get to the dolphin and whaoo, although they have been hitting some nice kings a just couple of miles out.
If you are planning a trip over this way, let me know.
posted 08-29-2002 05:11 PM ET (US)
Good advise Al.
The closest ocean to Orlando is the Atlantic....about an hour east:)
I would do the ICW in say daytona and venture outside if it is calm. Hug the coast and run North or south and get a feel for the ocean. I grew up on the ocean so for me running 10 miles off shore is no biggie and will only take 15-20 minutes to do so. If you go slow may take a 1/2 hour but you can always beat a storm in if only 10 miles out and should still be able to see land. Wave size is not an issue it is how close they are that can make a ride miserable. The Gulf over here can get choppy real quick and in a 17 it can be a bone jarring ride in but not scary.
posted 08-31-2002 08:04 AM ET (US)
Using a Montauk, is there any big differences between Canaveral and Ponce Inlet as far as ease/safety,etc...?
posted 09-03-2002 05:13 PM ET (US)
Guy, One question to ask yourself, regardless of distance offshore, what will I do if my engine quits and won't restart? I have "vessel assist" now for my 22ft Revenge because I have an old motor that is new to me. So I will stay inside the "vessel assist" coverage. When I ran my 17 I was very comfortable with the engine and would go 15 to 20 miles out routinely...Dave
posted 09-04-2002 12:22 PM ET (US)
Thanks for all the help and advise. Any other pointers will be appreciated.
posted 09-05-2002 09:38 AM ET (US)
Boated in New England my whole life, I take my 17 Montauk out 25 miles south of westpoort Ma., a couple times of year. Yes New England can kick up quick you just have to watch the weather. The biggest thing is comfort level. I have a very high comfort level, in my line of work, we call playing in 10-16' breaking seas with a 47' motor life boat training. So you see my comfort level differs from alot of people. Plus I have been running that boat since I was 13.
posted 09-05-2002 11:39 AM ET (US)
Just read your post. Canaveral is by far, much easier than Ponce or Sebastian. The limits lie not in your boat but rather your experience. In Fort Pierce, there is a reknowned school (Chapman's) for training boaters such as yourself. I would suggest that you contact them or the local Power Squadron out of Canaveral for training.
If you need any help, email me. I live in Orlando too.
posted 09-05-2002 11:47 AM ET (US)
Forgot to mention that there are ramps at Port Canaveral by the Anchorage Bascule bridge as well as near Jetty Park which is very easy to get to from the Route 528 Beeline.
posted 09-06-2002 12:54 AM ET (US)
Schroeder, you make me chuckle. Northern
California is on the receiving end of the
longest fetch in the world. New England
is on the starting end of a medium-sized
fetch. The key really is in knowing when
NOT to go.
These days, there are lots of good resources
This is my local:
posted 09-06-2002 12:56 AM ET (US)
OOPS. The last URL should be:
posted 09-06-2002 03:50 PM ET (US)
Where is the best place to lauch to go out at Port Canaveral?
I have heard the ramps right at the port are crazy busy. Is it better to lauch at Kelly Park on the Banana River and go through the locks to the port.
posted 09-07-2002 02:31 PM ET (US)
Go visit each ramp at the Cape to see if your idea of crazy is the same as others. If you are inexperienced, just watch the experts and learn. Try sparking a conversation with them before they get ready to launch. You might make a few new friends too.
posted 09-07-2002 03:31 PM ET (US)
Draftsmans wife mentioned a neat trip her and her hubby do. They go up the saint johns, upto jacksonville down the intercoastal to daytona. That sounds like a great trip.
I dont know the j-ville inlet, but I have done Ponce several times, the smallest was a 17 aquasport. You can walk out on the jetties at ponce and watch the other boats underway. You will get an idea where to go. Just remember, once you start in the inlet, dont turn around till your on the end of the ride.
Riding the intercoastal can be tough with the big boat traffic. Huge waves, but you have to learn somewhere. Smooth seas dont increase your boat handling knowledge, you need to be challenged to gain confidence!
You can do it!
posted 09-10-2002 09:52 PM ET (US)
I'm OK with a challenge, it just want to be able to talk about after it is complete.
posted 09-10-2002 10:42 PM ET (US)
500-800 lbs of fish in a Montauk? Unbelievable.....
posted 09-11-2002 08:35 AM ET (US)
give this a try. there is one where I fish.
posted 09-11-2002 11:04 AM ET (US)
This Montauk is a very safe and seaworthy boat. My only limitation is fuel. I have a 27 gal Pate Plastics tank under the RPS and carry two extra 6 gallon tanks. I regulary go out of Galveston to the Buccaneer Field, about 25 miles out and on occasion have ventured to the VA Fogg, about 40 miles. In the Gulf the weather can change in an instant. You can go out in 2 foot waves and return in 5-7 foot waves if a squall comes up. Sqall lines are very common along the Texas Gulf with the afteroon heating of the summertime. I have been caught in them several times when the wind changes from 10 knots to 30-35 knots, the sky turns black and the air temp drops 10-15 degrees. Needless to say, the sea gets angry in a hurry. However, the Montauk takes it beautifully. Although heavy chop and rough seas are rough on the way out, the Whaler design takes the following seas beautifully. Go slow, keep your nose up and there is no problem. "Only a fool heads out in 7 footers, but many captains return in them".
posted 09-11-2002 01:48 PM ET (US)
FISHNFF & EddieS, you Nor. Cal. guys appear to be as tough as those Great Lakes guys that go 20 knots into 5 foot seas.
We go up to 50 miles offshore down here at the wimpier end of the state, but it almost always blows less than 20 knots. Up there it seems like it never drops below that. Oh, and did I mention fog, HUGE westerly swells, summer water temps in the low 50's, and, by the way, lots of really big sharks at the Farallons?
Are the brothers you spoke of the Cuanangs?
posted 09-16-2002 10:38 AM ET (US)
Thanks for all the help. I went to Port Canaveral last week after launch in at Kelly Park on the Banana River, throught the locks and out into the inlet a bit. I was kind of rough so I headed back in and will try again soon. This board has helped my so much with my Whaler and how to enjoy it. Thanks to all.
posted 09-17-2002 01:11 AM ET (US)
I am not sure if Fishnf was talking about the Cuanangs or not. I did not hear anything about one of the Cuanangs running a Cat, but I could have missed something. The Cuanangs would go after Tuna past the farallons on their whalers, along with fishing for just about everything else in the bay area on them.
You are right about the sea conditions here. You have to watch the weather carefully and be ready to go midweek if the weather is good. There are weeks at a time that it is too rough to take the boat out, that is when I fish the Bay for Stripers, Sturgeon or halibut.
posted 09-18-2002 01:39 AM ET (US)
The "brothers" I was referring to run the New Golden Eye and Golden Eye 2000, both catamaran charterboats. Abe and Angelo Cuanang are on my same dock and have known them for almost 20 years. They both fish older style 16's (17's) with 70 Evinrude/Suzuki's. Most out here agree the old style hulls offer superior stability, favored for commercial work. Each of their motors have between 1500 and 2000 hours for a couple of years work. Me? Between work and two small children, mainly the kids, I barely get 300 hours on my 2000 Merc 90 4S.
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