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JCL posted 10-25-2002 05:06 PM ET (US)   Profile for JCL   Send Email to JCL  
Like to share some experiences with various kickers on my Montauk and thanks to all the input from Seabrook and others. Quest was to find a lighter kicker to troll and serve as a get home motor. My Montauk is heavy, 3 gas tanks, elec trolling motor, casting platform, 2 batteries 3 seats, top etc.
Gps readings as follows. Calm day on lake.
Merc 2 stroke 8 hp 79 lbs > 6.1 mph
Evinrude 2s 8 hp 62 lbs >6.3 mph
Nissan 5 hp 58 lbs 4 stroke> 5.2 mph
Merc 3.3 2 stroke 28 lbs > 5 mph (not broken in)
Bought the Merc 3.3 today and love it, can't even tell it's there, burned one pint of gas in 1.5 hours of break in. Trolls at 3 mph at start position on throttle. As low as 1 mph. Made by Tohatsu as is Nissan 2 stroke as correctly stated by folks on this site.
On sale at West Marine at $648 It appears the displacement speed on the Montauk is about 6+ mph no matter how big the kicker if not on plane. A sailor friend tells me the sail boat crowd love these motors to bring their 20-24 ft sail boats into the harbor due to the power vs size and weight.
newt posted 10-25-2002 05:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for newt  Send Email to newt     
Great input JCL. At 28 lbs, and 5-6 mph, there is no reason not to have one!
Dick posted 10-25-2002 08:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
JCL

I have had two of the 3.3 Mercs in the shop this week, all problems owner caused. It's a great motor.

Both of these had been purchased at West Marine. As I do all Mercury products I ran the serial numbers through Merc Net. Neither motor had been registered, no registration no warranty. Mercury told me to register the motors and use the date they were dropped off as the sale date.
Keep this in mind if you don't get a registration card from Merc in a few weeks. Some shops may not be able to register on line or may not want to when you bought your motor elsewhere.
Safest thing to do is make sure West Marine registered it.
Dick

Tom W Clark posted 10-25-2002 09:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
As Dick points out, registering a product is really in your own best interest. It just helps everyone to understand where and when a product came from and to get problems solved easily.

However, in the Washington State, it is illegal for a manufacturer to deny a warranty claim because a warranty registration card was never filled out. Of course you'll still need to have proof of purchase but they cannot use the fact that you never filled out the little card as an excuse to not fix a legitimate problem under the terms of the warranty.

JCL posted 10-25-2002 10:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for JCL  Send Email to JCL     
Thanks for the input Dick, I did get a warranty registration card, the instructions are addressed to the seller. Any reason why I can't fill it out and send it in myself?
There is a place for dealer code and dealer name and address which is blank? I have the info to complete except for dealer code. Also it asks for boat hull identification number??? JCL
andiamo posted 10-27-2002 08:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for andiamo  Send Email to andiamo     
Having had the motor die on my 87 Montauk this summer this post interests me a great deal. Can I ask. (1) How and where do you mount the kicker; and (2) does the motor run off the regular fuel line or does it have an internal tank?

Thanks

Andrew Diamond

Andiamo

Dick posted 10-27-2002 08:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
JCL

I'm not sure if Merc will process the registration without a dealer code. You can give it a try.
If you have a problem e-mail me and I will take care of it for you.

Tom is correct that here in Washington a registered warranty card is not required, but Mercury requires one or I don't get paid for my labor and parts. No pre authorization from Mercury no warranty work.

Dick

AllanR posted 10-27-2002 09:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for AllanR  Send Email to AllanR     
Another question. What is the proper shaft length for the Merc/Nissan etc 3.3 on the Montauk or is there only one length made? BW shows the shaft recommended on the Montauk as 20". Is that what the 3.3 has?
JCL posted 10-28-2002 03:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for JCL  Send Email to JCL     
West Marine gave me what the mgr felt was the dealer code and said they always have the customer send it in. I did that. Thanks for your offer Dick, if I do not receive a warranty acknolwegement I will contact you.

I mounted the 3.3 on a Garelick swing down brkt from Bass Pro Shop. Swings down into perfect position and in up positon just clears the water. 3.3 Mercs are only short shaft. It places the motor back aways which I am told is more efficient. Mounted brkt with 4 through bolts using the wood motor mounting plate inside glass on right rear transom of montauk. Another advantage is that motor is always in vertical postion, no fuel flooding when tilting and it's out of way.
No provison for outboard tank. Internal is 1.5 qts. However appears to be good for about 3 hours of operation. I plan to carry an extra gallon gas container.

Dick posted 10-28-2002 08:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
JCL

Happy trolling.

Dick

Bigshot posted 10-29-2002 11:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
About 6 months ago I inherited(for better term) a 1981 Johnson 4.5hp deluxe. The engine is complete sans powerhead. I have been searching high & low for a "complete" powerhead....no luck.

Today my father calls and said the neighbor gave him a 4.5 evinrude that is in great condition and is gonna send it down from NJ. I am not sure if the new engine is 20" but if not, can I clamp it to the transom or will it not get deep enough. anyone mounted a 15" on a montauk? i think I might be ok in calmer seas being my boat sits a tad lower with the 70 4 stroke. Comments? Anyone have a complete powerhead for a 4.5 or 4 hp deluxe(1980-1994 or so)?

gnr posted 10-29-2002 11:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for gnr  Send Email to gnr     
Bigshot
I ran a Honda 5h shortshaft for a while this summer on my 17' Guardian. With the 90h Rude 2 stroke, two batteries in the stern, downriggers, other assorted gear and my 250lb fishing buddy it worked but just barely and only on real calm water. I much happier with my new longshaft.
JCL posted 10-29-2002 01:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for JCL  Send Email to JCL     
Bigshot, the short shaft motor should work fine with a swing down bracket like Garelick.
I ran an 8 hp Evinrude for 8 years that way and ran several other motors for testing and currently the 3.3 merc which is the 15 shaft. The cavitation plate is well under water and it clears the water in the up position. the spring loaded design makes lowering and raising a snap and the motor is always in the "run"positon, not tilted which casuses gas to flood the cylinders. Also the motor runs better further behind the stern. There is wood in the corners of the transom on a classic Montauk that I used for the 4 thru bolts for the btkt.
JCL.
elaelap posted 11-08-2002 01:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
A brief follow-up on displacement top speed and the use of a small kicker: No matter what power is applied, top hull speed thru water, when not planing, approximates one and on-half times the square root of the waterline length, in knots. Though counter-intuitive, this is a physical absolute. Thus, for the 16 classic hull: plus/minus 1.5 times 4.1 = 6 knots and change. But wait...that's based on 16 ft 7 inches...the overall length. If the waterline length is 14 ft: plus/minus 1.5 times 3.75 = 5.6 knots. But wait...that's based on no wind resistance and no drag, cavitation, ventilation, etc from the motor and prop. I plan to use an old Johnson 6 hp 2-stroke as a kicker on my recently-acquired Minot 16--I salvaged the motor from my O'Day 23 ft fixed-keel sailboat, which was pushed along fine with it at 5 knots for many years. If it gives me 4 or 5 knots with my new/old Whaler, in most conditions, I will be more than pleased -- hell, I only want 2 or 3 knots trolling for salmon anyway. I think the 3 hp Merc would do nicely in very calm conditions, but I would want a bit more power into any kind of breeze.
lhg posted 11-08-2002 02:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
And, for the safest, reliable get home power, in bad conditions (isn't that when engines typically fail), you only want a 20" shaft, with engine bolted directly on to the starboard raised portion of the transom.
whalerron posted 11-08-2002 03:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerron  Send Email to whalerron     
Bigshot,

Fairwinds Marina in Cape Sinclair, MD has brand new powerheads for the 4hp Deluxe for $49.95. No, it isn't a typo, it's $49.95.

Look at their "Bargain Dock"

http://www.fairwindsmarina.com/bargain

- ron

JustinAndersen posted 11-08-2002 06:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for JustinAndersen  Send Email to JustinAndersen     
Against the advice of a lot of wise people on this site, I put a 9.9 Honda longshaft kicker on my Montauk this summer. The common theme was that it was wayyy to much motor.

I boat on L. Ontario and Georgian Bay (where the rocks are numerous and nasty) so my logic was based in the "Murphy's Law" school - my main motor is only going to quit in big (6ft+) waves and I wanted to have some grunt to keep the bow into those waves. My main motor is a Honda 90 so I wanted to stay with Honda (from an appearance perspective it looks better) and was going to go with their 8hp but it turns out it's the same block as the 9.9 - same weight, etc and the 9.9 was only a few bucks more so I thought what the heck. It altered the static trim only a slightly, gives me a huge range of speed (the 90 is no good for slow trolling) and I can use it someday down the road on a little boat (can we say 11' tender anyone?) if in the event I ever buy a cottage. The two 4 strokes are fed by the same fuel line (there's a "T" branch in the main line close to the 90 for the kicker) and I'm embarrassed to admit that I actually had the dealer do the following owing to a bad back and no time: on the STARBOARD side (BW only reinforced the starboard side on my 1999 Montauk - I guess the weight offsets the port side location of the wheel) they peeled the rub rail back to almost the corner of the stern and starboard side so they could mount the motor. They bored ONE hole through hull to bolt the motor (yes, I know, I'm the guy who says NO HOLES IN MY BOAT), dropped it on, tightened her up and you know what? Awesome motor, no big changes in the handling characteristics of the boat at WOT and I've got the power to get home no matter what. I could take photos and email them if anyone's interested.

captbone posted 11-08-2002 08:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for captbone  Send Email to captbone     
Please post them! thanks
kenh posted 11-15-2002 11:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for kenh  Send Email to kenh     
I put a 4 hp yamaha 4 stroke on my 17 1992 montauk.mounted it on the port side and it works great.only concern is that it is a 1 cyl and a"little" rough

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