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John O posted 12-01-2002 07:31 PM ET (US)   Profile for John O  
In the process of buying a used 90hp JOhnson 2 stroke carb model. Seller claims less than 20 hrs. Came in on a trade. This is not a Ocean Pro. The price is 2900.00 w/ prop. Is there a concern w/ this motor due to the year and the Bombardier takeover? The dealer claims motor is in excellent cond. No warranty.
Dick E posted 12-01-2002 09:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick E  Send Email to Dick E     
Ficht had the problems. The Carb motors ran well.
That's a great price on the motor. I would still do a compression test on the motor.
If it checks out ok I would jump on it.
Dick E
John O posted 12-01-2002 09:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
Thanks for the info. Did they make this in an Ocean Pro (Salt water)
Eric posted 12-01-2002 09:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eric  Send Email to Eric     
I've got a 99 (OMC) 90 that has been a great motor for 100 hours (I know that's not a lot yet, but I rigged it in 2001).

The Bombardier built ones should be better.

TightPenny posted 12-02-2002 11:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for TightPenny  Send Email to TightPenny     
I have a 2001 Ocean Pro 90hp Johnson.

There are two seasons on it, and the only problem I had was in the first season when the carburator had a "porosity" problem.

It leaked gasoline out the intakes. Fixed under warranty.

The engine runs strong, and I seldom have to open it up full throttle on my Montauk.

John O posted 12-02-2002 01:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
Thanks

Wanted to see 3 posts in a row (for Bigshot)

Bigshot posted 12-02-2002 02:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Hell....there are 97 that are trailing! Glad to see you got that engine. You stole it!
John O posted 12-04-2002 09:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
Did not buy motor.When I inspected it I noticed the words "cedar point" written on the shaft with a sharpy marker.Had a guy from Marineengines.com find the name of original owner and made some calls. turns out boat was originally bought and used at The Cedar Point Yacht Club in Westport Ct. and the motor had seized. Some young kid working there did not realize that when a horn goes off something is wrong. Ran out of oil. I spoke with the GM of the club and he said to stay away from it. I asked him if he was confusing it with another motor and he said it was the only motor that they ever lost.At any rate motor was sold for parts for $300.00 to J.CAtalano &Sons in Greenwich CT. They in turn sold it to Middlesex Marine Repair in Portland CT who listed on E Bay as on "Excellant condition with less than 20 hours on it. Before I bid the owner of Middlesex Marine ,Pat Silvestro, told me he took it in from a dealer who got it on trade from a guy looking for more power. I promptly returned to Middlesex Marine and asked for my money back. The owner complied and said he would sell it in the spring for 4000 or 4500 and would warranty it as it ran fine. My bid of 2900 on Ebay was the only bid.

I do not know how the motor was repaired or by who, but it was not as advertised. Needless to say, I put time and effort into this purchase only to be disappointed.

whalerron posted 12-04-2002 11:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerron  Send Email to whalerron     
John, you should be ecstatic. You would have been very disappointed if you had not put the time and effort into the motor.

I guess the "20 hours" referred to the motor after it was rebuilt. I would leave negative feedback on eBay for the seller. He was being much less than truthful about that item. He definitely should have stated that it had been rebuilt.

John O posted 12-05-2002 08:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
I am greatful that I caught the problem. Zeke, from Zeke's Marine got me the name of the original owner. I am more pi**ed of at the fact that someone misrepresented this. I will putt negative feedback on E Bay as soon as the credit hits my account , which according to the bank is 7-10 days. This experience has made me take a good look at going new from a local person.

I apologise to all here on the forum with this on going saga but I believe everyone should know what can and almost happened. I was hesitan to put the names of the people I dealt with on the post, but it is all the truth with absolutely no bias due to my anger.

Bigshot posted 12-05-2002 10:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
WOW! I would have been really upset as well. John, get in your car and come down here and we'll find ya a nice engine for cheap.
TightPenny posted 12-05-2002 04:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for TightPenny  Send Email to TightPenny     
A friend of mine posted negative feedback on E-Bay about something that wasn't as promised, and he got hit with a law suit for defamation or whatever they call it.

He being crazy enough went from NJ to the middle of the country to defend himself. He won, but the guy whoever he was, apparantly files that kind of suit whenever someone wants their money back, and since most folk don't want to schlepp halfway across the country, he doesn't refund much money.

John O posted 12-05-2002 07:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
I would travel across to any place at any time if someone ever did this to me and then had the nerve to claim I was at fault in any way. I posted the names of the people that i recently dealt with. I did not say any of them did anything wrong. All I stated was the fact that the motor that was posted on ebay as in excellent conditions was sold for parts for 300 bucks because it was seized.

I could give 2 shi*s what the folks involved think or what legal ground they might want to address concerning deformation of character. Bottom line is I am waiting for a credit on my visa card to come through. If it does not the bank will go after them. If I hear "boo" from them then I will put my own repo "people" on them and you can quote me.

John O posted 12-05-2002 07:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
I am going new (motor)... just don't tell the misses
jimh posted 12-06-2002 11:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I have to laugh at the dealer's claim he'll be able to sell the motor for $4,500 in the spring, an increase in value of 50% from the bid price of $2,900.

If you could increase the value of your inventory by 50% just by aging it for a few months, you'd have a money making machine going there.

Your story is a good one. It alerts us all to the ethics (or lack of ethics) in the sale of used outboards. Caveat Emptor!

andygere posted 12-07-2002 03:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
As much as I like E-bay for a lot of things, big ticket items like boats, cars and outboards make me nervous there. You sort of have to ask yourself, why couldn't they sell it locally? John O, this is not a shot at you, especially since you did your homework and knew a rat when you smelled one. I really do appreciate that you shared this experience with the forum so we can all learn from it.
Bigshot posted 12-09-2002 09:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
In defense of E-Bay....I bought my motorcycle from there sight unseen. Just like anything you buy when you go and pick it up and it was falsely described....you don't pay and you wasted your time and are upset but not beat. John could have bought the engine from a local dealer, brought it home and found out the same thing once he read the prop shaft. Buying it on E-Bay will actually save his butt because he has their written advertisement stating all the false information which in any court would win. If this was a verbal description while at the dealer....what proof do you have that he lied?
andygere posted 12-09-2002 11:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
I wasn't aware that E-Bay offered that type of protection, it's good to know. I can practically see their office complex from my desk, I guess I'd better get with it.
John O posted 12-11-2002 07:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
I would like to think EBay is a good source and will use it again. I would not have been inclined to make a large purchase on line if it had not been in my local area. I was able to find out who the buyer was before bidding. I looked up marine related business in the Port. Ct area and by luck called the one who had placed the item on bid. I also was able to use a CC to pay for the item which gave me some recourse. I have been traveling this past week and just saw the credit on my card.

Let the buyer beware.

John O posted 12-11-2002 08:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
Should read "seller" not buyer
Tom W Clark posted 12-11-2002 08:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Caveat Emptor is always good advice. But I do think Ebay is great. Big ticket items do present some problems but mostly geographical ones. I bought a 20' boat on Ebay two years ago and have enjoyed using it the last two summers.

It really comes down to doing your homework and knowing how to play the game to your advantage. Honesty will always pay off in the end.

Bigshot posted 12-12-2002 02:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
I tried selling my Ninja 600 on E-Bay. I took extensive photos and showed every scratch etc because I did not to misrepresent the motorcycle and thave them balk when they saw it. I think I scared some people but I was just trying to do the right thing. My father read the add and informed me that I made it sound like a wreck. Oh well....I tried. Good thing was I sold it to the 1st person from the local rag for more than I had the "Buy it now" price. I have bought & sold over 200 things on E-Bay and nEVER had an issue except once and paypal got my $$$ back(like $21).
John O posted 12-12-2002 10:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
Motor is on E Bay again with one bid. I emailed the bidder and told him to email w/ his number so i can give him the history on the motor

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