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lc posted 02-06-2003 01:58 AM ET (US)   Profile for lc   Send Email to lc  
Still deciding what to repower my 15 classic with. Living here on Maui doesn't really give a lot of options when it comes to repowering (cost of paradise). We have 2 dealers. I was quoted $6500 for 4 stroke 50 hp suzuki EFI with controls, prop, installation. still have'nt heard from the Merc dealer, who happens to be the only other dealer here on the island. If I'm considering the 4 stroke Merc EFI (installation, controls, and prop) what should I expect in terms of cost? I've also thought about buying a motor over the internet, and installing on my own. Problem is I have absolutely no experience, nada, zero. What would you do? Which motor would you choose (the Suzuki or the Merc). Is the price for the Suzuki outrageous or fair? Anybody out there own a Merc 50 4 stroke or a Suzuki 50 4 stroke? Any advice, comment, or feedback is greatly appreciated. I'm just desperate to get back in the water, but $6500 is a lot of money! Mahalo for taking the time to read this.
captbone posted 02-06-2003 02:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for captbone  Send Email to captbone     
The four stokes are nice but the two strokes get the same job done for less. Dont rule them out, you could find a great 2 stroke deal for close to 2 grand less.
PMUCCIOLO posted 02-06-2003 06:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    
lc,

I am powering my classic 15 with a 70HP Yamaha. I researched the engine options thoroughly prior to making my decision. You may want to check: www.boatsetup.com for specifics on Suzuki engines.

Also, read Clark Roberts' note on the 15's performance under "testimonials." If it were me, I'd stick with a two-stroke motor. You'll find a wealth of information here, as the 15 classic hull has a loyal following.

Paul

Bigshot posted 02-06-2003 09:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
2 stroke buyers are still doing it because they are either CHEAP or really need the extra holeshot. That is my story and I am sticking to it. Get the 60hp Merc EFI 4 stroke.
lhg posted 02-06-2003 01:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
The price you are being quoted on that Suzuki is ridiculous, especially since Hawaii is closer to Japan than the mainland.

I would have a Mercury (since you have a dealer out there to service) shipped from the States. Installation is easy, and Mercs come with a complete DETAILED hook-up instrucution booklet. Anybody with an 8th grade education can do it. From edsmarinesuperstore.com, you can get a 4-stroke EFI 50 for $4000, same price for a 60 2-stroke, and a 4 stroke 60 EFI is $4500.
Even with a shipping cost of $500, you'd be way ahead, and you don't pay sales tax. Engine controls should run about $300 or less.

PMUCCIOLO posted 02-07-2003 03:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    
The 60 4-stroke has a top speed of 36 to 38 MPH on the 15 classic hull, per a Boston Whaler dealer in the Carolinas with whom I spoke. He has repowered four of the 15's with 60 4-stroke power.

For me, that disqualifies the 4-stroke 60. I'd like a bit more power, considering that those figures were obtained with the boat lightly loaded (two people and a single 6.6 gallon fuel tank).

Stick to your story, Bigshot, but get your facts straight. Holeshot and top speed are important considerations for me, but COST is not. In fact, if one considers the cost of purchasing an extended warranty for the two stroke engine (to make it comparable to the now-standard 5-year warranty on the four stroke), the difference in cost is nominal.

newt posted 02-07-2003 08:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for newt  Send Email to newt     
I bought a two-stroke. I am cheap and I like the holeshot. But Bigshot was wrong on one account...I do not NEED the holeshot - just really like it. :)
Bigshot posted 02-07-2003 10:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Yeah yeah yeah....did you guys notice the "or" in there ;)

I would think the 60 would do better than 38 being the 50 Yammie does 36 from a few GPS accounts and the 70 does 39 on my 400lb heavier Montauk but whatever. My 1984(head rated)60hp 2 stroke OMC would pull 40-43 on a good day, I would think the new 60's would do 40+. Anyway, I love the 15 with a 70 2stroke that will run 46+ but man I have to sacrifice some speed for the sheer quietness and economy, especially for $500.

Paul....interesting point that they give 5 years on the 4 stroke but not the 2....hmmmm.

rb posted 02-07-2003 11:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for rb  Send Email to rb     
I contacted edsmarinesuperstore along with others and found out that Mercury's new policy is that they won't ship an engine out of state to an indivual, only to an authorized dealer. You might make a deal with your local dealer to have the engine freighted to him for a fee. rb
lhg posted 02-07-2003 01:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Sounds pretty anti-competive by Mercury if you ask me. But it's common in the marine business these days. Besides pricing considerations, the lack of sales tax makes it impossible for a local dealer to compete on big ticket items.

All Mercury or Yamaha has to do is monitor a website like this, and they can track down dealers shipping out of state and hassle them.

Reagrding this Ed's situation, maybe one way to get around it is to go to a local marine yard, who is not an engine dealer, and have them get it for you and bolt it on. Easy money for them.

Bigshot posted 02-07-2003 02:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Cool thing is....if you have a dealer send it to YOU then warranty starts the date you receive it. If you have it sent to your corner marine shop, he decides when the warranty starts which is usually when mounted and picked up. This way you can order one now and get the good deal and not start your warranty until the boat hits the water in say April or May. My bud who is a small mechanic told me about it and Yamaha has even sent him engines although he is not a Yamaha dealer.
newt posted 02-07-2003 02:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for newt  Send Email to newt     
I seem to recall a while back that Dick posted about a new policy issued from Mercury to dealers that prohibited dealers from shipping motors out of state. It sounds like the policy is now in effect.
Perry posted 02-07-2003 09:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
lc, I saw a 15 Classic out at Kaneohe bay last weekend. It had a Suzuki 70 4 stroke on it. It was just as fast as my 16' Dauntless which goes around 43 mph. What island do you live on? There are lots of outboard dealers here on Oahu. You can get any make you want here.
jimh posted 02-08-2003 11:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
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lc posted 02-09-2003 01:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for lc  Send Email to lc     
perry- i live on Maui. In fact bought my whaler from a guy in Kailua. Shipped it over and had a good year and a half fishing and diving. Motor (60 hp johnson) still runs but coughs way too much for me to feel safe. Figure its time to consider repowering (motors 20+ years) ran well when it was healthy. What's the prices like on Oahu? Talked to a 1 dealer there, he suggested just paying the money to the maui dealer that way when it needed to be serviced it be a lot more convenient. I'm just hesitating because
$6500 for a 4 stroke suzuki/installed is not a drop bucket for me -if you know what I mean.On the other hand, I just want to be out there in the water. Anybody with a 50 merc on their 15 whaler? I know a lot of you mentioned going bigger, but I usually go out with 2 on board and travel light. Speed is not important to me.Anyways, thanks for all the comments-this site is very helpful when making big decisions. Mahalo! lc
lc posted 02-09-2003 01:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for lc  Send Email to lc     
I know I've only mentioned 4 strokes, but 2 strokes are also an option for me. Anybody experince with 2 stroke (50-60 hp)on their 15 whaler? Anybody have any idea of cost?
ShrimpBurrito posted 02-09-2003 02:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for ShrimpBurrito  Send Email to ShrimpBurrito     
I have a 1987 40 HP Johnson 2-stroke on my 15' SS. It does 38 MPH, via GPS, with 1 person, 12 gallons of fuel, battery, VRO, an extra ~25 lbs of wood in the seats, and a cooler full of crabs.
PMUCCIOLO posted 02-09-2003 01:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    
If you are considering two-stroke power, look closely at the 60HP Mercury. It is VERY light, compact, reliable (from my brother's personal experience), and can be purchased for a very competitive price.

I chose the Yamaha because of my personal bias, nothing more. If I didn't want to maximize the power on my boat, I would've gone with the Mercury 60 two-stroke.

Keep Bigshot's point regarding the warranty in mind. He is absolutely correct regarding the start date of the warranty. If you can find a qualified (and certified) shop nearby, I'd suggest having them obtain the engine and put it on. It will save you a world of headaches.

Nick, as best I can tell, the warranty "promotion" for the 4-strokes is a method to encourage consumers to get the old-technology (but reliable and simple) two strokes off the water.

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