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Stauter99 posted 02-12-2003 06:25 PM ET (US)   Profile for Stauter99   Send Email to Stauter99  
Go to http://www.evinrude.com/evinrude/e-tec/photography.htm
PMUCCIOLO posted 02-12-2003 06:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO  Send Email to PMUCCIOLO     
The motors have a futuristic appearance. The technology sounds interesting, but I'll wait a few years...
seasicknes posted 02-12-2003 07:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for seasicknes    
I read the claims on the new Evinrude E-tec motors. Sounds promising. Best to wait and see if all the claims are real.

acassidy posted 02-12-2003 07:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for acassidy  Send Email to acassidy     
Wow.. all I can say is WOW!!
dgp posted 02-12-2003 07:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for dgp  Send Email to dgp     
Their press release tells me nothing!
lhg posted 02-12-2003 08:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
The operative word is Ficht DFI, with a new name and evidently newly designed fuel injectors. Sounds like the V-4 block is not being used on the 75 and 90.
dgp posted 02-12-2003 10:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for dgp  Send Email to dgp     
“Today, we begin a new era in the outboard engine industry,” said Roch Lambert, vice president and general manager, Boats and Outboard Engines Division. “We are launching a new outboard engine technology developed combining the technical capabilities of the Evinrude engineering experts with Bombardier's innovative know-how and management discipline. The result will begin a change in the paradigm of outboard engines.”

“Assumptions about what an outboard engine can accomplish and what today’s more environmentally-conscious world expects from an outboard, will begin to change forever,” added Lambert. “This technology is years beyond 2-stroke, 4-stroke or even direct injection. I am proud to say that Evinrude E-TEC should become the industry’s first complete CARB 3-Star rated outboard engine line.”

So where's the NEW technology? Rebranding Ficht is not new!

masbama posted 02-12-2003 11:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for masbama  Send Email to masbama     
What really amazes me is that Bomb was able to keep this quiet for so long. We get sneak reports about Mercs and yammies but no one was able to sneak peek the E Tecs.
JBCornwell posted 02-12-2003 11:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
I want to know exactly how they accomplished these wonderful advances.

The press release has far too many adjectives and too little meat.

Red sky at night. . .
JB

Bigshot posted 02-13-2003 09:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Try going to their site....they explain it better. Has nothing to do with High or low pressure injection like Ficht. It is more like a standard EFI with some whacky combustion chamber and oil injection that does not mix with the gas. It can also be stored for long periods of time without stabilizer or winterization. NO maintenence for 3 years on anything. # year warranty as well. I'm game if they are not $10k for a 90hp.
Bigshot posted 02-13-2003 09:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
It burns 50% less oil than DFI and 75% than standard 2 strokes. Supposably the oil is directly injected into the engine around the crank bearings or something and does not mix like conventional or DFI engines. It also has extremely tight tolerances so no piston slap like our favorite OMC's of old. Can't wait to hear more.
acassidy posted 02-13-2003 01:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for acassidy  Send Email to acassidy     
And look at the size of the 40 and 50. And the 90 looks slim and light. In the world of fat 4 stroke super weights, it is so nice to see a motor go smaller and still comply with the 3-star garbage. I really do not want to repower my Montauk with a small house that has a cowling the width of my beam and the weight of a 150 hp 2stroke. I am glad I waited to repower. Archie
DaveH posted 02-18-2003 10:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for DaveH  Send Email to DaveH     
From the E-Tec background info:

The unique application of a molded foam inner liner optimizes depth and coverage of the acoustic treatment in both the upper and lower motor covers. Evinrude E-TEC includes an air silencer designed to reduce air-borne sound. It also improves sound quality through the inclusion of a Helmholtz resonator, which is located in the side branch intake and helps reduce sound from the engine.

I looked up some info on the Helmholtz resonator and found some interesting info:

http://www.grapeaperacing.com/GrapeApeRacing/tech/intakehelmholtz.cfm

It appears that this resonator system is not only part of an overall enhanced acoustical dampening package, but also key to the advanced fuel measuring system and stratified combustion chamber efficiency. Bombardier is keenly focusing on the supposed big selling features of 4-strokes and applying technology to make them moot points when comparing against 2-strokes.

I am very interested though in the engine management systems reliability and calibration which appears to be key to proper lubrication:

The E-TEC system senses when to change the number of droplets into the chamber, depending on the engine needs, which is extremely fuel efficient. The electronic “governing” of the idle speed ensures a smooth running ride. The electronic compensation system regulates a precise fuel flow control for the temperature block, barometric pressure and injector variation.

Count me as skeptical of revolutionary new product introductions but very optimistic of the potential idea proposed here. Bombardier is a fine company; hopefully their new E-Tec is bulletproof.

lhg posted 02-19-2003 04:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I recently had confirmation that E-tec is Bombardier's new name for Ficht, as improved by Bombardier. I'm sure we could all agree it needed improvement. I heard a couple of 2003 250's idling the other day, and they sounded like coffee grinders, with lot's of slap & noise.

The marketing strategy is that they HAD to get rid of the Ficht name, and this year are using "DI" for the old style Ficht engines. Then next year, the DI will be dropped as the E-tec comes on line, so it won't look like Ficht = E-Tec (Evinrude Tec). I would bet they will be improved, however. They have a lot riding on this, as so far Evinrude sales are not good. Mercury and Yamaha are not lying down and playing dead at all.

Lagged posted 02-19-2003 08:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Lagged  Send Email to Lagged     
There is an intersting thread on THT about the new etec. Someone from Evinrude replied to it. Here is what he said:

E-TEC is here!

Gentlemen:

I've followed your link and I'd like to respond to a few misconceptions. First and most important, this is in NO WAY a Ficht of any kind. It doesn't even share a single part from a Ficht injector.

Is it a 4S? Is it a 2S? We ask, does it matter? It offers the absolute best of both technologies, and we simply call it E-TEC.

Second, you are correct about the weight. The Evinriude E-TEC 90hp is a full 100 pounds lighter than a Honda 90.

These engines will ALL be CARB 3-star rated. The first full line in history to be able to say that. Even Honda has some 2-star engines.

There truly is no scheduled maintenance for three full years, and the oil tank is onboard and with normal recreational use needs only to be topped off once a year. There are lots of reasons for this, including piston alloys developed with NASA, etc.

We debuted them in Miami last week and the world's collective mouth hung open. These are for real, and we had them for the media to demo in Miami.

Buy then again, this is what Bombardier does. We find an industry with potential, study it from an engineering point ot view, and then dive in and find a better way to do it. We invented the sit down watercraft, we invented the regional commercial jet, we invented, then re-invented the snowmobile (the Ski-Doo REV), and now we've reinvented the outboard.

And, these engines are quiet. REALLY quiet!

Finally, pricing will be competitive.

thanks!

http://thehulltruth.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=382602711&f=436600231&m=6706033032

jimh posted 02-19-2003 11:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
There is a concurrent thread also discussing E-tec engines. See:

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001381.html

SuburbanBoy posted 02-20-2003 12:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for SuburbanBoy  Send Email to SuburbanBoy     
I find it interesting that the rude' rep was comparing emissions to the Honda line. As stated (and disputed) they are the industry benchmark. They also carefully compared weight to the Honda 90, a real porker, as I recall some 375 pounds of carburetor fed, environmentally sensitive hardware. I'll bet it will run forever.

In any case we should enjoy the ride, as there will be some order of magnitude improvements in outboards over the next few years. Quite likely major price increase as well.

It is great to see competition.


sub

lhg posted 02-20-2003 02:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Regarding the Evinrude marketing guy's remarks, he's basically saying that anybody who buys a 2003 DI/Ficht would have to be crazy, since their 2004 E-tec is so superior.
Emphasizing that E-Tec is not Ficht is not good for 2003 Ficht engine sales.

I wonder if he's been fired yet!

It seems they did this once before, when they said all OMC parts incorporated into the 2001 and prior engines were junk (poor tolerances and bad workmanship from suppliers), and "had to reapply for the job". Got to wonder what's going on up there in French Quebec.

It seems they keep shooting themselves, and their dealers, in the foot.

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