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mtbadfish posted 03-28-2003 06:09 AM ET (US)   Profile for mtbadfish   Send Email to mtbadfish  
I'm in the market for a new anchor. My boat is a 22' Outrage Cuddy with the bow pulpit. Any recommendations?

Thanks,
Badfish

Chap posted 03-28-2003 11:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chap  Send Email to Chap     
Hello,
I use the Danforth Hi-Tensile 12lb. anchor with great success on soft bottoms.
I may get a baby Hi-Tensile as a lunch hook etc.
Thanks
Chap
lhg posted 03-28-2003 05:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I'll second Chap's recommendation, but perhaps in the smaller 5H size, according to Danforth's recommendations. One of the best anchors made, and quite light. I use the 12H size on my 25 Outrage pulpit. I would recommend removing the Whaler supplied AR-4 anchor roller, and installing the Windline URM-2 instead. On my 18 Outrage's smaller bow pulpit, which is the same size as the one on the 22, I use the Hi Tensile 5H anchor, also with the Windline URM-2. I would think the 5H would be fine on a 22, and it fits the bow pulpit perfectly. Don't get the Deepset Hi tensile. It's not as well made, and awkward to use.
captbone posted 03-28-2003 08:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for captbone  Send Email to captbone     
If you are like most pulpit people you will be limited to the amound of chain you can have on the anchor. So I would recommend at least one anchor size bigger than recommend. Everytime I pull my heavy anchor up and my back is killing me, I think about how happy I will be when it holds in a situation that I need it to.
jimp posted 03-28-2003 11:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimp  Send Email to jimp     
mtbadfish -

My Revenge 22 (with pulpit) came with 2 anchors: Fortress FX-11 (7 pounds) and a 22 pound Bruce (that has sat in the shed for 6 years!). The Fortress works fine with about 20-ft of 1/4" or so chain (heavy). My lunch hook is a 3-pound Danforth (sees limited use).

captbone -

Get yourself an "Anchor Boy" or one of the ring systems for retrieving your anchor. Attach a Norwegian float or a fender to the the sliding sleeve and connect to your anchor rode. Then drive ahead on it in a large arc (making sure not to run over the float) until the sleeve/float slides to the anchor. Then pull it in. It sure beats pulling up the anchor from 250-300 feet!

JimP

captbone posted 03-29-2003 01:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for captbone  Send Email to captbone     
Most all of the time it just me and the family in the flats with 20 feet on line out and no wind. I keep telling my self when the stuff hits the fan that 30 pound anchor will save my life when fishing and I break down. I really think that chain is the key anyway.
mtbadfish posted 03-29-2003 09:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for mtbadfish  Send Email to mtbadfish     
Thanks for the replies, I'm going to take a look for one this morning.

I was concerned about the effect of the weight and leverage on the pulpit, thanks for the insight. Replacing the roller makes sense and might as well do it now because the wood needs to be sanded and refinished.

Mike

kingfish posted 03-31-2003 05:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
I use a 12h Danforth in my 22 and have a Fortress 7 pounder back-up. I've found the Fortress will "sail" in any kind of current and consequently makes anchoring precisely where I want to anchor difficult, the deeper the water and the stronger the current, the more difficult, so the Danforth gets the nod for the default anchor.

I just witnessed first hand the advantage of the gizmo jimp described for retrieving anchors, and I am going to have one. We were out about 35 miles in the Gulf trying to set the anchor upwind so we could drift down and tie off over an old Exxon template where all these fish seemed to want to hang out. The bottom was about 100 feet down and the deck of the template was at about 60 feet and we apparently pulled our anchor into the general framework of the template because when we got ready to leave, the anchor was simply not coming up. I could feel it come up about the length of the chain and hang up, and it didn't matter what we did or how we pulled in what direction, forward or reverse, we were stuck. The other guy that was out with us (we had my Outrage 22 and he had a 25' cat of some sort), threw me his gizmo, we clipped it onto our anchor line and did the big circular sweep at the end of the anchor line, and somwehere in there it dislodged our anchor because when we turned back to the bouy, our anchor was right there at the surface. Damnedest thing I've seen in a while.

andygere posted 04-02-2003 01:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
John,
What do you mean when you say the Fortress will sail? I've been considering one of these due to their claimed holding power and light weight. It's a bit awkward to get to the bow of the Outrage 22 Cuddy, and I figured an anchor easily carried in one had would be a good thing. The boat came with a big old navy anchor that I would trust in a pond, let alone the Pacific. Any thoughts on pros/cons of the Fortress anchors in general?
Louie Kokinis posted 04-02-2003 09:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for Louie Kokinis    
I have a Bruce and a Fortress. Both have 20í of chain and neither slip. I donít have an anchor roller so I prefer the Fortress because it is easier to store. IMO the Bruce is also a great anchor.
kingfish posted 04-02-2003 11:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Andy-

I thought after I posted my reply that I probably hadn't been clear to anyone but myself about what I meant - sorry.

What I have found with the fortress *in areas where there is (strong)current* and made more problematic in greater depths, is that the fortress doesn't want to drop straight down. The blades seem to act like a sail, and the current catches the relatively lighter (less dense) anchor and it sails away from the boat on the way down. I tried for over a half hour at the confluence of the Licking and Ohio Rivers at Cincinnatti to get my anchor set in around 20 feet of water a couple of Labor Days ago, so that a nicely placed open spot between other already anchored boats could be taken advantage of, and nearly had to shoot myself. (And of course I was subject all the while to the bemused attention of those already there, and to every kind of suggestion, both helpfully and ironically intended.)

Anyway, I never could get the Fortress set, because I just couldn't get it to hit the bottom where I needed it to in order to back off on the rode and drop into the available opening; so I had to settle for a far less preferable view of the day's events. I don't mean to bad mouth the fortress in any way, because due to it's lesser weight it is a really handy solution, if precision anchoring in strong current is not the problem to be solved. And even then, if you could figure how to get the anchor down where you wanted it, and could get it set, it would hold.

John

Louie Kokinis posted 04-02-2003 07:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Louie Kokinis    
John,

We regularly use the Fortress in high current (and deep) locations without a problem. How much chain are you using?

I ask because I when I bought the Fortress the sales guy recommended ONLY 6í of chain!

kingfish posted 04-02-2003 08:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Hi, Louie-

I would guess I have about 6' of chain and it is pretty light weight compared to the chain on my Danforth. I'll go out and check tomorrow to be sure about the length. I'd be tickled to find that I was the nut behind the wheel in this thing, and that the Fortress really works better than I think it does, as it is so much easier to deal with on board given its light weight.

Are you able to get your Fortress to the bottom effectively in strong current, and in a similar way to a heavier anchor?

Louie Kokinis posted 04-02-2003 10:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Louie Kokinis    
Iíve never had a problem, and am sure youíll find that the 6í chain is the culprit. (IMO 20í is the minimum for our boats) Both the Bruce and fortress perform great in soft bottoms, but find the Fortress better in rocks.

Iíve also found that feeding the anchor to the bottom is best, and have fouled both anchors by letting them freefall. Do you feed the rode down to the bottom or let gravity do the work ?

Backlash posted 04-03-2003 09:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
I would highly recommend the Fortress FX-7. This is a very high quality, well made, extremely lightweight (4#), easy to store anchor. As Louie mentioned, the secret to preventing "sailing" is to use a longer length of chain. I use 15' or chain and have nver had a problem getting it set.
kingfish posted 04-03-2003 09:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Louie-

I push it over the side and let it go - never have considered feeding it. Looks like I've got a couple of things to try; I appreciate your insights.

John

kingfish posted 04-03-2003 09:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
And thanks to you too Steve - I got interrupted while writing my last post and didn't see yours until I turned mine loose.
Backlash posted 04-03-2003 11:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
John,
I originally had 6' of chain hooked to my Fortress and it indeed would sail when trying to set in any current due to its light weight. I don't think you can have too much chain in your anchor rode...many larger sailboats use only chain in their rode. The chain helps keep the anchor shank parallel to the botton enabling the flukes to better dig in. Also, with a longer length of chain, the scope can be decreased.

Great story on the anchor retrieval "gizmo". I have been wanting to get one for years.

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