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Outboard Advice for a 13' Sport
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posted 06-03-2003 10:33 PM ET (US)
I am repowering my 1966 13’ Sport and could sure use some advice. Based on my research, I plan to purchase either a Nissan 40 hp, two-stroke, 15”, trim & tilt, remote or the same configuration on a Nissan 30 hp, four-stroke. I am not an expert on outboards, but from what I have learned, it seems experts consider the Nissan a very good engine, but the dealer support is not as strong as with more popular brands. However, I can purchase a complete setup with either for about $3,500, which is considerably less than competitors, and the motors are also about 50 lbs lighter than competitors. There are Nissan Dealers close by the two places where we would run the Whaler.
The boat is primarily used for fishing in shallow water areas although I occasionally like to take it for a cruise up the river.
My questions are: (1) The Nissan’s seem to be a much better option for my 13’ than the competition given the features they offer for a 15” transom, the price, and the weight. Am I missing something? (2) What would be the differences in performance between the 40 hp two-stroke and the 30 hp four-stroke in terms of trolling, noise level, top end speed, and out-of-the-hole power?
Thanks for your help. I have enjoyed and benefited from reading your comments throughout this great forum.
posted 06-04-2003 01:14 AM ET (US)
The Nissan/Tohatsu 40 hp 2-stroke would be my first choice for repowering a blue hull (15-inch transom) 13. It's light, has power tilt and trim and is a good value compared to the Big 3. There are several Nissan/Tohatsu owners in my harbor, and everyone I've spoken with seems to like these motors. The '72 13 I used to own was powered by a 40 hp Mercury, and with any load at all in the boat, I wouldn't want any less power.
posted 06-04-2003 10:27 AM ET (US)
What kind of top speed are people getting out of the Nissan/Tohatsu 40s or 50s compared to the older 40 or 50 Mercs?
I like the Nissan/Tohatsu low weight. Do they offer manual start for the 40 and 50?
posted 06-04-2003 11:29 PM ET (US)
I don't believe Nissan has a manual start 40 hp or 50 hp in their 2-stroke, 4-srokes, or TLDI lines.
Other forum members certainly know better than I do, but my understanding is that the current hp measurement method is more conservative that that used with older outboards. Therefore, the power ratings and probably boat performance with new models exceeds that found in older models.
I agree about the weight issue. On paper at least, the Nissan seems like a pretty impressive motor. I would sure like to hear about the experiences of other Whalers.
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posted 06-05-2003 07:33 AM ET (US)
I looked at the Nissans a few months ago but bought a Yamaha 50 (also for a 13' but '84 model). The new TLDI(?) has the hot new fuel injection system. Looked like a nice motor but no pull start, as I remember. I assume that the fuel injection requires power to start.
Good Luck in your search
posted 06-05-2003 12:48 PM ET (US)
My friend on Lummi Island has a Tohastsu 40hp on his '66 13'. He is not quite as fast as I am with my old '73 Merc 50. It is within a few mph. Not a huge difference. Big difference is that he just had a major low end failure. I'm not sure of the year but I think his was a 93-94.....I think it has been a good motor other than that....
posted 06-05-2003 02:20 PM ET (US)
No offense but i would not want to pull start a 40 or 50hp. Not an issue when it runs like a clock but that thing will yank you overboard if it kicks back. My 25 was manual start and she could tire you out if a plug fouled etc.
If waterskiing is not a priority I would get the 30hp 4 stroke. The quietness and smoothness is sweet. If speed is more of a concern, go with the 40.
posted 06-05-2003 02:44 PM ET (US)
Tohatsu does make a manual start, short shaft, only 158 lbs. $3373
It's a 3 cyl so it probably wouldn't be as hard to start as a 2 cyl OMC esp if it has compression release feature.
But nothing like a 4 cyl Merc....my 10 yr old son can start it....whereas I busted my knuckles from kick-back when I was 14 tring to start my EvinRUDE 33. Damn magnet/points didn't help either.....
posted 06-06-2003 11:23 AM ET (US)
Thanks for everybody's advice. I just bought a Nissan 30 hp, 4-stroke, remote, with power tilt & trim installed for $3,497. Seemed like a fair price and I prefer to support local dealers.
FYI, as I stated in my original post, I was a bit concerned about the quality of the Nissan. So, I called several dealers who carried multiple brands of outboards who were located outside my trade area (i.e., east and west coast). These folks knew they were not going to sell me a motor, but were willing to offer advice. All of these dealers spoke very highly of their experience with the Nissan and several said it was the most dependable in their line. One dealer who carried Suzuki, indicated that it was not as sophisticated electronically as the Suzuki (i.e., EFI), but also noted that the price advantage still made it relatively attractive.
I am excited about getting the boat out next week!
posted 06-07-2003 08:03 AM ET (US)
Please keep us advised about your new Nissan - reliability, top speed unloaded, loaded, etc. I have a fairly new 25 Johnson on my 1970 13' - it has elec start, no power tilt. I've had excellent service from it, top speed unlaoded about 28 mph. Not a powerhouse but so far so good. The little 13 of course is my favorite small boat, ever. Tough, fun. simple. Best of luck with your new motor! Sounds like you made an informed decision. Mav
posted 03-25-2005 12:10 PM ET (US)
Anyone have any recent experience with the Nissan 40 HP 2-stroke on a 13? I am afraid my old 82 35 HP OMC is about to hang it up for good.
posted 03-28-2005 09:18 PM ET (US)
Go with the 40hp 2s. It's much lighter and faster
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