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cape_rover posted 06-19-2003 01:28 PM ET (US)   Profile for cape_rover   Send Email to cape_rover  
Anybody know how much the 75 and 90 hp motors will weigh and roughly what $MSRP will be?
lhg posted 06-19-2003 03:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Since Bombardier Corp now has E/J up for sale, I would guess that these new engines won't be marketed until a new group of financial investors is found, presumably with the Bombardier family as the fronting name, taking E/J private.

Before buying, you might want to wait and see what's up.

bsmotril posted 06-19-2003 03:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for bsmotril  Send Email to bsmotril     
My local dealer says he can order now with delivery in a few weeks. Maybe he's BS'n me, but I don't see why a company would stop marketing an announced product because the parent was selling them off. Their ability to deliver on their announcement makes Evinrude more valuable and likely to draw a higher price for the seller.
Cape-Rover, call your local Evinrude dealer and see what they say. Let us know...
BillS
cape_rover posted 06-19-2003 05:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for cape_rover  Send Email to cape_rover     
From Roch the VP and GM:

"We’re building Evinrude ® and Johnson ® product,launching model year 2004, and we’re getting ready to put Evinrude E-TEC ™ into production."

http://www.evinrude.com/pdf/061203.pdf

I doubt anyone can order these engines yet but the literature is at dealers.

Peter posted 06-19-2003 05:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
I agree with BSMotril. I doubt that the sale of the business would hold up marketing efforts. If the business is run in a half orderly way, they are running it according to a business plan that was put into place before the decision to sell was made. It would take an extreme circumstance to shift away from executing the business plan.
Bigshot posted 06-19-2003 07:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
The sale is not so cut and dry as people think. They are just selling a certain diivision and supposably the "original" family of Bombardier is looking to buy it. Either way I think any OMC product will be in good hands going forward and would be #1 on my list except for Suzuki(or basically whatever I could get the best deal on). With all the BS with OMC in the past, they are not gonna let their hard work and dollars ruin anything. Johnson/Evinrude are finally in the black for Bombardier, their airplanes or whatever is hurting their profits and reason for the sale.
Dick posted 06-19-2003 10:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
The last Bombardier news letter I got indicated that when they started producing the E-Tech motors they would start with the high HP and work down. It could be some time before we see a 75 & 90.

Dick

JohnJ80 posted 06-19-2003 11:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for JohnJ80  Send Email to JohnJ80     
The word this spring was that the first units would be available in July. If what others say is true and you can order now, that seems to be in line with July deliveries.

I would guess that if they are trying to sell the company, there will be doing everything in their power to ship units. Failing to do so would hurt the value of the company in the eyes of an investor. So if the management is good, they will be doing all they can to keep the polish on the apple and that means executing to plan -> and therefore get the highest price.

j

cape_rover posted 06-20-2003 07:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for cape_rover  Send Email to cape_rover     
The midrange engines will be the first E-TECs available.

http://www.evinrude.com/e-tec/background.htm

"Currently, the Evinrude line of E-TEC includes 40-, 50-, 60-, 75- and 90-horsepower models, filling the need for recreational boating mid-range power. By model year 2005, the power lineup will be complete through the big V-6s."

whalernut posted 06-20-2003 06:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Call me hiding under a rock, but what is E-TEC?? Jack.
jimh posted 06-20-2003 09:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
[Changed all occurances of E-TEK to E-TEC.]

It is a new engine from Evinrude. I'd bet you could find out all about it on the Evinrude website. Try:

http://www.evinrude.com/e-tec/press_release.htm

If that article does not make a great deal of sense, don't feel bad. I've read a number of articles about the E-TEC and I still am not sure what technology makes it special.

jimh posted 06-20-2003 09:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
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Dick posted 06-20-2003 10:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
jimh

I am a J/E service center and selling dealer.
I don't have any more facts than you do. The new model year is coming up so maybe we will be enlightend.

Dick

JBCornwell posted 06-20-2003 11:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Recent statement by undisclosed Bombardier executive:

"The E-Tec 75 and 90 engines will ship from the WI plant in the early Fall."

Expect delivery in October or later.

Red sky at night. . .
JB

cape_rover posted 06-21-2003 07:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for cape_rover  Send Email to cape_rover     
JB, Can you ask your undisclosed Bombardier executive source how much they expect the 75 and 90 hp to weigh?

Jack, This is what E-TEC is:

of Evinrude® E-TEC™ technology, Bombardier Recreational Products begins a new era in the outboard engine industry. Evinrude E-TEC is the future of outboard engine technology. Five innovative and distinct features of E-TEC sets its performance apart from current industry offering to truly make it unique:

Environmentally-responsible
Whisper-quiet operation
Extremely low maintenance
Durability, quality and reliability
Styling
E-TEC can apply to the lowest horsepower outboards, while maintaining excellent power and torque, remaining environmentally-responsible and providing whisper-quiet operation.

Currently, the Evinrude line of E-TEC includes 40-, 50-, 60-, 75- and 90-horsepower models, filling the need for recreational boating mid-range power. By model year 2005, the power lineup will be complete through the big V-6s.

Living Up to the “Environmentally-Responsible” Pledge

The complete line of Evinrude E-TEC engines is designed to be California Air Resources Board (CARB) 3-star compliant outboard engines.

The stratified fuel combustion chamber is key in this advanced technology. Fuel reaches the exhaust port only after it has closed, at one-half the time of traditional direct injection engines. This means the fuel charge does not escape the combustion chamber – especially during idle – as it is burned and turned into power. The stratified combustion chamber also offers better fuel efficiency because of its precise fuel flow. The E-TEC system senses when to change the number of droplets into the chamber, depending on the engine needs, which is extremely fuel efficient.

The electronic “governing” of the idle speed ensures a smooth running ride. The electronic compensation system regulates a precise fuel flow control for the temperature block, barometric pressure and injector variation.

Assumptions about what an outboard engine can accomplish and what today's more environmentally-conscious world expects from an outboard, will begin to change forever. Evinrude E-TEC is a quieter, cleaner and extremely low maintenance engine that satisfies the requirements of Jean-Michel Cousteau of Ocean Futures Society and others whose sole purpose is to ensure a cleaner environment.

Designed to meet CARB 3-star emission standards, Evinrude E-TEC will optimize oil and gas consumption. The stratified combustion chamber creates 80 percent less carbon monoxide than a 4-stroke creates at idle.

The sealed fuel system minimizes evaporative emissions. The engines feature the E-TEC auto lube oiling system that eliminates the mixing of oil and fuel. Evinrude E-TEC engines also have a lower oil flow due to targeted oil delivery system and pass-through connecting rod lubrication.

With the on board monitoring system ensuring the exact precision use rate of E-TEC oil, Evinrude E-TEC engines use approximately 50 percent less oil than traditional direct injection systems and 75 percent less than traditional 2-strokes*.

The Acoustic Story

To live up to its claim to be the next generation of engine, E-TEC owners will immediately notice the whisper-quiet operation and what Bombardier refers to as a “signature sound” when on power.

The unique application of a molded foam inner liner optimizes depth and coverage of the acoustic treatment in both the upper and lower motor covers. Evinrude E-TEC includes an air silencer designed to reduce air-borne sound. It also improves sound quality through the inclusion of a Helmholtz resonator, which is located in the side branch intake and helps reduce sound from the engine.

Bombardier incorporated an improved piston design that decreases the “piston slap” sound. When some competitors’ pistons slide up and down in the cylinder, they can make a slapping sound. Bombardier has enhanced the piston guidance in the cylinder to significantly reduce that sound.

Another sound contributor in previous generation outboard engines is in the
throttle plate. Evinrude E-TEC features an idle air bypass (intake side), which eliminates the need for relief holes in the throttle plate and also delays the throttle plate opening that results in a quieter idle and trolling speed. E-TEC also features enhanced idle relief (exhaust side) geometry for a pleasant idle sound.

Redefining “Low Maintenance”

The reliability of Bombardier-built engines is demonstrated with three-year, no scheduled maintenance on Evinrude E-TEC - the industry’s most comprehensive warranty program. The on-board engine management module (EMM) means no dealer winterization, spring tune-up or scheduled maintenance for three years of normal recreational use. The digital diagnostic panel monitors the engine and user-friendly lights notify the owner of any system checks.

The Evinrude E-TEC low friction design provides boaters with enormous benefits: these engines employ no belts, powerhead gears, cams or mechanized oil pumps. Also, the oil doesn’t need to be changed, providing added savings on expensive oil changes and filters. Oil changes on other technologies can cost several hundred dollars each year. That means that these weak points of traditional 4-strokes are eliminated.

Durability, Quality and Reliability

Evinrude E-TEC engines feature a “sure start system” designed to fire within one revolution, ensuring a quick start. The fully-stratified start up is controlled by the EMM onboard computer that eliminates the wetdown period.

Evinrude E-TEC parts demonstrate a high level of quality. With full magneto electronics, the E-TEC system can be started without a battery and eliminate worries of running the engine should a power failure occur. The beltless 25-amp charging system means that there are no moving parts to adjust. The flow-through cooling system and extra capacity water pump ensure the optimum engine temperature. The sealed fuel system is designed for long-term storage, as well as heavy-duty usage.
These smaller, lightweight engines – in the case of the 90-hp E-TEC, as much as
100 pounds lighter than traditional 4-strokes – feature “big motor” components.
Within the compact Evinrude E-TEC engines are many tough, oversized components for durability: rods, rings, pistons, bearing mounts, cylinders, heads, gear case, injectors, reeds, intake systems, fasteners and the cooling system. The pistons, made from special alloys, are nearly three times stronger than traditional pistons at operating temperature.

The Evinrude E-TEC full corrosion package features electro deposition paint, with epoxy high temperature paint on the exhaust components

whalernut posted 06-21-2003 10:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Thank you CR!! Very interesting and sounds great, but I can see a price tag as huge as a house on these :( I like the design idea, but hmmmmm the price tag, i wonder???? Jack.
JBCornwell posted 06-21-2003 11:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
I think it is reasonable to expect the E-Tec engines to be competitively priced.

Red sky at night. . .
JB

whalernut posted 06-21-2003 06:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
That would be cool JB, and there seams to be more choices of brands and types of each brand than ever. and their all trying to make them better than each other, that is a very good thing in my book :) Jack.
jimh posted 06-22-2003 07:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The one technology of the E-TEC that I do understand is the magneto ignition. That means you can start and run your engine without a battery. It will self generate enough current to run.

Many years ago Dick Fisher recommended that Boston Whaler boats use engines like that if you planned to operate offshore. If your battery became damaged you could still start and run your engine and get back.

sweetrevenge posted 09-04-2005 09:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for sweetrevenge  Send Email to sweetrevenge     
I'm looking foward to repowering my 87 20' revenge with a pair of 90hp E-Tec's I plan to do this in Jan or Feb of 06.
After compairing E-Tec's with all the 4 stroke's I believe the E-Tec and 2 stroke is still the way to go. Keep in mind the 90 E-Tec is a 3 cylinder motor which means still better fuel consumption and range..
I think BRP is right on with the new E-Tec.
Backfire posted 09-05-2005 10:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Backfire  Send Email to Backfire     
As to the E-TEC magneto, the design is to result in enough voltage being generated in one revolution to-1) boot up the computor, 2)read sensor information so the computor"knows" where the first piston is to come up on TDC, 3)fire the injector in that cylinder and fire the spark plug. Now how that first revolution comes to pass is either by a battery with enough charge to turn the starter motor or by the tried and true pull rope method. You may have to remove some plastic shrouds to get to the notch in the flywheel where the knot in the rope goes. While not the preferred task, beats waiting for a tow or worse when you have a battery(s) failure.
Backfire

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