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Aldog posted 06-28-2003 06:31 AM ET (US)   Profile for Aldog   Send Email to Aldog  
As I sit here pondering the installation of my trolling plate to slow my trolling speed. I am dreading drilling in my Anti-cavitation plate, also dreading breathing the two stroke exhaust that I have breathed all these years as I troll, dreading the fouling of plugs, etc. etc.

Leads me to start thinking kicker. This boat is new to me and why not set it up right the first time (that will be my justification to my wife, for sure)

Do you guys have yours mounted to the transom? Direct or with a bracket?

The guys that troll alot are you steering with the tiller or the big motor, with or withour a connecting arm?

I also wonder what is too big, I have no specs on total transom weight, will my Montauk handle the additional weight? I am thinking 9.9 no bigger, as many lakes in this area are 9.9 restricted and I could have multi function from the motor.

98 Hull with 98 90hp Merc.

Tom W Clark posted 06-28-2003 08:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Clamp a 20" shaft kicker directly to the transom as Whaler advises. The starboard side is prefered but not required. Do not use a bracket. Do not use pads.

If what you are trying to accomplish is steering a straight line while the kicker is operating under full power, then it is possible to clamp the kicker in its straight ahead position and use the main motor as a rudder to steer the boat. If you are going fishing and troll at slow speed, then a tie bar becomes a necessity if you want to steer from the helm.

I used the one made by Golden-Eye Products which is remarkably similar to the one that Whaler sold as a accessory back in the 1960's. This is mounted on the fronts of the motors where it can easily be removed (though I never removed mine). The EZ-Steer product will work too, but costs more money, is harder to set up, is far less discreet and is mounted on the backs of the motors where you cannot reach it from the boat.

The Montauk’s transom will have not problem handling the weight of a 9.9 but there is no performance reason to use so large a motor for trolling. A 6 hp kicker is just about ideal. Even a 8 hp is a waste of horsepower as you will be limited by the displacement hull speed of the boat. A 4 hp would satisfactory for trolling.

You will be very pleased not only with the reduction of smoke but the huge reduction in sound level while trolling with a small kicker.

acassidy posted 06-28-2003 09:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for acassidy  Send Email to acassidy     
IF you do drill into your anti-ventilation plate, do not worry. If you change your mind later, fill the holes with Marine-Tex, sand and repaint, and it will be as good as new.
gnr posted 06-28-2003 04:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for gnr  Send Email to gnr     
I have a Honda 5h fourstroke clamped directly to the transom of my 17-Guardian. I forget the name of the steering connector that I purchased from Cabellas but it is just a stainless rod threaded at both ends with socket connectors that easily attach to pins mounted on the front of both motors.

The 9.9 would be overkill for trolling purposes. My 5h is plenty of motor for pushing the Guardian at 1.8 to 2.5 mph trolling speeds. Top end is 5.8 mph. I put over thirty hours on it a couple of weekends ago and didn't quite finish the 3 gallons of gas in the tank. :>)

I used to do the big motor trolling plate thing, never again.

Aldog posted 07-11-2003 08:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Aldog  Send Email to Aldog     
Update. Opted against trolling plate (sending it back to Cabella's) Bought a Merc 4hp 4 stroke 20" and plan to strap it on as soon as it arrives.

"Let's do it right the first time" is my motto with my whaler.

whalersman posted 07-12-2003 12:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
Aldog,

Good choice...

I have a 1988 Evinrude 8HP, longshaft, on my Montauk. Although you don't really need 8HP, the 2 stroke is very light in weight.. 58.5 lbs and mine is mounted on the Starboard side which is the preferred side. My Stern light was on the Port side anyway and that would have interfered with mounting the engine on that side.

A photo is worth a thousand words....

www.sisqtel.net/~jkriz/Montauk/montauk.html

I think you are going to really like your new setup..

Joe Kriz

elaelap posted 07-17-2003 12:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
Joe,

What a fine looking boat, my friend.

Aldog,

I troll for hours at between 2-3.5 mph at 800 rpm with a 13" pitch prop, 50 hp 4 stroke Bigfoot-geared 243 lb Yamaha, depending on my attitude in relation to wind and waves. Downhill on a real windy, lumpy day I have problems keeping my trolling speed down, so I tack back and forth angling in toward the desired location. I've thought of dragging a large bucket, but haven't felt the need as yet. I'd feel funny drilling holes in my anti-cavitation plate, though I have no idea whether this would actually adversely affect the plate's strength and integrity...there's just gotta be a more elegant way.

I love not having a kicker adding weight to the transom, plus no extra gas tank, hoses, steering apparatus, oil to mix and smell, etc. On the other hand, there's bound to come a time when I'll wish I had a back-up motor, no matter how reliable my new Yami has been so far... I might take Tom's advice and just clamp on my ancient 6 hp Johnson kicker directly to the transom without the damn backbreaking, finger pinching bracket and see how it affects my old Katama's handling...the old workhorse is just gathering dust in the garage anyway.

Tony

Dick posted 07-21-2003 10:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
Believe it or not I bought (stole) a Yamaha kicker today for the Montauk.

A customer offered it to me for the cost of getting the transmission repaired in his truck, $700.00. He said no truck, no work. The wife said sell some toys and fix it.
I should send her a dozen roses.

It's a 2002 8 HP long shaft 4 stroke and in mint condition. When we talked earlier in the day I didn't ask if it was a 2 or 4 stroke and assumed that it was a 2 stroke. When he pulled up this afternoon and opened the trunk of his car I had the check written befor we lifted it out.

Dick

Aldog posted 07-22-2003 05:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for Aldog  Send Email to Aldog     
Dick what a deal. I'll have that in my 4hp. Happy trolling.
Barnett Childress posted 07-27-2003 07:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barnett Childress  Send Email to Barnett Childress     
Congrats Dick! You will love that engine. I put a Yamaha 8hp hi-thrust 4 stroke on my Montauk last season and love it. It starts easy, no smoke, very quiet & sips gas. I was a bit concerned about the weight but it hasen't been a problem and actually has eliminated the boats lean to port underway.
Good luck!
Barnett
gcl posted 08-01-2003 09:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for gcl  Send Email to gcl     
Reading this post with great interest. Anyone have success with similarly mounting an electric trolling motor on the stern of a 16'/17'?

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