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Repowering an 18' 1984 outrage?
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posted 07-01-2003 11:06 AM ET (US)
Iím looking at possibly purchasing an 18'1984 outrage. Before I do, I would like to evaluate all my options. So my question is as follows: What kind of engine would you guys recommend purchasing a 2 or 4 stroke? Horsepower? Brand? Thanks!
posted 07-01-2003 07:00 PM ET (US)
2-stroke, 150HP, Johnson, Mercury, Yamaha, depending on your color choice. All will push you 40+ MPH and drink gas at the rate you are willing to feed it. Existing rigging might swing the choice one way, but I would buy the brand that I could find the best deal on. I would not budge on the 150HP, though.
posted 07-01-2003 07:52 PM ET (US)
It depends what kind of boating you're doing. If open ocean, the 150 is unusable under all but the most ideal conditions. On LI sound, I very rarely get above 3000 rpm or so with my 150. I'd opt for a Johnson/Suzuki 140 4 stroke for repower- you'd probably sacrifice 2-3 knots on the top end for about 6 mpg vs. about 4 or so with a 2 smoke. Other issue is a lot of lakes are looking at outlawing 2 smokes, especially in CA.
posted 07-01-2003 11:20 PM ET (US)
You've got a fine rig there in that 18', Carolina, and I'm with padrefigure. Go for the least weight for the horsepower. Check the stats, and you'll find that'll be a Johnson/OMC 2-stroke. And definitely put the max-rated horsepower on that hull, which would be a 150, of course. The Suzuki 4x140 weighs about 50 pounds more than the Johnson 2x150 and costs more, too. Goin' with that chubby li'l 140 will be like choosin' to permanently put a fat man in the stern o' your boat. If you're worried about pond floatin' in California, rent a canoe when you get there.
posted 07-02-2003 09:37 AM ET (US)
Here we go again.....
Carolina, I repowered an '89 Outrage 18 with a 140 Suzuki 4-stroke 2 months ago. My boat had an '89 Evinrude 150 which, I believe, is virtually identical to the new carbed 150 Johnson (design has not changed much). Everyone is correct in that you will lose top end by going to the Suzuki. My boat used to go 48 mph and now "only" goes 45. Hole shot is roughly the same with MAYBE 1/2 second slower with the Suzuki. I still need to install my Dowl-fin to see how it compares. Fuel usage went from about 2.5 mpg to over 6 mpg (and I will repost the trip data if anyone is interested). The weight of the Suzuki is 421 lbs vs 391 lbs for the Johnson. Any other 150 hp outboard weighs more than the Suzuki so the boat will not sit any lower in the water. Noise also greatly declined. Before, I could not hear my boat's stereo if I was above trolling speed. Now, I can talk on my cell phone at 4000 rpm (if I can hide from the wind). At idle, all I hear is the splash from the water tell-tale.
All companies have improved their engines over the past 14 years from what I had though. Although, the Johnson has changed the least. Anyway, any new outboard that you install will perform well and you should be happy with it.
Good luck in your search and let me pre-maturely welcome you to "the family"!!!
posted 07-02-2003 10:09 AM ET (US)
The 1989 150 OMC motors are NOT the same as the NEW OMC/BOMBARDIER 150's. The NEW 60 degree loop charged engines I believe are 1992 and above are GREAT compared to the old 90 degree cross flow models.
I replaced the old 1987 150 evinrude on my 18' with a 1997 johnson abd I can tell you what a difference. Stay away from ficht however.
posted 07-02-2003 02:35 PM ET (US)
My bad....sorry about the confusion.
posted 07-02-2003 02:42 PM ET (US)
I think he should get a Yamaha.
posted 07-02-2003 11:53 PM ET (US)
I'm a new forum user and I am also in the process (as we speak) of purchasing a 1984 Outrage 18 that needs re-powering. This is my first Whaler so I'm looking forward to getting the boat and getting it in the water. I have to agree with the others, that there is a wealth of helpful information here in the various forums and from what I've seen, everyone here is very friendly and very knowledgeable. I think the two stroke/four stroke debate depends on where and how you will be using your boat and what your expectations of performance are, not to mention the environmental issues. And I guess that other variables to consider are new or used and whether or not cost is a huge factor.
I live in California and after much research into all the variables and the current and upcoming environmental/emission regulations, I have decided to go with the four stroke. Additionally, I recently talked with the local Yamaha dealer and found out that Yamaha is coming out with a 150hp four stroke in the 2004 model year. The dealer told me that they are going to start shipping the new F 150s in August sometime. I have already sent him a deposit for one of the motors and we are egarly anticipating their arrival. I would encourage you to do your homework and read all you can here in the forum. Also, if you go to the Yamaha website, they have performance reviews of different boat/motor combinations that will give you a pretty good idea of what you might expect. Unfortunately, the Yamaha website does not even list the new F 150 yet. I hope I've given you some helpful information and wish you the best with your Whaler. Happy Whalering...
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posted 07-03-2003 01:06 AM ET (US)
The first fichts weren't very good, Mercury optimax are no better, Yamahas HPDI is having too many problems, Yamahas 4 stroke have been melting their exhausts and are having some valve problems. Suzuki, in the beginning were breaking some cam shafts. Hondas 115/130 were cracking their exhaust part of the block and their heads in the beginning. Some Honda 225 are being replaced because of low oil pressure. And now Rjgorian has a deposit on an engine that isn't even in production yet. And their is an inference that 2 stroke ficht won't be made for long. I do like Suzukis, but 2 strokes are here to stay. Ficht, now is a quality engine and on most boats is more powerful and more fuel efficient than 4 strokes, but only by a narrow margin. Some of the reasons are the ficht is lighter and has less internal friction since it doesn't have to waste power spinning a cam shaft and opening and closing valves. The reason that four strokes are going to fuel injection is that they, like everybody else, are having problems meeting low emission standards. Good luck in your choice.
posted 07-03-2003 09:47 AM ET (US)
That cam thing happened to like 2 engines over 5 years and due to faulty dealer timing belt service. I hate to say it but Suzuki is the only one with a clean record.....but their dealer network sucks. Getting better, especially with Johnson being Suzuki for the most part.
posted 07-03-2003 09:50 AM ET (US)
PS I agree on the Yammie. What info do they have? Weight, CID? Etc. How much is it and I bet they are asking list price. I think Yamahas are great engines but for the money there are better choices, especialy when the 4 strokes are identical to Mercury and cost thousands more.
posted 07-03-2003 10:53 AM ET (US)
The dealer told me that the new F 150 will weigh approximately the same as the current F 115 (which is 402 lbs). However, the block of the F 150 will be a different (redesigned) block with larger dispacement than the F 115 but I'm not sure what the displacement is. And, it will be an inline four cylinder. The price of the F 150 (at my dealer anyway) is $10,450. The engines are in production and they will start being delivered to the dealers in August 2003. As soon as they arrive, my boat will be in for re-powering. That's all the info I have so far...
posted 07-03-2003 11:10 AM ET (US)
The 2000 model-year 2-cycle carbed Johnson 150 VXSS on the back o' mah Outrage-18' is listed as weighin' 375 pounds. That's 25 pounds of engine weight for every 10 horsepower. The Yamaha 4-stroke F115 that you can buy today is listed at 398 pounds, or 35 pounds per 10 horsepower. Pound for pound, that would be a weight gain of 40% off the back o' mah rig for the same horsepower.
Anyone got the listed weight of that new 4-stroke Yamaha 150, so we can continue the factual comparison? Based on the F115's pounds per horsepower, we might expect it to top 500 pounds! Say it ain't so.
posted 07-03-2003 12:48 PM ET (US)
We might be in luck with that new Yamaha. Suzuki's 140 weighs about the same as their 115....Maybe Yamaha will be good to us and do the same.....
posted 07-18-2003 06:23 PM ET (US)
I am about to repower a 1985 18' Outrage thanks to a 1997 evinrude ficht with 300 hours that blew two cylinders this month. I had lots of trouble with this engine since I bought it new in 1997. I am not going to fix it. It was too frustrating. Reliability has new meaning to me so I am leaning toward a Honda 130 4X. I troll blue water in Florida and California and pull my nine kids tubing and skiing in Torch lake Michigan. I have heard about the Yamaha 150 coming out. I also heard today from a Honda dealer that they may have a 150 coming out. Summers are short here so I may stick to the 130. Any Naysayers out there on this choice.
posted 07-20-2003 06:42 PM ET (US)
I wouldn't go for the 500+ lb Honda 130 when a JohnZuki 140 is available at almost 100 lbs less.
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