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Bigshot posted 07-16-2003 03:00 PM ET (US)   Profile for Bigshot   Send Email to Bigshot  
I am considering selling my Mercedes ML320 because I drive a lot further to work now and would like something with a pulse. I was gonna tow the boat with the Jetta TDI but it is only rated at 1000lbs. The subaru WRX Wagon is good for 2k+. It is the 4cyl turbo all-wheel-drive with a 5spd. Besides running 5.3sec 0-60's and 13.9 1/4 mile, has anyone pulled a boat with one or even own one here?

My Newtauk weighs roughly 1700 dry w/alum. trailer. AWD will get me up the ramps no problem there. They also offer a factory tow hitch as well for $290.

Bigshot posted 07-16-2003 03:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot said they are actually rated at 2440lb capacity with 5spd but only available with class 2 hitch rated at 2k so hence the 2k capacity rating.
Taylor posted 07-16-2003 03:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
By now you probably know what my input is - a well designed small sports sedan with race bred brakes and suspension can handle a classic 17.

I don't have a WRX, but my neighbor and fellow car nut has a yellow sedan (don't get yellow) and I've spent some time talking with him about the performance and driveability. The WRX is a very popular car in the Northwest, I saw lots of them at the track on my last visit, too. In my neighbor's view its a finger in the face of every Audi S4. Same performance, less than half the cost. I think you will love the car.

There is quite a bit of suspension travel in the WRX, I think something like 8", so the one thing I would watch is the impact of tongue weight - I would not want to see the wagon squatting. On the engine side of the equation, that turbo engine might have some low speed torque issues getting started up a ramp, and I seem to recall some early issues with the WRX clutch.

Nice thing about the WRX wagon surprise factor when you blow someone out on the way back from the grocery store. Just make sure to tie down the grocery sacks first.

Bigshot posted 07-16-2003 03:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Yellow not avaiable on 04's....thank God.

Going Black or silver. White makes it look cheap, red looks like a small Ford Taurus, and the blue is way too loud. Black is my favorite but HOT in FL.

I want the wagon for the extra room, plus it is different and somewhat funny me:)

Duckin Whalers posted 07-16-2003 05:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Duckin Whalers  Send Email to Duckin Whalers     
Get a Subaru WRX, a friend of mine has one, they are great.

As for the tow vehicle, buy an old Ford with a 300cid in-line 6 cylinder. You can get a nice late model for around $2500 and you will be able to tow what ever you want. Save the wear and tear. If, you tow often, that little Subaru's clutch will get cooked, not to mention the safty factor involved with towing a boat with a sports car in no way designed to be used as a tow vehicle.

I shudder when I see guys towing anything more than a little jet ski with a lightweight car. When the wind picks up my little 13' can drag my 98 F-150 around a little. I just can agree with guys who tow anything over 1000lbs with a car. That is only my opinion and I'm sure many people out there have done it for years without incident.

Duckin Whalers posted 07-16-2003 05:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Duckin Whalers  Send Email to Duckin Whalers     
That is....I can't agree with.....
JBCornwell posted 07-16-2003 06:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
I think it's a really bad idea, Bigshot.

Not getting the WRX. It is a wonderful, quick, fast and nimble car. That is a great idea, and an adrenaline trip.

But towing with it? BLEAH!! Not even a 13!. Same for any small monocoque pocket rocket. You would be smarter to plow with a thoroughbred.

I have to agree with Duckin Whalers. Few single vehicles would be a better dual purpose vehicle than your ML320. If you gotta have a rocket sled, get a truck to tow with.

Red sky at night. . .

Dr T posted 07-16-2003 06:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dr T  Send Email to Dr T     
And besides, the pickup will make a theft proof car you can take to the airport.


BOB KEMMLER JR posted 07-16-2003 07:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for BOB KEMMLER JR    
thats odd,my owners manual for my glh turbo omni,says under no circumstances should you tow with a turbo engine.wsaid something about always being in boost,of course thats a 1986,and technology is light years beyond that.
adaps4 posted 07-16-2003 10:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for adaps4  Send Email to adaps4     
I agree- the turbo would constantly kick in. My girlfriend just got an Audi A4 automatic with tiptronic. This is the 1.8 4 cyl Turbo. The turbo kicks in at 2,500 rpms. Driving this thing with the tiptronic in stop and go, you can eat some gas. Right after she got it, I took it out for a spin without her. She would kill me if she saw what I was doing, but I just had to put it through its paces. I used 1/4 tank in about 20 minutes. Keep in mind, it was new, so the engine wasn't getting optimal mpg, but still.....
I think you would eat gas because the turbo would constantly be,well, in turbo. Great car though- I want to test drive one.

I tow with a '94 Pathfinder that I am looking to replace with a 70's Bronco. A Pathfinder or old 4-runner might be the ticket. You can get them pretty cheap, and they run forever with minimal maint. Old Jeeps never go out of style either,convertible, fun, and can handle towing a 17'. My philosophy has always been to have your tow/fun vehicle be seperate from your daily driver, but that is me.

Duckin Whalers posted 07-17-2003 01:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for Duckin Whalers  Send Email to Duckin Whalers     
My theory goes as this; If the towed vehicle(boat in this case) weighs over half the total tow vehicle weight, it is not a good tow vehicle. The Subaru WRX weighs roughly 3200lbs. Your boat will weight around 2000+lbs loaded.

My F-150 weights close to 5000lbs. Better idea.

A F-350 weights about 8000lbs. Best idea.

I just wouldn't feel comfortable towing anything that weights more than the vehicle towing it, I just don't think it is smart unless, you just live a few miles from the marina and never go out on the highway. It is constantly windy where I live and when I was working for the State Patrol I went to a scene were a guy was towing a 21' travel trailer with an S-10. All witnesses on the scene said the guy didn't swerve or anything, just popped right over on his side. Nobody was injured but, it was a huge mess. The travel trailer broke apart into a milliion peices. The S-10 didn't look to go for wear either.

quattro20vt posted 07-17-2003 01:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for quattro20vt  Send Email to quattro20vt     

If you want the WRX, go for it. I doubt you'll have a problem with it and a 1700# Newtauk. As Taylor alludes to, it is a spiritual successor (interloper?) to Audi's original Quattro (and the S4, in its most notorious current form).

As for turbos and being in the boost while towing, that's the whole purpose for having the turbo--to make an otherwise small engine behave much larger than it really is. The engine control technology today is so much different from the first turbos. There are a lot of protection systems built in to keep from hurting these cars.

The big issue (not for Bigshot) typically is tow vehicle weight vs. towed weight. I believe that is as much a lifestyle/ philosophical/ risk-acceptance issue as a real capability issue for towing most things under 3000#. How far are you going to go? At what speed do you wish to get there? Longer distances and higher speeds with more trailer weight relative to tow vehicle obviously increase your risk...what's your tolerance?

I've posted before about tow ratings on cars available in Europe vs. those same cars here...since Adaps4 mentioned the Audi A4 1.8t tip, here's the UK spec page on the closest car, an A4 1.8t manual:
partway down, you find tow ratings at 730 kg unbraked, 1400 kg on a 12% grade and 1600 kg on a 8% grade. (Go with quattro awd, and the ratings become 750, 1600 & 1800, respectively.) That's a 3520 pound rating in American-speak for a car weighing 3069 pounds. (3960 behind 3250 pounds with awd). All over Europe, I've seen a lot of very small cars towing good size camping trailers, though few boats. Of course, they don't go very fast (80-100 km/hr), but they do go far.

Jimm posted 07-17-2003 09:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jimm    
Never tow with a stick shift (if you can help it).
Bigshot posted 07-17-2003 10:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Thanks for the replies but I am aborting mission. I took the car home overnight and was not impressed. Actually I was impressed but not enough. Maybe this car had a problem but both me and my buddy ruled out it being a 5.4sec 0-60 machine. Felt more like 6.5+. She never had the WOW factor I was expecting. When you read car & driver and the quote stuff like "Blistering acceleration" and "runs like a scalded dog", etc I was not in agreement. Noisy as hell on the highway(wind,road) and.....well Ya can't go from a Benz to a Subaru plain and simple.
Mako posted 07-17-2003 10:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for Mako  Send Email to Mako     
You've gotta sidestep that clutch at 5000rpm to get under 6 seconds...

I was going to add that I believe Subaru recommends trailer brakes when towing over 1000 lbs, but you managed to beat my post.

Duckin Whalers posted 07-17-2003 10:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for Duckin Whalers  Send Email to Duckin Whalers     
Maybe a new BMW M3 would better fit the bill.
Normally aspirated, rear wheel drive. 330 hp, 0-60 around 4.9.
andygere posted 07-17-2003 11:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Keep your current tow vehicle and trade that TDI in on a 1.8T, the poor man's A4. My wife's '02 Wolfsburg has enough zip to put a smile on my face running up PCH, and sticks to the turns like glue. I would imagine it's at least as fast as the Subie, and it's built like, well, a German car. She gets around 30 mpg on her 80 mile per day commute.
soggy bottom boy posted 07-17-2003 12:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for soggy bottom boy  Send Email to soggy bottom boy     

I have done a fair bit of towing with my 2001 Subura Legacy GT (automatic/factory hitch), including a 1988 '13 Whaler with 30hp Yamaha 2 stroke. It isn't unmanageable, but you can certainly "feel" that you are towing. The AWD works wonders at slick ramps, even during icy duck season launches! At the end of the day you can probably tow with the WRX, but I wouldn't do long or frequent trips with it.


Bigshot posted 07-17-2003 02:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
1.8T Wolfsburg is 0-60 in 7.5secs....not fast enough for me. The TDI is a driving machine, literally. We bought it for one reason...50mpg. I got it new in mid-December and it is pushing 15k on the clock, can't get rid of that unless I want to support Iraq:)
adaps4 posted 07-17-2003 05:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for adaps4  Send Email to adaps4     
How about the new Volkswagon Tourag(sp?)? Their new SUV- I saw a lot of commercials while on vacation last week in CT. Looks nice- not sure how much power, but it looks like the Porsche Cayenne. This might be a good option.
JohnJ80 posted 07-17-2003 05:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for JohnJ80  Send Email to JohnJ80     
I had a saab turbo that i used to tow a hobie 18. The whole thing weighed less than 750lb including the trailer.

the turbo is a bad deal for towing. its always on and it drives the engine heat up very rapidly. so not only does it eat the gas, but you get other problems too.

if you run AC and other options, you can really load the engine heat wise. If something goes wrong - which it always did with that Saab - you can damage the engine very, very quickly.

find another car.


Backlash posted 07-17-2003 10:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
VW Touareg:
Engine: 310 bhp, 32-valve, DOHC V-8
Trans: 6-speed auto w/lockup torque converter
Towing capacity: 7700#
Curb weight: 5580#
0-60 MPH: 7.5 sec.
70-0 MPH: 170 feet
Top speed: 137 MPH
Lagged posted 07-17-2003 10:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Lagged  Send Email to Lagged     
It might be worth your time to look at a Land Rover Freelander ( if you are going the SUV route). It drives really sporty and tows well.

It goes from 60 - 0 in only 118 feet. You can use that to brag to all the owners any of the following:

BMW 330Ci
Ford Mustang Bullitt
Acura RSX Type S
Honda Prelude SH
Mitsubishi Eclipse GT
Honda Civic Si
Toyota Mr2 Spyder
BMW M Roadster
Porsche Boxster
Audi TT Quattro Roadster
Plymouth Prowler
Chevrolet Corvette Convertible

becuase your car stops faster :)

driven posted 07-18-2003 08:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for driven  Send Email to driven     
I am also in the market for a new sporty car to replace my SVT Contour. Got married last summer, and a babyseat is in my very, very near future. I have considered the REX wagon, but now seem more impressed with the Forester XT. It may look like the box a WRX came in, but with a detuned version of the STI engine, it will walk a WRX. Tow amount is 2400# with manual. I will continue to use one of my other vehicles for towing though.

If I were in the market for a sporty ride, but only one car fits in the driveway, look for a used Isuzu VehiCross. I absolutely love the way it can hug turns, fry some rice, and offroad with the best of them. Same powertrain as the much larger Trooper so 5K# is no problem, and if it is, Alpine makes a supercharger for it that makes it fly. Luckily when my wife was looking for a car last year, I was able to talk her into getting one. You will not regret it. Happy Trails.

jameso posted 07-18-2003 10:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for jameso  Send Email to jameso     
If you want to stay in the Teutonic state, I have a friend in Middle Ga with a Unimog. Not fast but would tow the Nimitz if we could find a trailer.
Jim Armstrong
Bigshot posted 07-18-2003 11:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Talked to a guy with the WRX wagon who just towed a u-haul down from Ontario, no problem he said. Who knows? That new VW is slick but too much money(high 30's). I may just keep the ML for a while longer and wait til they start deliverig Forester XT's in 5spd. Dealers only have auto's for now and it is not impressive with a slushpump and lowers tow capacity to 2k from 2440 plus adds $1000.

My ML just had $8k worth of warranty work done in June. New trans & transfer case, wiring harness, computer upgrades, and MAF sensor. Happy with that but unhappy that my warranty ran out the day it got out of the shop. Anything else happens on that and I am SCREWED. That is why I am looking for a new ride. On the flip, I only owe $6k on my Benz so I am not far to being payment free. But at this point I can still get a decent trade being I am at 45000 miles. It may pay to tade now before I hit the 50k mark, etc. I am so CONFUSED!

nevada posted 07-18-2003 12:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for nevada  Send Email to nevada     
Hey Biggie, check out the Volvo XV90


nevada posted 07-18-2003 12:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for nevada  Send Email to nevada     
I think the article fails to mention tow capacity, the 2.9 twin turbo is rated at 5000 lb and the 2.5 turbo is rated at 4000 lb.The biggest problem with this vehicle is that they are very difficult to find. Demand to this point has exceded supply. Several hundred of these and other high end european cars are on the bottom of the English Channel.


Bigshot posted 07-18-2003 12:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
I could never drive a Volvo but thanks for the help.
nevada posted 07-18-2003 01:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for nevada  Send Email to nevada     
Too boxy and slow?
Bigshot posted 07-18-2003 01:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
No....I am only 33 :)

nevada posted 07-18-2003 02:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for nevada  Send Email to nevada     
Here's one for an 18 year old :)
BOB KEMMLER JR posted 07-18-2003 02:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for BOB KEMMLER JR    
i got a 1986 dodge omni glh-s,about 280-320 hp depending on the boost levels run,weight 2250 lbs,0-60 4.5?,cost under $3000.personally i would like to get a neon srt-4,saw one run 12.99's on slicks and it had NO mods done at all,watched him spank car after car all day long including new vette,supra's,z-28's,some older big block stuff and all that for under $20 grand,but yea it's still a neon,but thats kinda the fun part of it all
rubadub555 posted 10-29-2003 08:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for rubadub555  Send Email to rubadub555     
My 1980 Montauk and Suzuki 85 travel on a new Continental trailer, behind our Acura MDX. Fine combo, so far so good.
I'm tired, however, of having to swipe my wife's MDX to get wet. I drive a 1999 BMW 328is, five speed, paid for.
I only tow two miles to the ramp. There's another ramp that's ten miles one way. No highway miles, low speed.
If tongue weight-induced squatting is not a problem with my trailer trim, can/should I try it?
The BMW people are noncommittal.
I like this car alot, and am reluctant to take on a second traditional tow vehicle.
Does anyone actually use a car like mine to tow a Montauk?
thanks in advance good people
rubadub555 posted 10-29-2003 08:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for rubadub555  Send Email to rubadub555     
Forgot to say, searched this thread,,
saw Tom Clark and Taylor's encouraging opinions,
but wanted a better airing.
Bigshot posted 10-29-2003 11:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Should not be a problem. I towed my Montauk with my Mercedes 560SEC & Cadillac deville all the time.
BQUICK posted 10-29-2003 12:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for BQUICK  Send Email to BQUICK     
Hey Bob
Neon turbos do not run 12.99 stock, slicks or not.
13.99 maybe. sorry. A second is a lifetime in drag racing.


Bigshot posted 10-29-2003 02:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
04 Dodge Neon SRT-4 as per Road & Track 6/03:

215hp, 0-60 5.6sec, 0-100 13.9
1/4mile: 14.2@101.5, top speed:148mph

No mods my ass, at LEAST a 100hp cheater bottle.

Barney posted 10-29-2003 08:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
This is an idea, buy the basic 2.4 liter Toyota Tacoma, with either transmission, auto or 5-speed. Just get Toyota's supercharger option available on the 2.4 for about $3000. Would be a sleeper. Might have to upgrade the rear tires.
dgoodhue posted 10-30-2003 10:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for dgoodhue  Send Email to dgoodhue     
My concern would be with the turbo. A turbo produce boost with the engine under load. Towing a boat will produce more of a load on the engine. A turbo making boost isn't a bad thing, but the associated heat, may over tax the cooling system (escpecially the oil). A 18 wheelers Truck use turbo deisel but the cooling sytem is design for towing.

How far and what type of roads do you normally tow? Relatively short trips and back roads would be ideal. Long highway trips though mountains is going tax the cooling sytem. I would atleast use synthetic motor oil as it hold up better is high temperature situations.

As for Neon running 12.9 with slick, I don't think the have enough hp to get thier stock, but it probably would only take another 25-30 hp with stick tires. Toyota Tacoma 4 cylinders with SC (even the V6 are) are relatively slow when compared to a WRX. A Ford Lightning would do the job 5000lb tow capacity, high 13 sec 1/4 miles, the only problem is they are 2wd.

DaveH posted 10-30-2003 03:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for DaveH  Send Email to DaveH     

Please see the url for the proper installation of the OEM tow hitch for an BMW 3 series (E46) just like yours:

This guy who performed this installation did a top notch job. I believe the 3 series tow capacity is just under 1400Kg or 3000 lbs. This car will tow your Montauk without any difficulty.

Contact me if you have any difficulty with the Parts Counter at BMW, they must look on the "ETK" CD parts list from Europe to get the proper pricing.


Taylor posted 10-30-2003 04:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
Rubadub555 asks 'Does anyone actually use a car like mine to tow a Montauk'. You be other than me :) My car is an E30, so it is not exactly the same.

I found that squat was not a problem at all - my suspension seems to take the tongue weight with no problem, and only an inch or two drop. I don't know what the actual tongue weight is.. I can lift it, but only just, so it must be about 150-200. The great thing about the tongue weight is that the rear end of the car stays glued to the road. On my recent drive to Sekiu (must be a couple of hundred miles) I encountered what can best be described as a 'sports car' road. Losts of twisty turnies (and one state trooper with a speed trap at the end of a long straight... going the other way.) The BMW/Montauk rig ran just great. My biggest worry was sliding the back end of the boat off the trailer. Vrrrooommmmmm.

My experience at the BMW parts counter was less encouraging than Dave's statments, but if you can get the Euro tow hitch part - go for it.

I've been ogling the following towing vehicle: . Note the 1200kg euro hitch. Goes with the Euro E30 318 wagon and the Euro M3 engine.

striper swiper posted 10-30-2003 07:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for striper swiper    
I once made the mistake of BUYING a SUBARU.The cars are over priced, small dealer networks for service, quirky to work on for the shade tree mechanic,parts are exspensive, deprciate like a lead sinker ,and after getting ripped -off at a dealer the corporate office could care less.subarus are the worst so called japanese cars on the market .i believe some models are manufactured in the U.S.Check the resale values in nada.Also ,check the ads for used subarus ,unlike boston whalers there arent many older models for sale ;they turn to Junk.
Whalerologist posted 10-30-2003 10:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerologist  Send Email to Whalerologist     
04 Dodge Neon SRT-4 as per Road & Track 6/03:
215hp, 0-60 5.6sec, 0-100 13.9
1/4mile: 14.2@101.5, top speed:148mph

No mods my ass, at LEAST a 100hp cheater bottle.

For the $$, I believe the Neon 2004 model is the best perf value out there; Beats the hell out of 30 + K for a
WRX whichj you didn't like. The 04 has about 15 more HP than 03 model and also a Quaiffe Diff for good starts and traction. Big issue here in Chicago winter.

My clients love their Neons and feel they get a bad rap. As a former SCCA Neon Racer, I can tell you this, for the $$ , the ONLY car that can out handle it is a modified Mazda Miata. It'll smoke the Miata in a straight line and qtr mile. I don't know how it tows but have driven the 04 model and for $ 19 large, it rocks.

I ran a Neon ACR for three years in SCCA and its stone cold reliable. In fact, when we did the racing school in Rockford/Belvidere, IL where they're made, we never broke one. I recall driving Crystal Bernards car and it rocked (she was from WINGS, the show).

For the $$, check it out Bigshot, you may like it. And to boot, I don't even sell cars!!!!

Its about the only small car other than an Audi S4 that makes me nervous in my ML-55 AMG.


Bigshot posted 10-31-2003 01:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
I will never own a newer Mopar. Reason being we do not have emmissions or inspection in FL(most counties) and when you are at a light and a car is blowing smoke.....always a Mopar product(trucks excluded). Maybe they are getting better but I'll stick to a Challenger or Roadrunner if I am gonna run one.....panther pink of course:)
DaveH posted 10-31-2003 02:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for DaveH  Send Email to DaveH     

I agree 100% about Mopar products. My wife can even identify them at lights as she reaches for the recirculation button on the A/C. She always asks, "Why do they always seem to chug blue smoke?" I smile over at her and say, "Slowpar emissions are less stringent than other cars".

Techmage posted 10-31-2003 04:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Techmage  Send Email to Techmage     
I tow my 150 Sport with a 2002 Forester. Only way I know its back there is that it takes longer to get up to speed. I use a lot of unaficial boat ramps (read back it down a dirt/mud ditch) when I fish fresh water, haveing AWD is nice for that.
randrewevans posted 11-04-2003 11:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for randrewevans  Send Email to randrewevans     
Better learn how to fight.....In Texas you would get shot by some guy in a ford dually towing a skeeter bassboat for driving a tow vehicle like that.....
SuburbanBoy posted 11-05-2003 12:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for SuburbanBoy  Send Email to SuburbanBoy     
The last "Skeeter" I saw was taking water over the bow out on Lake Michigan. They towed him in with a Guardian... Great pond boats.


randrewevans posted 11-05-2003 09:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for randrewevans  Send Email to randrewevans     
Guess that Subaru is like a moped, really fun to drive until your friends catch you.
Put a gun rack in it or at the very least a "NRA" decal on the back window....something manly for cryin' out loud!
Bigshot posted 11-05-2003 10:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Man you know nothing about WRX's. Aint no redneck gonna catch you unless he's driving a Porche or a Vette, etc. No stock truck made can do what they can speed wise. Why the heck do you think they constantly win the wprld ralley races?
BQUICK posted 11-05-2003 01:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for BQUICK  Send Email to BQUICK     
Mitsubishis tend to be smokers, too.
Chrysler was using Mitsu motors for a while till they made their own.
A buddy works at a Chrysler dealer and he is about to be laid off as they are going under.
He said they thought the PTcruiser was going to save them but didn't happen.
Daimler wants out.....


Tom2697 posted 11-05-2003 04:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom2697  Send Email to Tom2697     
No true redneck would ever be caught driving a stock truck! I used to be made fun of for driving a FOREIGN pickup until I pulled out 2 Chevys and a Ford.

On another note, Dodge's SRT-10 with the 550hp Viper motor comes awefully close! So does the Ford Lightning SVT, especially when hooked up with the juice!

Different strokes for different folks I guess. Thank (insert any deity you desire here) that we all agree on Whalers!

Regarding Chrysler, the lawsuit against Daimler by the former stockholders is kind of screwing up the company. Why should money be invested into a division that you have a good probability of losing control over?

randrewevans posted 11-06-2003 12:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for randrewevans  Send Email to randrewevans     
Glad you ain't from Texas....ain't never heard of them unless those are the rallies with Grave Digger and Bigfoot... I saw a Brat down here for $1500 with the optional jump seats in the bed....maybe that is a more masculine tow truck....or is it a car....

like a mullet hair in the front AND A PARTY IN THE BACK!!!!

HAPPYJIM posted 11-06-2003 04:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for HAPPYJIM  Send Email to HAPPYJIM     
Grave Digger for a tow vehicle???

Now that would be the ultimate macho rig!!!

Tom2697 posted 11-06-2003 09:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom2697  Send Email to Tom2697     
Isn't Subaru calling the "new" Brat the Baja?
Bigshot posted 11-06-2003 12:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Yup! No seats in the bed though.

I forgot about the SVT lightning but that is only 2wd. No REAL redneck has a 2wd truck unless he is too poor to buy a 4wd. Tough Jackin dear in a muddy field without it.

Reminds me of a Brett Butler routine I saw once where she was talking about "getting some" in a pickup holding on to the gun rack yellin, "Hey Bubba! is the safety on?"

Tom2697 posted 11-06-2003 12:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom2697  Send Email to Tom2697     
When I was in college, Ford's SVT unit came to show off some of their prototypes. The Taurus SHO, Thunderbird SC, the Mustang SVT (4 cylinder!) and the Lightning were among them. The only thing about this Lightning was that it was a 4x4!!! I asked when I could buy one and the guy just laughed... :-(
Gene in NC posted 11-13-2003 10:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for Gene in NC  Send Email to Gene in NC     
Bigshot, think about matching classic with classic. Consider a BMW 2002 or an '87 325is.

The '02 trans has a low first gear whch gives plenty of lug to get up the ramp, will tow on highway w/o a problem, is a fun car to drive all around, and the '02 is at least as much of a cult thing as the New/Montauk. Both are exceptional engineering accomplishments with long term staying power is based on overall utility and low weight. The BMW '02 weighs about 2,200.

Have experience towing Sakonnet with BMW in piedmont NC. That means rolling terrain to you Floridians with F350 diesels pulling 13'. Third gear up hills on mine because the radiator needed cleaning but not for lack of power. With 3.46 diff, 100 torquey hp and only 2,200 lbs it is a pulling machine.

Or you could get a 325is. Taylor can tell you more about that, but with 168hp and a 3.73 diff it is a blast to drive and in time will prove to be a collector car like the '02. Yes, I own both.

The '02 matches the vintage of the 16'7"s and the 325 matches the Montauk era. Bought my Sakonnet in '67 and first '02 in '68

The brakes on the trailer can be replaced every couple of years for less than the cost of a tuneup on the Benz.

Bigshot posted 11-13-2003 10:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
A 3 series....are you serious? I thought only college students bought those.


Eric posted 11-17-2003 10:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eric  Send Email to Eric     
Ford Lightning submission to Guiness Book of World Records for fastest stock pickup truck: average of 2 runs 147.7 MPH. Folded back the mirrors and removed the antenna mast.

Just wait until the third generation Lightning comes out. The new 2004 5.4 has three valves per cylinder. These heads flow the same as the 4 valve Cobra heads.
An interesting thing is how the two supercharged Fords (Cobra and Lightning) are all dynoing more than the factory power ratings.

teeroler posted 11-24-2003 02:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for teeroler  Send Email to teeroler     
First off, I'm new to the forum so hello everyone. I don't own a Whaler yet but I'm getting real close.


What year is your VW Jetta? I have a 2000 Golf TDI with chip and tow a 1200lbs. boat and trailer. The MKIV VW's are capable of towing 2600lbs. with the proper hitch and trailer brakes. I have a Draw-tite hitch rated at 2000lbs. and have no problems at all. I can cruise between 75-80mph all day long and still get 35+ mpg. Just my 2 cents.


Bigshot posted 11-24-2003 03:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
2002 wih upsolute tuning box, automatic trans. Still have the Benz so no need to tow with the smoker yet.

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