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Subaru WRX for towing Newport 17?
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posted 07-16-2003 03:00 PM ET (US)
I am considering selling my Mercedes ML320 because I drive a lot further to work now and would like something with a pulse. I was gonna tow the boat with the Jetta TDI but it is only rated at 1000lbs. The subaru WRX Wagon is good for 2k+. It is the 4cyl turbo all-wheel-drive with a 5spd. Besides running 5.3sec 0-60's and 13.9 1/4 mile, has anyone pulled a boat with one or even own one here?
My Newtauk weighs roughly 1700 dry w/alum. trailer. AWD will get me up the ramps no problem there. They also offer a factory tow hitch as well for $290.
posted 07-16-2003 03:03 PM ET (US)
PS...dealer said they are actually rated at 2440lb capacity with 5spd but only available with class 2 hitch rated at 2k so hence the 2k capacity rating.
posted 07-16-2003 03:41 PM ET (US)
By now you probably know what my input is - a well designed small sports sedan with race bred brakes and suspension can handle a classic 17.
I don't have a WRX, but my neighbor and fellow car nut has a yellow sedan (don't get yellow) and I've spent some time talking with him about the performance and driveability. The WRX is a very popular car in the Northwest, I saw lots of them at the track on my last visit, too. In my neighbor's view its a finger in the face of every Audi S4. Same performance, less than half the cost. I think you will love the car.
There is quite a bit of suspension travel in the WRX, I think something like 8", so the one thing I would watch is the impact of tongue weight - I would not want to see the wagon squatting. On the engine side of the equation, that turbo engine might have some low speed torque issues getting started up a ramp, and I seem to recall some early issues with the WRX clutch.
Nice thing about the WRX wagon surprise factor when you blow someone out on the way back from the grocery store. Just make sure to tie down the grocery sacks first.
posted 07-16-2003 03:50 PM ET (US)
Yellow not avaiable on 04's....thank God.
Going Black or silver. White makes it look cheap, red looks like a small Ford Taurus, and the blue is way too loud. Black is my favorite but HOT in FL.
I want the wagon for the extra room, plus it is different and somewhat funny looking....like me:)
posted 07-16-2003 05:22 PM ET (US)
Get a Subaru WRX, a friend of mine has one, they are great.
As for the tow vehicle, buy an old Ford with a 300cid in-line 6 cylinder. You can get a nice late model for around $2500 and you will be able to tow what ever you want. Save the wear and tear. If, you tow often, that little Subaru's clutch will get cooked, not to mention the safty factor involved with towing a boat with a sports car in no way designed to be used as a tow vehicle.
I shudder when I see guys towing anything more than a little jet ski with a lightweight car. When the wind picks up my little 13' can drag my 98 F-150 around a little. I just can agree with guys who tow anything over 1000lbs with a car. That is only my opinion and I'm sure many people out there have done it for years without incident.
posted 07-16-2003 05:24 PM ET (US)
That is....I can't agree with.....
posted 07-16-2003 06:46 PM ET (US)
I think it's a really bad idea, Bigshot.
Not getting the WRX. It is a wonderful, quick, fast and nimble car. That is a great idea, and an adrenaline trip.
But towing with it? BLEAH!! Not even a 13!. Same for any small monocoque pocket rocket. You would be smarter to plow with a thoroughbred.
I have to agree with Duckin Whalers. Few single vehicles would be a better dual purpose vehicle than your ML320. If you gotta have a rocket sled, get a truck to tow with.
Red sky at night. . .
posted 07-16-2003 06:59 PM ET (US)
And besides, the pickup will make a theft proof car you can take to the airport.
|BOB KEMMLER JR||
posted 07-16-2003 07:10 PM ET (US)
thats odd,my owners manual for my glh turbo omni,says under no circumstances should you tow with a turbo engine.wsaid something about always being in boost,of course thats a 1986,and technology is light years beyond that.
posted 07-16-2003 10:53 PM ET (US)
I agree- the turbo would constantly kick in. My girlfriend just got an Audi A4 automatic with tiptronic. This is the 1.8 4 cyl Turbo. The turbo kicks in at 2,500 rpms. Driving this thing with the tiptronic in stop and go, you can eat some gas. Right after she got it, I took it out for a spin without her. She would kill me if she saw what I was doing, but I just had to put it through its paces. I used 1/4 tank in about 20 minutes. Keep in mind, it was new, so the engine wasn't getting optimal mpg, but still.....
I think you would eat gas because the turbo would constantly be,well, in turbo. Great car though- I want to test drive one.
I tow with a '94 Pathfinder that I am looking to replace with a 70's Bronco. A Pathfinder or old 4-runner might be the ticket. You can get them pretty cheap, and they run forever with minimal maint. Old Jeeps never go out of style either,convertible, fun, and can handle towing a 17'. My philosophy has always been to have your tow/fun vehicle be seperate from your daily driver, but that is me.
posted 07-17-2003 01:40 AM ET (US)
My theory goes as this; If the towed vehicle(boat in this case) weighs over half the total tow vehicle weight, it is not a good tow vehicle. The Subaru WRX weighs roughly 3200lbs. Your boat will weight around 2000+lbs loaded.
My F-150 weights close to 5000lbs. Better idea.
A F-350 weights about 8000lbs. Best idea.
I just wouldn't feel comfortable towing anything that weights more than the vehicle towing it, I just don't think it is smart unless, you just live a few miles from the marina and never go out on the highway. It is constantly windy where I live and when I was working for the State Patrol I went to a scene were a guy was towing a 21' travel trailer with an S-10. All witnesses on the scene said the guy didn't swerve or anything, just popped right over on his side. Nobody was injured but, it was a huge mess. The travel trailer broke apart into a milliion peices. The S-10 didn't look to go for wear either.
posted 07-17-2003 01:53 AM ET (US)
If you want the WRX, go for it. I doubt you'll have a problem with it and a 1700# Newtauk. As Taylor alludes to, it is a spiritual successor (interloper?) to Audi's original Quattro (and the S4, in its most notorious current form).
As for turbos and being in the boost while towing, that's the whole purpose for having the turbo--to make an otherwise small engine behave much larger than it really is. The engine control technology today is so much different from the first turbos. There are a lot of protection systems built in to keep from hurting these cars.
The big issue (not for Bigshot) typically is tow vehicle weight vs. towed weight. I believe that is as much a lifestyle/ philosophical/ risk-acceptance issue as a real capability issue for towing most things under 3000#. How far are you going to go? At what speed do you wish to get there? Longer distances and higher speeds with more trailer weight relative to tow vehicle obviously increase your risk...what's your tolerance?
I've posted before about tow ratings on cars available in Europe vs. those same cars here...since Adaps4 mentioned the Audi A4 1.8t tip, here's the UK spec page on the closest car, an A4 1.8t manual:
posted 07-17-2003 09:58 AM ET (US)
Never tow with a stick shift (if you can help it).
posted 07-17-2003 10:08 AM ET (US)
Thanks for the replies but I am aborting mission. I took the car home overnight and was not impressed. Actually I was impressed but not enough. Maybe this car had a problem but both me and my buddy ruled out it being a 5.4sec 0-60 machine. Felt more like 6.5+. She never had the WOW factor I was expecting. When you read car & driver and the quote stuff like "Blistering acceleration" and "runs like a scalded dog", etc I was not in agreement. Noisy as hell on the highway(wind,road) and.....well Ya can't go from a Benz to a Subaru plain and simple.
posted 07-17-2003 10:14 AM ET (US)
You've gotta sidestep that clutch at 5000rpm to get under 6 seconds...
I was going to add that I believe Subaru recommends trailer brakes when towing over 1000 lbs, but you managed to beat my post.
posted 07-17-2003 10:36 AM ET (US)
Maybe a new BMW M3 would better fit the bill.
Normally aspirated, rear wheel drive. 330 hp, 0-60 around 4.9.
posted 07-17-2003 11:17 AM ET (US)
Keep your current tow vehicle and trade that TDI in on a 1.8T, the poor man's A4. My wife's '02 Wolfsburg has enough zip to put a smile on my face running up PCH, and sticks to the turns like glue. I would imagine it's at least as fast as the Subie, and it's built like, well, a German car. She gets around 30 mpg on her 80 mile per day commute.
|soggy bottom boy||
posted 07-17-2003 12:06 PM ET (US)
I have done a fair bit of towing with my 2001 Subura Legacy GT (automatic/factory hitch), including a 1988 '13 Whaler with 30hp Yamaha 2 stroke. It isn't unmanageable, but you can certainly "feel" that you are towing. The AWD works wonders at slick ramps, even during icy duck season launches! At the end of the day you can probably tow with the WRX, but I wouldn't do long or frequent trips with it.
posted 07-17-2003 02:12 PM ET (US)
1.8T Wolfsburg is 0-60 in 7.5secs....not fast enough for me. The TDI is a driving machine, literally. We bought it for one reason...50mpg. I got it new in mid-December and it is pushing 15k on the clock, can't get rid of that unless I want to support Iraq:)
posted 07-17-2003 05:43 PM ET (US)
How about the new Volkswagon Tourag(sp?)? Their new SUV- I saw a lot of commercials while on vacation last week in CT. Looks nice- not sure how much power, but it looks like the Porsche Cayenne. This might be a good option.
posted 07-17-2003 05:54 PM ET (US)
I had a saab turbo that i used to tow a hobie 18. The whole thing weighed less than 750lb including the trailer.
the turbo is a bad deal for towing. its always on and it drives the engine heat up very rapidly. so not only does it eat the gas, but you get other problems too.
if you run AC and other options, you can really load the engine heat wise. If something goes wrong - which it always did with that Saab - you can damage the engine very, very quickly.
find another car.
posted 07-17-2003 10:17 PM ET (US)
Engine: 310 bhp, 32-valve, DOHC V-8
Trans: 6-speed auto w/lockup torque converter
Towing capacity: 7700#
Curb weight: 5580#
0-60 MPH: 7.5 sec.
70-0 MPH: 170 feet
Top speed: 137 MPH
posted 07-17-2003 10:23 PM ET (US)
It might be worth your time to look at a Land Rover Freelander ( if you are going the SUV route). It drives really sporty and tows well.
It goes from 60 - 0 in only 118 feet. You can use that to brag to all the owners any of the following:
posted 07-18-2003 08:48 AM ET (US)
I am also in the market for a new sporty car to replace my SVT Contour. Got married last summer, and a babyseat is in my very, very near future. I have considered the REX wagon, but now seem more impressed with the Forester XT. It may look like the box a WRX came in, but with a detuned version of the STI engine, it will walk a WRX. Tow amount is 2400# with manual. I will continue to use one of my other vehicles for towing though.
If I were in the market for a sporty ride, but only one car fits in the driveway, look for a used Isuzu VehiCross. I absolutely love the way it can hug turns, fry some rice, and offroad with the best of them. Same powertrain as the much larger Trooper so 5K# is no problem, and if it is, Alpine makes a supercharger for it that makes it fly. Luckily when my wife was looking for a car last year, I was able to talk her into getting one. You will not regret it. Happy Trails.
posted 07-18-2003 10:32 AM ET (US)
If you want to stay in the Teutonic state, I have a friend in Middle Ga with a Unimog. Not fast but would tow the Nimitz if we could find a trailer.
posted 07-18-2003 11:27 AM ET (US)
Talked to a guy with the WRX wagon who just towed a u-haul down from Ontario, no problem he said. Who knows? That new VW is slick but too much money(high 30's). I may just keep the ML for a while longer and wait til they start deliverig Forester XT's in 5spd. Dealers only have auto's for now and it is not impressive with a slushpump and lowers tow capacity to 2k from 2440 plus adds $1000.
My ML just had $8k worth of warranty work done in June. New trans & transfer case, wiring harness, computer upgrades, and MAF sensor. Happy with that but unhappy that my warranty ran out the day it got out of the shop. Anything else happens on that and I am SCREWED. That is why I am looking for a new ride. On the flip, I only owe $6k on my Benz so I am not far to being payment free. But at this point I can still get a decent trade being I am at 45000 miles. It may pay to tade now before I hit the 50k mark, etc. I am so CONFUSED!
posted 07-18-2003 12:00 PM ET (US)
Hey Biggie, check out the Volvo XV90
posted 07-18-2003 12:12 PM ET (US)
I think the article fails to mention tow capacity, the 2.9 twin turbo is rated at 5000 lb and the 2.5 turbo is rated at 4000 lb.The biggest problem with this vehicle is that they are very difficult to find. Demand to this point has exceded supply. Several hundred of these and other high end european cars are on the bottom of the English Channel.
posted 07-18-2003 12:46 PM ET (US)
I could never drive a Volvo but thanks for the help.
posted 07-18-2003 01:34 PM ET (US)
Too boxy and slow?
posted 07-18-2003 01:50 PM ET (US)
No....I am only 33 :)
posted 07-18-2003 02:05 PM ET (US)
Here's one for an 18 year old :)
|BOB KEMMLER JR||
posted 07-18-2003 02:06 PM ET (US)
i got a 1986 dodge omni glh-s,about 280-320 hp depending on the boost levels run,weight 2250 lbs,0-60 4.5?,cost under $3000.personally i would like to get a neon srt-4,saw one run 12.99's on slicks and it had NO mods done at all,watched him spank car after car all day long including new vette,supra's,z-28's,some older big block stuff and all that for under $20 grand,but yea it's still a neon,but thats kinda the fun part of it all
posted 10-29-2003 08:39 AM ET (US)
My 1980 Montauk and Suzuki 85 travel on a new Continental trailer, behind our Acura MDX. Fine combo, so far so good.
I'm tired, however, of having to swipe my wife's MDX to get wet. I drive a 1999 BMW 328is, five speed, paid for.
I only tow two miles to the ramp. There's another ramp that's ten miles one way. No highway miles, low speed.
If tongue weight-induced squatting is not a problem with my trailer trim, can/should I try it?
The BMW people are noncommittal.
I like this car alot, and am reluctant to take on a second traditional tow vehicle.
Does anyone actually use a car like mine to tow a Montauk?
thanks in advance good people
posted 10-29-2003 08:50 AM ET (US)
Forgot to say, searched this thread, http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000822.htmlsay,
saw Tom Clark and Taylor's encouraging opinions,
but wanted a better airing.
posted 10-29-2003 11:15 AM ET (US)
Should not be a problem. I towed my Montauk with my Mercedes 560SEC & Cadillac deville all the time.
posted 10-29-2003 12:34 PM ET (US)
Neon turbos do not run 12.99 stock, slicks or not.
13.99 maybe. sorry. A second is a lifetime in drag racing.
posted 10-29-2003 02:31 PM ET (US)
04 Dodge Neon SRT-4 as per Road & Track 6/03:
No mods my ass, at LEAST a 100hp cheater bottle.
posted 10-29-2003 08:05 PM ET (US)
This is an idea, buy the basic 2.4 liter Toyota Tacoma, with either transmission, auto or 5-speed. Just get Toyota's supercharger option available on the 2.4 for about $3000. Would be a sleeper. Might have to upgrade the rear tires.
posted 10-30-2003 10:51 AM ET (US)
My concern would be with the turbo. A turbo produce boost with the engine under load. Towing a boat will produce more of a load on the engine. A turbo making boost isn't a bad thing, but the associated heat, may over tax the cooling system (escpecially the oil). A 18 wheelers Truck use turbo deisel but the cooling sytem is design for towing.
How far and what type of roads do you normally tow? Relatively short trips and back roads would be ideal. Long highway trips though mountains is going tax the cooling sytem. I would atleast use synthetic motor oil as it hold up better is high temperature situations.
As for Neon running 12.9 with slick, I don't think the have enough hp to get thier stock, but it probably would only take another 25-30 hp with stick tires. Toyota Tacoma 4 cylinders with SC (even the V6 are) are relatively slow when compared to a WRX. A Ford Lightning would do the job 5000lb tow capacity, high 13 sec 1/4 miles, the only problem is they are 2wd.
posted 10-30-2003 03:31 PM ET (US)
Please see the url for the proper installation of the OEM tow hitch for an BMW 3 series (E46) just like yours:
This guy who performed this installation did a top notch job. I believe the 3 series tow capacity is just under 1400Kg or 3000 lbs. This car will tow your Montauk without any difficulty.
Contact me if you have any difficulty with the Parts Counter at BMW, they must look on the "ETK" CD parts list from Europe to get the proper pricing.
posted 10-30-2003 04:26 PM ET (US)
Rubadub555 asks 'Does anyone actually use a car like mine to tow a Montauk'. You be other than me :) My car is an E30, so it is not exactly the same.
I found that squat was not a problem at all - my suspension seems to take the tongue weight with no problem, and only an inch or two drop. I don't know what the actual tongue weight is.. I can lift it, but only just, so it must be about 150-200. The great thing about the tongue weight is that the rear end of the car stays glued to the road. On my recent drive to Sekiu (must be a couple of hundred miles) I encountered what can best be described as a 'sports car' road. Losts of twisty turnies (and one state trooper with a speed trap at the end of a long straight... going the other way.) The BMW/Montauk rig ran just great. My biggest worry was sliding the back end of the boat off the trailer. Vrrrooommmmmm.
My experience at the BMW parts counter was less encouraging than Dave's statments, but if you can get the Euro tow hitch part - go for it.
I've been ogling the following towing vehicle:
http://www.willz.ca/ED74525.htm . Note the 1200kg euro hitch. Goes with the Euro E30 318 wagon and the Euro M3 engine.
posted 10-30-2003 07:31 PM ET (US)
I once made the mistake of BUYING a SUBARU.The cars are over priced, small dealer networks for service, quirky to work on for the shade tree mechanic,parts are exspensive, deprciate like a lead sinker ,and after getting ripped -off at a dealer the corporate office could care less.subarus are the worst so called japanese cars on the market .i believe some models are manufactured in the U.S.Check the resale values in nada.Also ,check the ads for used subarus ,unlike boston whalers there arent many older models for sale ;they turn to Junk.
posted 10-30-2003 10:09 PM ET (US)
04 Dodge Neon SRT-4 as per Road & Track 6/03:
215hp, 0-60 5.6sec, 0-100 13.9
1/4mile: email@example.com, top speed:148mph
No mods my ass, at LEAST a 100hp cheater bottle.
My clients love their Neons and feel they get a bad rap. As a former SCCA Neon Racer, I can tell you this, for the $$ , the ONLY car that can out handle it is a modified Mazda Miata. It'll smoke the Miata in a straight line and qtr mile. I don't know how it tows but have driven the 04 model and for $ 19 large, it rocks.
I ran a Neon ACR for three years in SCCA and its stone cold reliable. In fact, when we did the racing school in Rockford/Belvidere, IL where they're made, we never broke one. I recall driving Crystal Bernards car and it rocked (she was from WINGS, the show).
For the $$, check it out Bigshot, you may like it. And to boot, I don't even sell cars!!!!
Its about the only small car other than an Audi S4 that makes me nervous in my ML-55 AMG.
posted 10-31-2003 01:18 PM ET (US)
I will never own a newer Mopar. Reason being we do not have emmissions or inspection in FL(most counties) and when you are at a light and a car is blowing smoke.....always a Mopar product(trucks excluded). Maybe they are getting better but I'll stick to a Challenger or Roadrunner if I am gonna run one.....panther pink of course:)
posted 10-31-2003 02:38 PM ET (US)
I agree 100% about Mopar products. My wife can even identify them at lights as she reaches for the recirculation button on the A/C. She always asks, "Why do they always seem to chug blue smoke?" I smile over at her and say, "Slowpar emissions are less stringent than other cars".
posted 10-31-2003 04:49 PM ET (US)
I tow my 150 Sport with a 2002 Forester. Only way I know its back there is that it takes longer to get up to speed. I use a lot of unaficial boat ramps (read back it down a dirt/mud ditch) when I fish fresh water, haveing AWD is nice for that.
posted 11-04-2003 11:22 PM ET (US)
Better learn how to fight.....In Texas you would get shot by some guy in a ford dually towing a skeeter bassboat for driving a tow vehicle like that.....
posted 11-05-2003 12:22 AM ET (US)
The last "Skeeter" I saw was taking water over the bow out on Lake Michigan. They towed him in with a Guardian... Great pond boats.
posted 11-05-2003 09:21 AM ET (US)
Guess that Subaru is like a moped, really fun to drive until your friends catch you.
Put a gun rack in it or at the very least a "NRA" decal on the back window....something manly for cryin' out loud!
posted 11-05-2003 10:40 AM ET (US)
Man you know nothing about WRX's. Aint no redneck gonna catch you unless he's driving a Porche or a Vette, etc. No stock truck made can do what they can speed wise. Why the heck do you think they constantly win the wprld ralley races?
posted 11-05-2003 01:58 PM ET (US)
Mitsubishis tend to be smokers, too.
Chrysler was using Mitsu motors for a while till they made their own.
A buddy works at a Chrysler dealer and he is about to be laid off as they are going under.
He said they thought the PTcruiser was going to save them but didn't happen.
Daimler wants out.....
posted 11-05-2003 04:50 PM ET (US)
No true redneck would ever be caught driving a stock truck! I used to be made fun of for driving a FOREIGN pickup until I pulled out 2 Chevys and a Ford.
On another note, Dodge's SRT-10 with the 550hp Viper motor comes awefully close! So does the Ford Lightning SVT, especially when hooked up with the juice!
Different strokes for different folks I guess. Thank (insert any deity you desire here) that we all agree on Whalers!
Regarding Chrysler, the lawsuit against Daimler by the former stockholders is kind of screwing up the company. Why should money be invested into a division that you have a good probability of losing control over?
posted 11-06-2003 12:13 AM ET (US)
Glad you ain't from Texas....ain't never heard of them unless those are the rallies with Grave Digger and Bigfoot... I saw a Brat down here for $1500 with the optional jump seats in the bed....maybe that is a more masculine tow truck....or is it a car....
like a mullet hair cut....business in the front AND A PARTY IN THE BACK!!!!
posted 11-06-2003 04:06 AM ET (US)
Grave Digger for a tow vehicle???
Now that would be the ultimate macho rig!!!
posted 11-06-2003 09:33 AM ET (US)
Isn't Subaru calling the "new" Brat the Baja?
posted 11-06-2003 12:14 PM ET (US)
Yup! No seats in the bed though.
I forgot about the SVT lightning but that is only 2wd. No REAL redneck has a 2wd truck unless he is too poor to buy a 4wd. Tough Jackin dear in a muddy field without it.
Reminds me of a Brett Butler routine I saw once where she was talking about "getting some" in a pickup holding on to the gun rack yellin, "Hey Bubba! is the safety on?"
posted 11-06-2003 12:24 PM ET (US)
When I was in college, Ford's SVT unit came to show off some of their prototypes. The Taurus SHO, Thunderbird SC, the Mustang SVT (4 cylinder!) and the Lightning were among them. The only thing about this Lightning was that it was a 4x4!!! I asked when I could buy one and the guy just laughed... :-(
|Gene in NC||
posted 11-13-2003 10:28 AM ET (US)
Bigshot, think about matching classic with classic. Consider a BMW 2002 or an '87 325is.
The '02 trans has a low first gear whch gives plenty of lug to get up the ramp, will tow on highway w/o a problem, is a fun car to drive all around, and the '02 is at least as much of a cult thing as the New/Montauk. Both are exceptional engineering accomplishments with long term staying power is based on overall utility and low weight. The BMW '02 weighs about 2,200.
Have experience towing Sakonnet with BMW in piedmont NC. That means rolling terrain to you Floridians with F350 diesels pulling 13'. Third gear up hills on mine because the radiator needed cleaning but not for lack of power. With 3.46 diff, 100 torquey hp and only 2,200 lbs it is a pulling machine.
Or you could get a 325is. Taylor can tell you more about that, but with 168hp and a 3.73 diff it is a blast to drive and in time will prove to be a collector car like the '02. Yes, I own both.
The '02 matches the vintage of the 16'7"s and the 325 matches the Montauk era. Bought my Sakonnet in '67 and first '02 in '68
The brakes on the trailer can be replaced every couple of years for less than the cost of a tuneup on the Benz.
posted 11-13-2003 10:36 AM ET (US)
A 3 series....are you serious? I thought only college students bought those.
posted 11-17-2003 10:54 PM ET (US)
Ford Lightning submission to Guiness Book of World Records for fastest stock pickup truck: average of 2 runs 147.7 MPH. Folded back the mirrors and removed the antenna mast.
Just wait until the third generation Lightning comes out. The new 2004 5.4 has three valves per cylinder. These heads flow the same as the 4 valve Cobra heads.
posted 11-24-2003 02:20 PM ET (US)
First off, I'm new to the forum so hello everyone. I don't own a Whaler yet but I'm getting real close.
What year is your VW Jetta? I have a 2000 Golf TDI with chip and tow a 1200lbs. boat and trailer. The MKIV VW's are capable of towing 2600lbs. with the proper hitch and trailer brakes. I have a Draw-tite hitch rated at 2000lbs. and have no problems at all. I can cruise between 75-80mph all day long and still get 35+ mpg. Just my 2 cents.
posted 11-24-2003 03:12 PM ET (US)
2002 wih upsolute tuning box, automatic trans. Still have the Benz so no need to tow with the smoker yet.
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