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72outrage posted 08-02-2003 05:49 PM ET (US)   Profile for 72outrage   Send Email to 72outrage  
Well, I went to the local Merc. dealer and was quoted.

New 2002- 175 EFI 20" Freshwater series- $8,295. (he said there is no difference between fresh and saltwater series, just decals)I don't know about any of you??

New 2002- 150 Optimax 20" $9,395 3yr warr.
New 2003- 200 EFI 20" $ 8,975. 2yr warr.
New 2003- 150 Carb 20" $ 7,850 2yr warr.

Hydr. Jack Plate- $ 650.
Control Package- $ 440.
SS Prop - $ 350.
SC1000 gage- $ 425.
Labor- $ 1,250.

Total- $ 3,115. + Motor!

What do you guy's think?

If I went with the 150 Optimax,and eveything,

$ 12,510.00

Jamie 20 outrage posted 08-02-2003 08:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jamie 20 outrage  Send Email to Jamie 20 outrage     
I have a 20 outrage and am likely to repower in the next couple of months. I am not going Merc, but will assume the factors are the same. You need to pick the horsepower that will make you happy. I personally am happy with good acceleration, having the engine a bit more than what will do the job. This means to me six cylinders. Next I am super happy at 25knots. This removes the neccesity of the larger blocks with the extra unneeded weight. This left me with a 175.. This little excersize was not meant to sway you, just that you can compare your thoughts with my thought process. I will probably only turn about 3400 when cruising, this will leave the engine running easy, with alot of room to last a long time. If I wasnt looking for having extra power I would have gone with the Suzuki 140. Does anybody know how many cylinders the suzuki 140 has?
Jamie 20 outrage posted 08-02-2003 08:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jamie 20 outrage  Send Email to Jamie 20 outrage     
I just went to the johnson website and the suzuki 140 is 4 cylinders, and I like the merc efi the best of what they make.
jimh posted 08-03-2003 08:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The difference between the fresh water and saltwater series of Mercury engine is generally thought to be limited to the available shaft lengths, a few stainless steel parts in the tilt tube, and the decals.

For more information see:

Bigshot posted 08-04-2003 10:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Engine prices are fair but $440 for a control, $650 for a jackplate.....hahahhahahahaah!
Bigshot posted 08-04-2003 10:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
$1250 labor.......try $300-500 MAX!
lhg posted 08-04-2003 02:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Those engine prices are pretty good. Maybe that's why the installation price is outrageous! For the SS prop, be sure it's in the performance line, and not a Vengeance. For the mere $1000 upcharge, I would DEFINITELY get the 200 EFI engine and 19" Laser II prop, even though it's a lot of HP for the boat. It will give superior performance and get better gas mileage, paying for itself in a couple of years.
Jamie 20 outrage posted 08-04-2003 08:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jamie 20 outrage  Send Email to Jamie 20 outrage     
Concerning the install price. That number that was quoted is fairly easy to justify, depending on the work that is neccesary for this installation. The only way I know to charge 300 to 500 would be if the engine coming off was the same brand going on. Then using the same control box, steering and harness over again. We charge sixty bucks an hour here and 500 would be about 8 hours work by one guy.
Unboxing the motor half hour. Picking up the motor and bolting to transom-one hour. Installing the same hydraulic ram that came off the old engine -one hour. Routing the new battery cables- one hour. Hooking up the control cables and adjusting neutral and idle - one hour. Installing new oil tank, hoses and harness to tank and bleeding air out- 2 hours. Installing prop, checking lower unit oil and filling out pdi sheet - one hour. Now this does not include mounting the jackplate, upgrading the harness or gauges or control box. This did not include time spent with client to walk him through break in procedures or test running it with him. This did not include removing the old outboard or any other of the old unneccesary parts. It did not include changing out control cables, or the steering system. Or that the old ram may not match this engine and has to be replaced with a new style and be bled. or that because of the jack plate the rigging hose has to be changed and possibly alot of things may not be quite long enough. How about the new battery because alot of the new outboards need bigger ones.... I am sure this can be nit-picked, but I think I got my point across.
lhg posted 08-04-2003 09:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Regarding charging 1 1/2hours for un-boxing ONE engine (shouldn't that be free) and bolting it on the boat, I stood by as TWO Merc 200's were bolted on my Whaler, at no charge, since I had bought the engines from them.

I remember it well. The Whaler was in their yard, (no engines - previous ones stolen) on the trailer. The fork lift brings out the boxed 200's and sets them on the ground, standing the boxes upright. The box is opened, engine cover lifted off, and the Mercury lifting eye is screwed in the top of the flywheel. The forklift, with a chain hook, lifts it over to the boat and it is bolted on. Time to do this, BOTH engines: about 30 minutes max maybe less. Considering I'd just made an $18,000 purchase, the 1/2 hour of mechanics labor seemed reasonable to give away.

72outrage posted 08-05-2003 01:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for 72outrage  Send Email to 72outrage     
What do you mean It will get better gas mileage, paying for it self?
Are you saying the 200 EFI Will get better gas mileage then the 150 Optimax?
raygun posted 08-05-2003 04:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for raygun  Send Email to raygun     
One hour to route and connect battery cables?? Installing prop, checking lower unit oil and filling out pdi sheet - one hour??? come on! Charging for time spent explaining break-in in the install as labor? That's ridiculous. 5 hrs max with no screwing around. New gauges, jackplate and controls add to it no question, but not another 15 hrs!!

It's not as funny as one quote I recieved to replace my 86 Evinrude 90 with a 2003 Johnson 90 using existing controls. They wanted 1800 bucks for the install and to keep the boat for a week and a half. OOF!
The motor price is good to suck you in and then they try to make it up on the install. They'll say it'll probably take them 4 days too. But I doubt it's more than 10 hrs of actual labor including their trips out for coffee.

Get another quote on the install.

Bigshot posted 08-05-2003 10:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Jamie....are you guys disabled or some kind of "special" mechanics? I just rigged on a bare hull with my 70 4 stroke by MYSELF in 94 degree FL sun(no shade) saturday from roughly 8:30 am and at 1:15pm she was running on the muffs. 8 hours is MORE than enough time for a "certified" mechanic(which I am not) to do a simple install being I did it in roughly 5. If you guys think you need 20+ hours to install a single engine, you must have like no fingers or hands and use your left foot like that artist guy.
lhg posted 08-05-2003 06:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
72 - NO - I was comparing the carbed 150 to the 200 EFI. The 150 Optimax will get better gas mileage than the 200 EFI.
Peter posted 08-05-2003 07:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
I did an OMC-Yamaha swap on two 15' hulls last month which involved two deriggings and two riggings of engines using a motor hoist and it took less than 6 hours. I took my time because I'm not a certified mechanic and had to memorize the rigging of each motor as I derigged them. Lifting the motor and bolting to the transom including the application of generous amounts of sealant - 20 minutes MAX.

It took far less than 8 hours for a certified mechanic to derig and rig my 22 Revenge going from OMC to Yamaha which meant removing old motor, controls, cables, gauges, wiring harness and oil tank and installing new motor, modifying the console to accept new controls, routing the cables and wiring harness, and installing key switch, new gauges, and oil tank.

I agree with BigS - 8 man-hours is the MAX.

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