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Hudsojo posted 09-02-2003 06:02 PM ET (US)
I need to repower my 1982 22' Outrage. It currently has an old 225hp Johnson that has breathed its last breath. I've got a line on a great 2002 175hp Johnson but am concerned that it won't be enough power. Does anyone have experience with a motor of this size on a 22' Outrage and do you find it to be adequate.
I've also got a line on a new Suzuki 225 but I don't want to spend the extra bucks if a 175 would be adequate.
Thanks.
mustang7nh posted 09-02-2003 07:20 PM ET (US)
I am far from an authority on the subject, but will give you my two cents.
I've owned a 1988 OR20 with matching Johnson 200. Boat did 44mph on its best day with mediocre SS OMC prop. 200 definitely worked well on that boat, would I go less, not unless it they made a 175 that shaved 150 pounds off the back. So the short answer is NO. Would I have liked more...an emphatic YES.
One of the great things about Classic Outrages is their terrific power to weight ratios. Why sacrifice that? Other benefits are better fuel economy at cruise with more hp as it works less hard. Another benefit is resale, you will take a serious hit, if you actually price it at point that it will move and not these dream list prices on many of them you see out there) with less than max hp. In this case they don't make a 240 but 200 would be minimum IMO to avoid this. 225 much better.
The superior design and setup of these boats also makes them somewhat susceptible to stern weight. No you won't sink it or ruin it, but it may not perform or ride like it otherwise would with a four stroke on it. Also, these boats are pretty light to begin with, I'm not sure a 4s would give you much better, if any, mpg than a DI motor. Also, why ruin that power to weight performance factor by a heavy 4s and mediocre torque curve.
Lastly, besides being unsinkable and safe they are also FUN. In my book, and its just my opinion, why throw out your fun by underpowering this rig. I just bought a 22 with 225EFI Yam. If the engine goes, I'll research the insurance premiums and engine weights and seriously consider a 250hp. Not to just go blazing when its calm, but for the great hole shot, easy (on the engine) cruise speeds, higher cruise speeds, more useable engine rpm choices, and yes the fun of firewalling that throttle. I'll definitely never go less than 225.
There is much debate on brands of engines to go with. My opinion, to keep it simple, is to spring for the bucks and go with a new DI engine. Yam, Rude, Merc... your choice... all are probably fine if you run the right oil and do your maintenance etc. Pick a dealer that you like to work with that is close by and go with the brand they sell. If more than one choice of brand still, start price shopping. Whether your 225 is M, Y or E you're boat will rock.
Hope this helps. Good luck.
andygere posted 09-02-2003 07:37 PM ET (US)
I run an '89 Outrage 22 Cuddy, with a T-top and enclosure powered by an '89 Merc 200. I think the 200 is more than adequate, and my rig is propped more for holeshot and load carrying than top speed. That said, I still hit 40 mph yesterday in a rolling swell and light chop with 70 gallons of fuel and a full bait well. Would a 175 be awful? I don't think so, but If I repower, I'll probably go with a 225 simply so I can run it at lower RPM's and extend its life. There's a Revenge 22 in my harbor that just repowered with a 175 Fict, but I haven't talked with the owner about performance yet. Another forum member (mtbadfish) has the same model boat as I with a recent Johnson 175, and he could give you some first-hand performance numbers.
mustang7nh posted 09-02-2003 07:49 PM ET (US)
In case you like my idea, make sure your insurance company will accept a 250hp on that boat before you buy the engine. Otherwise live with a 225.
Peter posted 09-02-2003 08:10 PM ET (US)
Mustang7nh,
You are going to love the Yamaha 225 EFI. I've had one for 3 years now and no problems. You should see 3 mpg at cruise between 3500 and 4000 rpm. Make sure you use Ringfree and run it hard every now and then to keep the O2 sensor clean.
I agree with the advice regarding repowering. A 175 will wear out sooner than a 225, everything else being equal.
Hudsojo posted 09-02-2003 08:43 PM ET (US)
Thanks guys. Just the info I needed.
reelescape1 posted 09-04-2003 03:26 PM ET (US)
I agree with Peter, I repowered my 22 OR (cc, transom mount, with t-top) last spring...turned 220 hrs last weekend. 225 Yam EFI w/19" Yam Saltwater prop, went 195 miles (gps) and burned 65 gals. fuel. I'm happy!!!! Mine's mounted 1 hole down. I tried the 17" prop and rpm was too high...5700-5800, I would like to experiment with a 4 blade sometime. Good luck!!
John from Madison CT posted 09-04-2003 07:23 PM ET (US)
Another 22' Outrage owner with Yamaha 250hp (EFI), although mine is on a Whaler Drive.
I get a solid 3mpg at cruise. Overall, great combination. I really don't think it can be improved upon, even with a 4stroke. Certainly not enough to justify the repower costs, or the difference for that technology.
John
bwo posted 09-04-2003 09:50 PM ET (US)
Reelscape: I have same boat, engine and prop as you. What speed do you get with WOT? I'm getting only 4,700 rpms, 40 mph and my gas mileage stinks.
Peter posted 09-04-2003 10:18 PM ET (US)
BWO
Have you cleaned, or had someone clean, the O2 sensor? Do you use Ringfree? If not, get the O2 sensor cleaned up. A sign of a dirty O2 sensor is the loss of WOT rpm.
My Yamaha with a clean O2 sensor on my Revenge 22 (bottom painted)will spin to 52-5300 rpm at WOT with a 17" Saltwater Series propeller. WOT speed is about 42-43 mph with full Mills canvas enclosure deployed.
John from Madison CT posted 09-05-2003 07:49 AM ET (US)
Peter: Good point on the O2 sensor. I've not cleaned mine after ~ 350 hours, but I have no loss of RPM's either.
I use YamaLube and Ringfree all the time.
With my rig I get ~47mph with Tee Top. (no canvas)
John

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Author	Topic: Repowering a 1982 22' Outrage
Hudsojo	posted 09-02-2003 06:02 PM ET (US) I need to repower my 1982 22' Outrage. It currently has an old 225hp Johnson that has breathed its last breath. I've got a line on a great 2002 175hp Johnson but am concerned that it won't be enough power. Does anyone have experience with a motor of this size on a 22' Outrage and do you find it to be adequate. I've also got a line on a new Suzuki 225 but I don't want to spend the extra bucks if a 175 would be adequate. Thanks.
mustang7nh	posted 09-02-2003 07:20 PM ET (US) I am far from an authority on the subject, but will give you my two cents. I've owned a 1988 OR20 with matching Johnson 200. Boat did 44mph on its best day with mediocre SS OMC prop. 200 definitely worked well on that boat, would I go less, not unless it they made a 175 that shaved 150 pounds off the back. So the short answer is NO. Would I have liked more...an emphatic YES. One of the great things about Classic Outrages is their terrific power to weight ratios. Why sacrifice that? Other benefits are better fuel economy at cruise with more hp as it works less hard. Another benefit is resale, you will take a serious hit, if you actually price it at point that it will move and not these dream list prices on many of them you see out there) with less than max hp. In this case they don't make a 240 but 200 would be minimum IMO to avoid this. 225 much better. The superior design and setup of these boats also makes them somewhat susceptible to stern weight. No you won't sink it or ruin it, but it may not perform or ride like it otherwise would with a four stroke on it. Also, these boats are pretty light to begin with, I'm not sure a 4s would give you much better, if any, mpg than a DI motor. Also, why ruin that power to weight performance factor by a heavy 4s and mediocre torque curve. Lastly, besides being unsinkable and safe they are also FUN. In my book, and its just my opinion, why throw out your fun by underpowering this rig. I just bought a 22 with 225EFI Yam. If the engine goes, I'll research the insurance premiums and engine weights and seriously consider a 250hp. Not to just go blazing when its calm, but for the great hole shot, easy (on the engine) cruise speeds, higher cruise speeds, more useable engine rpm choices, and yes the fun of firewalling that throttle. I'll definitely never go less than 225. There is much debate on brands of engines to go with. My opinion, to keep it simple, is to spring for the bucks and go with a new DI engine. Yam, Rude, Merc... your choice... all are probably fine if you run the right oil and do your maintenance etc. Pick a dealer that you like to work with that is close by and go with the brand they sell. If more than one choice of brand still, start price shopping. Whether your 225 is M, Y or E you're boat will rock. Hope this helps. Good luck.
andygere	posted 09-02-2003 07:37 PM ET (US) I run an '89 Outrage 22 Cuddy, with a T-top and enclosure powered by an '89 Merc 200. I think the 200 is more than adequate, and my rig is propped more for holeshot and load carrying than top speed. That said, I still hit 40 mph yesterday in a rolling swell and light chop with 70 gallons of fuel and a full bait well. Would a 175 be awful? I don't think so, but If I repower, I'll probably go with a 225 simply so I can run it at lower RPM's and extend its life. There's a Revenge 22 in my harbor that just repowered with a 175 Fict, but I haven't talked with the owner about performance yet. Another forum member (mtbadfish) has the same model boat as I with a recent Johnson 175, and he could give you some first-hand performance numbers.
mustang7nh	posted 09-02-2003 07:49 PM ET (US) In case you like my idea, make sure your insurance company will accept a 250hp on that boat before you buy the engine. Otherwise live with a 225.
Peter	posted 09-02-2003 08:10 PM ET (US) Mustang7nh, You are going to love the Yamaha 225 EFI. I've had one for 3 years now and no problems. You should see 3 mpg at cruise between 3500 and 4000 rpm. Make sure you use Ringfree and run it hard every now and then to keep the O2 sensor clean. I agree with the advice regarding repowering. A 175 will wear out sooner than a 225, everything else being equal.
Hudsojo	posted 09-02-2003 08:43 PM ET (US) Thanks guys. Just the info I needed.
reelescape1	posted 09-04-2003 03:26 PM ET (US) I agree with Peter, I repowered my 22 OR (cc, transom mount, with t-top) last spring...turned 220 hrs last weekend. 225 Yam EFI w/19" Yam Saltwater prop, went 195 miles (gps) and burned 65 gals. fuel. I'm happy!!!! Mine's mounted 1 hole down. I tried the 17" prop and rpm was too high...5700-5800, I would like to experiment with a 4 blade sometime. Good luck!!
John from Madison CT	posted 09-04-2003 07:23 PM ET (US) Another 22' Outrage owner with Yamaha 250hp (EFI), although mine is on a Whaler Drive. I get a solid 3mpg at cruise. Overall, great combination. I really don't think it can be improved upon, even with a 4stroke. Certainly not enough to justify the repower costs, or the difference for that technology. John
bwo	posted 09-04-2003 09:50 PM ET (US) Reelscape: I have same boat, engine and prop as you. What speed do you get with WOT? I'm getting only 4,700 rpms, 40 mph and my gas mileage stinks.
Peter	posted 09-04-2003 10:18 PM ET (US) BWO Have you cleaned, or had someone clean, the O2 sensor? Do you use Ringfree? If not, get the O2 sensor cleaned up. A sign of a dirty O2 sensor is the loss of WOT rpm. My Yamaha with a clean O2 sensor on my Revenge 22 (bottom painted)will spin to 52-5300 rpm at WOT with a 17" Saltwater Series propeller. WOT speed is about 42-43 mph with full Mills canvas enclosure deployed.
John from Madison CT	posted 09-05-2003 07:49 AM ET (US) Peter: Good point on the O2 sensor. I've not cleaned mine after ~ 350 hours, but I have no loss of RPM's either. I use YamaLube and Ringfree all the time. With my rig I get ~47mph with Tee Top. (no canvas) John