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Suzuki DT140 on a Outrage 18, 1985
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posted 10-10-2003 11:48 AM ET (US)
Any thoughts on putting a Suzuki DT140 on an outrage 18, 1985? The engine would be a 2001, new, 3 year warranty, $4500.
posted 10-10-2003 12:50 PM ET (US)
Ya... I'm jealous!
posted 10-10-2003 01:22 PM ET (US)
There is a new one on E-Bay(01) for $4350 I think, same guy? I had one of the 1st DT140's back in 1981 on a 19' Revenge. Great engine and a lot of nuts for a 4cyl. Being the 18 is about 400lbs lighter than my 19, she should do mid to upper 40's. The newer 140's are also EFi which is a plus. I also believe they came standard with a SS prop so check on that.
posted 10-10-2003 01:25 PM ET (US)
I'm following that one on ebay.
The only problem is he has to send it to a dealer to install and I would do it myself, Otherwise that one would be mine.
posted 10-10-2003 01:27 PM ET (US)
I guess it ended already.
posted 10-10-2003 02:15 PM ET (US)
Same engine... I have contacted the seller and am planning on negotiating with him directly.
I want to know what people here thought of the engine.
How many people here are looking for ~150HP engine? What are you looking for? Maybe if we got a large group together we could get a good deal.
posted 10-10-2003 02:45 PM ET (US)
It is not a DFI, just EFI....big difference. Not the lightest 4 banger being close to 400lbs but an awesome engine. we sold the boat in 88 or 89 and NEVER had a problem with it. It did not like Texaco oil(Havoline) and would foul plugs. If I ran OMC it was fine.
I also call BS on the dealer mounting stuff. We mouted our own and still got the warranty, then again that was 22 years ago.
posted 10-10-2003 02:48 PM ET (US)
There has been discussion here about frauds on outboard engines, with way below market pricing. So watch out. If it's too good to be true, it usually is.
That Suzuki 140 4-stroke is probably not a DFI? And it's probably more like 125 HP, so check out performance reports first. I think it will just barely outrun a 115. A Mercury 135 Opti or 135 Ficht are about 5mph faster on top end, with better acceleration also. Everybody who has a Suzuki says they are fine engines, but I think their marketing practicies are somewhat suspect. This + or - 10% NMMA HP rule is part of the problem, and they're taking advantage of it. I think it should be allowable to give a consumer more than he is paying for if you want, by under-rating HP, but not charging for something you don't furnish by over-rating HP. I think Yamaha has played this game at times also. I think it's legalized consumer fraud if you ask me, no matter who the manufacturer is.
If you want a true 150HP 4-stroke, get the new Yamaha or Honda. Mercury's offering will be available in about a year or less.
posted 10-10-2003 03:02 PM ET (US)
Larry the reason why they are cheap is they are no longer made. Suzuki has dropped all their 2 strokes and you can get a new 225 with a SS prop for like $7500 being the 04's are 4 strokes. The 140 2 stroke is NOT weak at all, my 19 revenge would do 40-42 with one. Back in 1981 they were rated at the prop and would blow away any other 140 out there, bad-ass engine believe it or not.
posted 10-10-2003 03:04 PM ET (US)
FYI....DT140 is 2 stroke. DF140 is 4 stroke.
posted 10-10-2003 03:10 PM ET (US)
If these engines are not made anymore will it be difficult to get parts for it in the future?
You are correct BigShot, EFI.
posted 10-10-2003 03:18 PM ET (US)
Should not be being they made it for over 20 years. They have to keep a certain amount of parts available and many parts are available aftermarket as well. Remember they offered these with 6 year warranties, they have to have enough to repair till like 2007 no matter what. OMC made the V4 crossflow from 1968-1998 and there are TONS of parts still available even though they have not been made for 6 years and OMC has been gone for almost 2.
posted 10-10-2003 03:24 PM ET (US)
I have some Suzuki 150's for $5850 and a mercury for $5800
The controls+wire harness for the suzuki are $300 and shift cables are $60
Shiping will be about $250 and I will nock $100 off that.
What would you do BigShot? The Mercury looks tempting? Would you prefer the Mercury or the Suzuki? I have a Mercury dealer MUCH close to me (it is actually a Whaler Dealer as well, 4 miles instead of 25). If it were a Johnson I think I would go for it, I am a little hesitant and I have all winter to get an engine. (You guys might get sick of me if I don't get an engine soon! :) ) I know what Larry would want.
What are the odds of me finding my dream engine - a new Johnson 150 for $5500?
I have Johnson controls from an '85 150, they are taped together so I think that I will replace them regardless.
I wrote an email to Eds Marine Superstore asking if he would cut a deal for a group sale, I have not heard back from him yet. His prices are pretty low already and I suggested 15% of a group order of $50k or more, and controls, etc... for cost. I will let everyone know what he says.
Jimh - I guess this thread should now be in marketplace. Sorry.
posted 10-10-2003 03:25 PM ET (US)
or is the 140 still a better deal?
posted 10-10-2003 04:14 PM ET (US)
Sorry about that mistake on the 2-stroke engine. I didn't know Suzuki made a 2-stroke 140. I think I should stick to what I know, and avoid what I don't know!
posted 10-10-2003 04:19 PM ET (US)
I'm in the same boat as you tlynch.
Do I get a Yamaha or Mercury because I have my controls for my Yamaha?
Do I go 2 stroke or 4 stroke?
Do I get a Suzuki 140 or go with a Mercury or Yamaha 150hp?
So many choices my head is swimming.
I agree with you Larry. I am always a little leery about buying something on ebay.
The two people that I emailed about engines that I was looking at on ebay, one was in Germany buying up liquidations and the other said the engine would ship from Austria.
That's right, Austria!
Yeah, I'm going to send him a cashiers check for $6000. NOT!
Thank God I have 6 months to find something.
posted 10-10-2003 06:56 PM ET (US)
The Johnson 150 is the way to go on the 18'outrage
a true V6 very strong motor thats what I have on mine.
posted 10-10-2003 07:17 PM ET (US)
Larry... for me that means drinking Keystone Ice and watching old re-runs of MASH with the lights off.
All this anti-small block Suzuki stuff. While I do agree on the cheeze marketing that is happening to alot of companies apparently including Suzuki (enough to make me not buy any product - yes I just canceled by LA Times over the election coverage), I was really impressed by what a pair of those little 2L guys can do on a 25 Outrage with all the trimmings. As I mentioned before... it was easy to forget when idling (had to shut off the CD player)... more impressive was how the 25 reacted to having twins... easy to make dance along a large swell.
Maybe for you guys on lakes where you can really open them up it would be different and more fun to have another 100 horse, but on a rolling sea where 40 knots is pleanty fast they were pretty sweet. I think the key was it was a nice old dry stored, mid 1980s outrage (stored on top of the mother ship - a 107 foot trawler). But its not fair... that 25 hull is just so easy to push...!
Not a bad chase boat! Of course if they wear out (2L v. 2.5L) I'm not so sure the guy would care... he had three whalers on top!
posted 10-13-2003 10:39 AM ET (US)
Find out more info is all I can say. For $1300+ I would stick with the 140.
posted 10-13-2003 12:13 PM ET (US)
That Suzuki sounds like a good deal. Unless you are a speed freak, 140 hp is more than enough to push the 18' Whaler. I'd expect speeds around 37 knots, depending upon load in the boat.
One thing to watch out for when pricing a motor online, do you need to register the motor with the state? In Texas, we do. Hence, what looked like a great deal online would have cost me more money when I tried to register the motor. Online does not include sales tax but it costs to ship the motor. Then, the state will charge the taxes in order to register the motor. I found a place locally that matched the online deal. He wasn't too upset about reducing the motor since I also bought the controls, gage package, prop, and had him install it. I wound up with a better deal than I could find online. The dealer also let me swap props a few times to dial the boat in...it's worth checking out.
posted 06-22-2006 07:57 PM ET (US)
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