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onlyawhaler posted 10-15-2003 06:13 PM ET (US)   Profile for onlyawhaler   Send Email to onlyawhaler  
I am looking for a repower on a 18OR that is light(two stroke) and meets emmissions that are comming or here already in the Rockies and Sierras where I boat.

E-tec is comming. Merc is comming out with new things. Yamaha's 150 4 stroke is probably too heavy with a 4stroke kicker that I already have and will leave on.

Prices on the new will be unquestionably high. I am looking at the offers on Evinrude fichts that are on Ebay and other places.

I have heard that:

The 1997s were the worst
The 1998s were upgraded alot
The 1999s were redesigned and better
The 2000s are still under warranty by Bomb if installed by a dealer

I am seeing several NIB 1999 150s out there. No warranty, but in the 5 grand range for a new engine that is emmissions compliant and a bit quieter.

I would like to stay Johnson/Evinrude something to at least keep some of the rigging and I like the white color on a whaler

Any help?

Sterling

JBCornwell posted 10-15-2003 08:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Howdy, Only.

The new Johnson 140 4 stroke weighs about 30# more than a carbed 150 2 stroke. That is 5 gallons of gas that the 4 stroke wouldn't need anyway.

I would avoid OMC built V6s from that period. QC was really bad and with no warranty the risk is more than I would want to take.

Good luck.

Red sky at night. . .
JB

JBCornwell posted 10-15-2003 08:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Oops! Forgot.

The 140 is within 5# of the Ficht RAM injected 150.

Red sky at night. . .
JB

JohnJ80 posted 10-15-2003 10:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for JohnJ80  Send Email to JohnJ80     
I recently purchased a 2003 Evinrude Ficht motor. Bombardier has done a great job with these two brands since acquisition of the assets of OMC. There is nothing to fear from a motor that was built Bombardier.

However, the motors built by OMC prior to the bankruptcy are another issue. The problems that have been reported are severe. In most cases there is not a warranty to fall back on. Bombardier has been very good in working with those that have problems even though it is completely not a responsibility of Bombardier to do that (another mark of an excellent company).

Some of the failures of the OMC motors have required complete replacement of the powerheads. At cost, for a 150HP, I believe this is nearly $6000.

If you get one that has had the recalls done properly and has run for a period of time (long) without problem, they are probably fine. But, for the risk, I don't think its worth it. It is not just a money thing for me, it is a safety thing. If your motor dies in the middle of big water and the weather is coming at you, you won't find that motor to much of a bargain at all. A power boat without power (whaler or not) is not very useful or helpful.

What I would do is work on getting either an E-tec (if they are the size that you want) or a 2003 FICHT on a deal from a dealer at the end of the season (now). I would personally not risk buying one of the older OMC built motors. The technology is great, its the poor quality that OMC in its dying gasp that will get you. What is built by Bombardier, I think you can buy with confidence.

J

whalersman posted 10-15-2003 11:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
Sterling,

I just got back from my Evinrude Dealer today and looked at the new 2004 catalog... The E-Techs look great but the 150's won't be out for awhile...

What about twin 75 HP E-Techs on that fabulous 18 of yours???

Check out my post in the General Forum about the Evinrude 100 HP and the new E-Techs....

I am impressed.......

Regards,
Joe

Sal DiMercurio posted 10-16-2003 01:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal DiMercurio  Send Email to Sal DiMercurio     
Joe, those were the big time problem engines [ 98s & 99s ], stay away from the 150s & 175s built before 2003.
Sal
arnereil posted 10-16-2003 08:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for arnereil  Send Email to arnereil     
Just have to ask, what is a Ficht motor?
JBCornwell posted 10-16-2003 10:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
In the early 90s, OMC purchased rights to a direct fuel injection system for 2 stroke engines invented by a German named Ficht.

They introduced the Ficht RAM injection system on V4 and V6 engines beginning in the 1997 models.

Partly because of incomplete development and partly because their quality control was failing in parallel with their finances those engines, mainly the V6s, were a disaster. Many believe that the Ficht RAM injection system was OMC's cyanide pill.

After Bombardier bought the Johnson-Evinrude assets from the liquidators of the bankrupt OMC. They redesigned the system and dropped the Ficht name. It is now simply DFI. They also updated and revised the 2001 and later models into reliable engines.

"Ficht" now shares a special place in our language, alongside "Force" and "Yugo".

Red sky at night. . .
JB

whalersman posted 10-16-2003 11:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
Sal,

Yes, those were the problem engines...

I was referring to the brand new 2004 E-Tech engines...
At this time Bombardier is only selling the 40, 50, 60, 75, and 90 hp engines..

A pair of 2004, E-Tech 75's on the back of an Outrage 18 would be very nice if the engine proves to perform as stated..

Joe

Perry posted 10-16-2003 01:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
Or.... save some money and reduce weight and put a 150 hp Honda or Yamaha 4 stroke on the transom:)
Bigshot posted 10-16-2003 02:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Most Ficht issues on pre-2001 engines were the 200+hp. The 135-175's were pretty reliable from what I hear. I would not dump $5k+ on a now 5 year old engine with no warranty though. A 140 Johnson/suzuki is about $7k.
Sal DiMercurio posted 10-16-2003 04:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal DiMercurio  Send Email to Sal DiMercurio     
Bigone, the 150s & 175 ...60 degree engine were the ones that blew power head after power head, the 200s were minor only requiring a larger clamp & bolt to hold each injector in & a heavier insulating tube to cover the spark plug wires.
Some of the 200s caught fire because the bolts & clamps weren't big enough to hold the injectors in place & after the engine was warm, some leaked fuel & they caught fire on a restart, but the 90 degree 6 cylinders [ 200 & up ] were bullet proof as far as power heads go.
I'v heard from some very knowledgable people at Bombardier that the main reason the those engines blew their power heads was because they were running plain ol TCW3 oil & it dosen't keep those engines [ DFI ]lubed correctly.
Most all their problems went away when they came out with the Ram Ficht oil.
Even though they say you can run TCW3 in an emergency, dosen't mean theres an emergency every day & it's ok to run it all the time, because it's not ok as some people would misconstrue that as, hell if they can run it today, it's ok to run everyday.
I'm certain the bad engines with "MAJOR" problems were the 150s & 175s, same power head.
Sal
onlyawhaler posted 10-16-2003 10:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for onlyawhaler  Send Email to onlyawhaler     
Great feedback. I won't touch that 99 ficht. I had no idea the Johnson 140 weighs in an only 30lbs more than a ficht 150. That is the difference of a battery in the back end.

I need to repower with something. I think I keep my options open and see what this new year brings. Winter is here within weeks and it is over.

Whalersman, which, from a performance basis, planing and top end, is better? A single 150 or twin 75s?

Sterling

whalersman posted 10-17-2003 12:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
Sterling,

Good point....

Twin engines will give you more drag, more weight, and of course twin batteries....

The single will have more top end speed then twins because of less drag.... For your inland situation from what I understand, you would probably be better off with a Single... and your kicker for trolling or emergencies...

Twins are more for Offshore where if one engine goes, you have the other to get back in with greater speed then a kicker... Twins also offer better fuel economy when trolling offshore as you can shut the other one off and just use the one engine...

I am more of an inland user so I use a Single main engine and a kicker as you have probably seen from my photos... Great combo for inland use...

Regards,
Joe

Bigshot posted 10-17-2003 11:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Correction. Carbed 150 is 386lbs, Ficht is 427, 140 4s is 421 all in 25" version.

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