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SuburbanBoy posted 11-04-2003 11:12 AM ET (US)   Profile for SuburbanBoy   Send Email to SuburbanBoy  
First their reliability is questioned, and now there are representations that VW has mislead the public....


DaveH posted 11-04-2003 12:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for DaveH  Send Email to DaveH     
Here's some info from the guy (bluvalley) in the CBS story:

and this;

How could VW be so bone headed? I actually thought about buying one of these and decided to wait for the bugs to get worked out. Glad I did.

Moe posted 11-04-2003 02:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Shame On You Video On Demand


alkar posted 11-04-2003 11:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
Wow, SB. What a disappointment.

Thanks for posting the info. I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger on that rig either.

randrewevans posted 11-05-2003 09:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for randrewevans  Send Email to randrewevans     
My comment is the same as using a Subaru on the ramp. Better learn how to use your fists if you plan on towing with a VW here in Texas. Not even a Whaler on the hitch will make up for the lack of masculinity.
Arch Autenreith posted 11-05-2003 09:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for Arch Autenreith  Send Email to Arch Autenreith     
What is up with you randrewevans?

What's with the fighting and lack of masculinity and fists stuff in this thread and the WRX thread?


kglinz posted 11-05-2003 09:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for kglinz  Send Email to kglinz     
Any way you look at it, it's hard to beat a good old American gas hog SUV based on a pickup or a full sized pickup with lots of cubic inches in the engine as a tow vehicle
lhg posted 11-05-2003 04:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
How does JD Powers rate Volkswagon? I wonder if they pay to play.
randrewevans posted 11-06-2003 12:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for randrewevans  Send Email to randrewevans     
SuburbanBoy posted 11-06-2003 12:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for SuburbanBoy  Send Email to SuburbanBoy     
All this texas talk reminds me of some crass humor from eons ago.

"Here I sit, cheeks a-flexin',
Giving birth to another Texan."


where2 posted 11-06-2003 01:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for where2  Send Email to where2     
Gee, I guess Trailer Boats Magazine made up that whole story they had this past month about hitching up a real trailer with a real boat on it to a real VW Touareg.

How many of you actually have weight distributing hitch couplers installed on your boat trailers? That's what Bluvalley's whole contention was over, the fact that VW wouldn't condone the use of an aftermarket hitch arm.

As for the "It's hard to beat cubic inches..." comment, Wait for the VW V10 TDI, 313hp and 553lb-ft of torque. Atleast VW had the guts to anounce they will drop a diesel in an SUV... Last time I checked, Ford was dropping the diesel from their Excursion, and never offered it on the Explorer or Expedition. Dodge, GM, Toyota, everyone makes an SUV that sucks gas. Why did it take VW to mastermind the concept of a diesel in an SUV under 6,000lbs GVW?

lhg posted 11-06-2003 02:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Backing up where's statement that cubic inches CAN be beat with the right technology, the small Mercury Project X engine at 2.6 liters is a lot less than the competition, but just as powerful. These should perform well on the new Whalers.

Knot at Work posted 11-06-2003 03:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Knot at Work  Send Email to Knot at Work     

Get a Damn Pick-up truck! Anything with a V-8 will do, Chevy, Ford or Dodge and you wont waste time on stupid questions about VW's and Subaru's. I mean come on! I would not even ask the question of which boat my wife's puny Honda CRV could pull...

ENOUGH already PLEASE!!!!

jaccoserv posted 11-06-2003 03:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for jaccoserv  Send Email to jaccoserv     
I wasn't even aware that Merc's Project X engine was in anyone's hands yet...
Dr T posted 11-06-2003 03:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dr T  Send Email to Dr T     

I would like to point out that there are some forum participants who ARE Texans and DO NOT equate masculinity with cubic inches, torque, or brand name of towing vehicle that regard your remarks with some umbrage.

Similarly, we also tend to view males that have to compensate for their inadequacies with reference to the amount of cubic inches, torque, or brand name of some possession of theirs with a similar degree of umbrage, ESPECIALLY when they imply that is something you have to do in Texas.

If you are spoiling for a fight, please take it over to the Meta Forum, or--better yet--off the board.

A Native Texan

Tom2697 posted 11-06-2003 03:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom2697  Send Email to Tom2697     
Many smaller SUVs are being offered in Europe with diesels. The Liberty and (I believe) the Escape are both going to come out with them. What I've read in industry newsletters is that the average American still has memories of "those black smoke puffing diesel engines" of the 1980's. Times will change but not soon.
Arch Autenreith posted 11-06-2003 04:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Arch Autenreith  Send Email to Arch Autenreith     
Knot at Work.

I think many of the what-can-tow-what questions are from people not unlike myself. I'm not married. I don't have unfettered access to alternate (tow?) vehicles. And heck, I don't want to have another vehicle around to:

1. Purchase.
2. Pay taxes on.
3. Insure.
4. Maintain.
5. Not be able to use it on vacations b/c there's not enough room.
6. Have sitting around outside rusting away.
7. Lend out to all friends and relatives that "need to use it next weekend to move...(whatever)"
8. Take up space in the garage because I don't want it rusting away outside.

Many of us need to purchase a vehicle that can serve our day-to-day uses better but at the same time be able to perform other tasks at other times also.

There is no perfect vehicle. Towing included. You don't need a 1/2 or 3/4 for a 13 footer. We are sometimes just trying to find a balance.


Arch Autenreith posted 11-06-2003 04:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Arch Autenreith  Send Email to Arch Autenreith     
Strike the "I'm not married" bit. It's not relevant.
Knot at Work posted 11-06-2003 05:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Knot at Work  Send Email to Knot at Work     
Arch you just described a Regultator or Bay liner...
kglinz posted 11-06-2003 05:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for kglinz  Send Email to kglinz     
There is a lot more reason than the cubic inches of the engine to buy a US truck. The full sized US trucks and the SUVs based them have a lot of other things going for them. Generally they are longer wheelbase. They have full length frames to the mount hitches on. They have stiffer suspension. They come with or have as an option higher load range tires for more stability. A lot of the current high end SUV are designed for acceleration, looks, and a soft ride. Buy what ever but don't buy just the maker says it was a certain tow capacity.

diveorfish posted 11-06-2003 07:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for diveorfish  Send Email to diveorfish     
One option that might be an acceptable tow vehicle for those who donít want a truck is the Chevy Avalanche. The 2003 and 2004 look more like the trucks. They donít have all that ugly plastic stuff they used to have. They look much better now. Chevy even makes a ĺ ton model. They have 4 doors and a shortened covered bed that you can throw groceries in. If they had been around last year I would have bought one instead of my truck I think.
HAPPYJIM posted 11-06-2003 08:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for HAPPYJIM  Send Email to HAPPYJIM     

Bottom line....nothing beats a truck...the bigger the better.

I can haul anything I want to with mine, a 1998 GMC 1 ton diesel crew cab with 8 foot bed and dual wheels.

15 mpg and as good a ride as a Cadillac that I previously owned.

If you think the ride is too stiff, load it with sand bags for a better ride.

I like the fact that I don't have to have a death grip on the wheel when towing heavy loads including a 25 foot Revenge with twin 200's, a full load (160gal) of gas and everything (coolers, tackle and gear) to go off shore fishing with 5 people riding and I can sit back and drive with one hand....try that with any import!

Eric posted 11-07-2003 02:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eric  Send Email to Eric     
You don't necessarily have to have a V8 to get the torque for towing. My supercharged tacoma makes 275 pound/feet and 265 horsepower. The torque curve comes on at low RPM, so that the torque is same at 1800 rpm as a stock motor at torque peak (225 lb/feet at 3600 rpm). When towing, I can pull an entrance ramp or hill without downshifting and revving the motor to make the same power.
This low rpm torque curve actually will extend the lifespan of the motor, since higher rpms are where the stresses are incurred.
Tom2697 posted 11-07-2003 03:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom2697  Send Email to Tom2697     
Don't forget that the gearing makes a world of difference in a tow vehicle. Actually, it is more important than the horsepower or torque. A "granny gear" will allow a 4-cylinder truck to outpull a diesel. Why do you think that most long-haul semis have 10-15 gears?
lhg posted 11-07-2003 03:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
jaccoserve - The Project X engines have been in BW's hands for some time now. I think JimH even listed a link showing an Outrage 320 running along at 65 mph with a pair of them. They will be introduced to the public at the Miami boat show in Feb. Supposedly bass boats have been clocked at over 80 mph with one of these.
daverdla posted 11-10-2003 03:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for daverdla  Send Email to daverdla     
Something to tow with your VW

The engine is still air cooled!

where2 posted 11-11-2003 01:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for where2  Send Email to where2     
Tom said: "Don't forget gearing makes all the difference in the world..."

VW says: "6-speed automatic transmission with Tiptronic, Dynamic Shift Program (DSP), sport mode, and low range gear"

Note that last statement: Low Range Gear.

Happy said: "If you think the ride (in my 1 ton truck) is too stiff, load it with sand bags for a better ride..."

I think you're set with that 1 ton dualy...

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mtbadfish posted 11-14-2003 10:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for mtbadfish  Send Email to mtbadfish     
I spent some time in a Touareg the last couple of days. One of my associates just bought one with the 8 cyl. It is nice, interior is very nice, the seats are a little stiff but that heated seat business is really nice at times.

The most striking thing though was the gas mileage. The best he could squeak out of it was just a hair over 14 mpg and most of that was highway driving. My F250 with a newly tuned 460 did 13+. I'm not sure I could find any advantage to having one over a nicely appointed new full size pick-up except maybe parking it would be easier.

alkar posted 11-14-2003 11:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
That's what I don't understand. You'd think that something that aerodynamic would get decent fuel economy - at least compared with my HUGE (and substantially heavier) truck. My truck can get better fuel economy than the Touareg - even while carrying a 3500+ pound camper, five people, and towing a 6000 pound trailer.

My truck couldn't be LESS aerodynamic. It's shaped like a refridgerator. With the camper on board it's almost twice the weight of the VW. It has MUCH more power than the VW. You'd think the new technology VW would get better fuel economy than a big ol'Ford diesel truck, wouldn't you? Nope.

Maybe the VW diesel will be a better performer. That's supposed to be here next year.

JayR posted 11-15-2003 06:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for JayR  Send Email to JayR     
Diesel... can't be beat. Can you say "home heating fuel"?

Ran mine on it for 4 years. At 2/3 the cost.

Wish there were bigger HP diesel outboards.

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