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stefan posted 01-28-2004 12:10 PM ET (US)   Profile for stefan   Send Email to stefan  
I've heard good things [about Bombardier Recreational Products E-TEC™ Brand Outboard engines], and I saw a model at St Pete show. The higher horsepower models won't be out till 2005 or so. I wonder if Bombardier Recreational Products E-TEC™ Brand Outboard twins 75-HP each, 305 pounds each, 150 HP, 600 pounds total on my 18 Outrage would be a nice set up?

Glad my Johnson 140 is running well, maybe for Christmas

Sal DiMercurio posted 01-28-2004 12:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal DiMercurio  Send Email to Sal DiMercurio     
Those 140s were & are hot engines.
You wont get near the top end speed with twin 75s compared to the 140 single.
A buddy of mine had twin 70s on his v20 while I ran a 1980 ...140 hp Johnson on mine, I ran at 45 - 47 mph while he barely hit 35 mph on a good day.
He might have been over or under propped I never checked, but his boat was a dog on the top end.
Thats the only application i'v seen, so it might be better on another setup,....i would think so.
Sal
Salmon Tub posted 01-29-2004 08:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Salmon Tub  Send Email to Salmon Tub     
In layman's terms, look at it this way, a large motor is like a basketball player pulling a cart, and multiple small engines are like several midgits pulling a cart, though their combined strength may be equal to the basketball player's, at the same stride, they will not be able to keep up, though they may not break a sweat. Make sense?
jimh posted 01-29-2004 11:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
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jimh posted 01-29-2004 11:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I think that a pair of 75-HP E-TEC™ engines would be nice powering for an OUTRAGE 18, but since they weigh as much as the 90-HP variant, I would go with the twin 90's.

Twin 90's cost almost $10,000 each, so that is going to be a rather expensive re-powering.

If you compare that cost to buying a 2.5L Mercury EFI engine in 175-HP trim or even in 150-HP trim, I think you can save about $10,000.

If gas costs $2/gallon and the new engines save you 2.5-gallons/hour, that adds up to a savings of $5/hour in operatio. You will have to run the engines for 2,000 hours before you make up for their higher cost in fuel savings. Since 2,000 is probably more than the life span of most outboard engines--particularly if operated in salt water and kept in-water--you will need to replace the engines before you have even saved their higher cost in fuel economy.

The technology of the newer engines is nice, but it comes at quite a price. You can buy a classic Mercury 90-HP 2-stroke for about half the price of an E-TEC™ engine.

The pricing of these new engines is making the older 2-stroke engines appear to be terrific bargains.

Clark Roberts posted 01-30-2004 07:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
I just purchased a brand new 2004 Merc 60hp (std foot) for the reasons Jim mentioned above. Additionally, it is very light for a 59 cubic engine (approx 219 lbs), has a 3 year warranty and is soooo quiet. Also it uses little oil and gets very good mileage. I was considering a 60hp EFI four stroker but couldn't pass up this deal for almost half the MSRP of the 4S. The 2S requires little if any maintenance (other than water pump/Tstats replacements) and should be running fine for years and years. Time will tell as to how the new ETEC and Project X motors perform and hold up in real world usage. I remember the marketing hype for DFI (Ficht, Optimax & HPDI). Happy Whalin'... Clark ... Spruce Creek Navy
Wild Turkey posted 01-30-2004 10:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Wild Turkey  Send Email to Wild Turkey     
jimh:

I was quoted this from Ed's Marine Superstore:
90 HP E-TEC EVINRUDE 2004: $6,299

I know some tax and shipping are applicable but I think you can get one for cheaper than $10,000.

lhg posted 01-30-2004 03:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Cost, fuel economy and other factors aside, I think a pair of E-tec 75/90's on an 18 Outrage could be a real nice setup, if clean power is what you desire. The boat will handle the weight, as this is what the Merc 115's on my 18 Outrage weigh.

I had a chance to look over one of those engines at the Ft Lauderdale airport baggage pickup (strange place to show off an outboard!), and it looked very nice, slim and trim. They may have a real big seller here as long as they perform as well as other types of 75/90's.

Clark - Reading between the lines, and from one who has experience with both DFI two strokes, and EFI 4-strokes, it sounds like you're still saying the good old 2-strokes are still your all a round performance favorites?

unsinkable_2000 posted 01-30-2004 04:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for unsinkable_2000  Send Email to unsinkable_2000     
Just for those of you in the market looking for a price reference, my E-tec 90 including gauge package, binnacle control, prop and mounting on my 65 Eastport cost me $9,000.
onlyawhaler posted 01-31-2004 03:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for onlyawhaler  Send Email to onlyawhaler     
Hi Unsinkable

Have you had your 90 E-tech out yet. How do you feel about the performance, noise levels, anything?

Sterling
Onlyawhaler

jmorgan40 posted 02-01-2004 05:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for jmorgan40  Send Email to jmorgan40     
Hey Gang,
I was going to repower my montaulk with the 90 E-tec. The price I got in GA was $7,200 fully rigged. 10,000 seems high.
jimh posted 02-01-2004 09:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The E-TEC 90-HP MSRP was listed recently in a boating magazine--don't have it handy or I'd cite it--and it was well north of $9,000.
jimh posted 02-01-2004 11:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
From:
http://www.iboats.com/sites/trailerboats/site_page_1480/article_page_243.html

SPECIFICATIONS

EVINRUDE 90 E-TEC
Horsepower 90
No. of Cylinders I-3
Displacement 1.3L/79 cid
Shaft Length 20
Weight 305 lbs.
Induction DFI
Max. Alternator Output 25 amps
WOT RPM Range 4500-5500
Gear Ratio 2.00:1
Propeller SST 133/4x15
stainless 3-blade
MSRP $9075
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Add gauges, propeller, rigging, tax....


MSRP= $ 9,075
Ed's = $ 6,299
Difference = $ 2,776

Discount from MSRP = (2776/9075) X 100 = 30.6 Percent

That is VERY aggressive pricing.

Let's try that discount on a Boston Whaler:

170 MONTAUK MSRP = $17,400
30.6% Discount = $ 5,324

Retail Price = $12, 075

You could sell a lot of Whalers at that price.

Clark Roberts posted 02-04-2004 08:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
Larry, I'm not loyal to any specific technology (currently I have seven carb two strokes, two EFI two strokes and a four stroke) but if I had to put my survival on the line I would pick the carb two stroke because I can do all that's needed to get it running in an emergency (like clean the carbs etc and if fuel pump goes out the tank can be raised for gravity feed...etc). The EFI's are practically bullet proof but if the elec. booster fuel pump goes out it can't be fixed on the side of the river or in the gulf/ocean/great lakes)and if the four stroker breaks a timing belt you're done etc..etc.. Now the DFI's seem to be too smart and give troublesome alarms (my 135 Opti would give false alarms {check engine} every now and then and if it happened 100 miles from any civilization/facilities it was disconcerting). Yes, I boat lots of times where it's over 100 miles to next fuel stop! My two EFI's and the four stroke have performed flawlessly and I prefer the EFI two stroke to any engines I have ever owned and think that with some creative engineering that these simple (throttle body air/separate cyl-crankcase fuel/oil injection) could be made to be emission acceptable by EPA. I realize that I'm behind the times here but to me the simpler the better. Happy Whalin'.. Clark.. Spruce Creek Navy/GLN
Moe posted 02-04-2004 10:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
I used to feel that way too, swearing that if I ever had to buy a vehicle with electronic ignition, I'd retrofit a points and condenser distributor. I said the same thing about EFI when it came along, and have a carb rather than EFI on the Harley.

As for timing belts, I've had less trouble with them than I ever did with chains. The only two I've known to break were my kids', one over 90,000 miles and the other over 120,000 miles, when they were supposed to have been changed at 60,000 miles. They never listen to Dad. My own get changed on schedule and have never failed. And as easy as they are to change on an outboard, at least on my Merc 60, there's no excuse not to. Keep in mind that every Harley produced in the last 10+ years uses a toothed drive belt and they hold up fine in that application, even with massive increases over stock horsepower.

With time, people will look back on carbed outboards the way they do with cars.
--
Moe

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