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|Author||Topic: kicker motor|
posted 02-02-2004 01:37 PM ET (US)
I am very happy with the performance of my 1971 Nauset, powered by a 90 hp Evinrude, with one minor exception -it's hard to slow those ponies down ! Last season was my first with this "new to me" boat. I had a pretty good season trolling for striped bass, however the Whaler does not troll as slow as my previous boat which was a "bay boat". Consequently, the Whaler was not as productive in slow trolling tube lures for striped bass in Long Island and Fisher Island sounds. A small price to pay, but I'm looking to improve that situation.
I did a site search for trolling moors, kicker motors and electric motors, read each entry and learned alot. Questions do remain, and I am hoping to draw from the insight of others on this board.
The type of trolling I do is very SLOW and it is usually more productive traveling with the current. I am fairly confident that a transom mounted electric trolling would work fairly nicely. The question remains for me; how would a very small outboard compare? The Honda website shows a 2 hp model that weighs in at 28 lbs. The battery alone for the electric motor would weigh between 40 and 50 lbs. The Honda's fuel would be delivered via an internal tank and could be replinshed at will. The electric motor's fuel is a battery that would either have to charged via a presently nonexistant battery switching/charging control system or by removing the battery from the boat while it is in its slip and charging it a home. The gasoline outboard sounds easier to me. My questions are as follows:
1). Will a 2 hp outboard be able to move a 16'/17' Whaler ? (Related - My guess is that a 2hp motor is much more powerful than a 50 lb thrust electric -does anyone out there know ?)
2). Is there adequate room to mount a small outboard, such as a 2 hp Honda, directly onto the transom ? If so, is there typically room on both port and starboard sides of the main engine to transom mount a kicker ? I have my depth finder transducer set on the starboard side and my port side is clear - so it would be simplier to set the kicker on the port side.
3). On transom mounted kickers, is the steering mechanism/arm an issue regarding placement of the kicker and/or its operation?
Any other thoughts on this ????
posted 02-03-2004 07:38 PM ET (US)
Yamaha 8 hp four stroke high thrust pushes my montauk 6-8 mph depending on waves. Love it. Once brought me back from 10 miles out when batteries died.
posted 02-04-2004 09:06 AM ET (US)
Thanks for the info. How is your kicker mounted ? Is it directly mounted to the transom or is it on a bracket ? Thanks, gcl
posted 02-04-2004 09:20 AM ET (US)
Directly mounted to transom by the motor clamps. I then double secure it with a steel, rubber coated wire. I use a rubber pad to protect fiberglass. May eventually through bolt it to transom.
posted 02-05-2004 09:38 AM ET (US)
Thanks again for the info. Do you have the motor mounted on port or starboard side of transom ? Are there any space issues with the main engine's steering mechanism/controls ? gcl
posted 02-05-2004 09:42 AM ET (US)
[Pardon me but I cannot help but observe that at the moment the only "space issue" I can think of is whether or not the money spent going to explore Mars is worth the investment.--jimh.]
posted 02-05-2004 10:08 AM ET (US)
I can think of several others but they are not related to the original post, nor to Boston Whalers, so I will refrain from posting them.
posted 02-05-2004 12:09 PM ET (US)
I use a Honda 5h kicker on my 17 Guardian. Mine is clamped directly to the transom on the starboard side. Steering clearance is not an issue, nor was it when I tested it on the port side. I run mine on the starboard side to help counter the prop torque effect. The 5h will push my boat at a max of about 6mph on the GPS on a realtively calm day. I routinely troll at GPS speeds of 1.5mph to 2.5 mph.
posted 02-05-2004 04:04 PM ET (US)
I have a 1973 Whaler and run a 7.5 hp Mercury kicker. It is mounted on a bracket and I have a quick connect bar that attaches the kicker to the 115 Merc main power for console steering. I also have a bow mounted electric trolling motor. I am very happy with this setup. The 2 hp you are thinking about seems small, but then with all the motors I am carrying maybe I need the added power. Let me know what you decide on ahd how it works out.
posted 02-05-2004 07:48 PM ET (US)
My Yamaha 8 hp is on the starboard side and has the quick connect to the Mercury 100.
posted 02-12-2004 11:42 AM ET (US)
Thank you for the responses. Still thinking ........
posted 02-12-2004 12:45 PM ET (US)
gcl, I wonder how a "drogue chute" would work in a situation like yours? I noticed West Marine sells two different sizes. This may slow you down prior to you spending the money for a kicker. I realize this is not the best solution from a fuel consumption, noise, and convenience standpoint. In addition, it could be a problem with fishing lines and the prop. Possibly it could be drug a few yards behind the stern?
I was kicking this around to slow down my 18 Outrage (w 150 HP), so I can trot line for blue crabs on the Chesapeake. I made the boat purchase last fall and I'm holding off on the additional expenditure for a kicker. Just a thought.
posted 02-12-2004 04:04 PM ET (US)
Thanks for your suggestion of the sea anchor. It probably would work to a degree. The type of trolling I do is around rock structure and corresponding current rips. I slowly troll the "strike zone" which can sometimes only be a distance of 100 feet, then I am either repositioning for a repeat troll on the same structure or blasting off to the next spot. So, pulling the sea anchor in and out could be a pain. I will keep thinking about. (Although I am really leaning towards the 2 hp Honda.)
|Tom W Clark||
posted 02-12-2004 04:22 PM ET (US)
I would suggest you put something bigger than a 2 hp kicker on your Nauset. I think the ideal size for that hull is a 6 hp kicker which I had on my Montauk, but I've seen anything form 4 hp to 15 hp on that hull.
Dragging a sea anchor or five gallon bucket is sometimes seen around here (Puget Sound) but it is not really satisfactory for the type of salmon fishing I do. Often I need to be able to steer radically around all sorts of obstacles ranging from bottom structure, drift wood, kelp beds, other boats and rip lines.
To do this satisfactorily you also need to either stern your kicker manually at the stern or better yet, tie your kicker to the main motor and steer from he helm.
On my Montauk and Outrage I had a very simple steering link that did not interfere with anything at all. You did not need to disconnect it regardless of which motor was up or down, but you could disconnect it easily very via a quick disconnect fitting inside the boat.
Cabela's is one source for this steering connector http://www.cabelas.com and it remarkably similar to the kicker steering tie bar that Whaler itself offered as an accessory for the Nauset back in the 1960s and early 1970s.
The 16'-7" hulls accommodate a kicker very nicely. Regardless of what kicker you get, you should definitely clamp it directly onto the transom in the spots designated by Whaler with plywood reinforcement in the hull. The starboard side is preferred to put more weight on that side and counteract the prop torque that will tend to make your boat list to port while underway, but there is reinforcement on the port side as well. See the wood locating diagram in the Reference Section of continuousWave http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/16-17/graphics/16Wood.jpeg
posted 02-19-2004 01:04 AM ET (US)
I have used a 2hp Honda as a trolling motor on my 13 Sport. It is ideal for slow trolling, making hardly any noise at idle. It will move the boat at respectable speed for "no wake zones" which can be miles long on our AZ reservoir lakes. It is noisy at full speed because it is air cooled. I just clamped it on the port side of the transom, but I take it off when running across the lake at full speed. It also has more guts than the electric trolling motors I've used, but that may be because I've only used small, transom mount electrics. Sorry, I've never run it with a GPS. I think all of the larger Hondas are water cooled, and would be a lot quieter at speed. Dave
posted 02-19-2004 08:55 AM ET (US)
Thanks to all for the comments.
AZdave, sounds like the 2 hp engine worked for you. You mentioned that you would take the motor off when running full speed - did you actually remove it from the transom and if so was because it impeded with operating the boat ?
posted 02-19-2004 08:45 PM ET (US)
No, the outboard did not hinder the main engine. It just looks a little loose and vulnerable up there when running across the lake. Keep in mind that this is on relatively small reservoirs with cliffs for shoreline, and a very high density of 18 - 30 ft. powerboats. The crisscrossing wakes and reflected wakes make it really rough and hard to read early in the summer. Dave
posted 02-19-2004 09:56 PM ET (US)
gcl I have a 4hp johnson in Westhampton I took off my
montauk . you are welcome to try it to see what it does.
hope this helps.
83 18' outrage 89 13'gls
posted 02-22-2004 08:05 PM ET (US)
Tom W Clark I am amazed at your observations and the excellent info you provide these folks. I want to put a Nissan 5hp 4 stroke on my 67' Nauset but it is a short shaft. Right now I am 'borrowing' a 36 (amp?)old trolling motor and it pushes this ole BW fast enough for lake type trolling work. That was the beauty of the old 55hp Homelite/Bearcat 4 strokes of yesteryear. Troll all day at any speed without a wimper. Maybe saving our money for a good 4 stroke might be an answer!
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