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hauptjm posted 02-03-2004 12:25 PM ET (US)   Profile for hauptjm  
O.K., I've been under a rock for some time, because I was on the Johnson Web-Site today and noticed they now offer 200 and 225 H.P. 4-stroke engines.

I know Evinrude has been getting all of the recent press with the E-Tec engines, but I'm not sure how I missed this. Are these original to Johnson? Are they buying these from someone else? If so, who?

Tom W Clark posted 02-03-2004 12:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Suzuki
lhg posted 02-03-2004 02:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
However Suzuki kept the best for themselves, the 250.
hauptjm posted 02-04-2004 11:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
What exactly is Johnson buying from Suzuki? The entire package, the top half of the motor...?

Several members have commented that Bombardier has been neglecting the four-stroke market in favor of it's E-Tec technology. Is this an attempt to simply fulfill a market segment until the E-Tec comes out in larger displacements?

In adddition, it seems the Suzuki four-strokes are well thought of. It would be interesting to see if at some point in the future, Bombardier makes a play for Suzuki's outboard division. Of course, they will have to start making some money in the present with their own technology.

Tom W Clark posted 02-04-2004 12:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Jim,

When OMC introduced their four strokes in the 1990s, they were Suzuki Outboards with OMC lower units. This is diretly analogous to the Mercury four strokes which are really Yamaha outboards.

I do not know if the new Johnson four strokes use Bombardier lower units or not. I suspect the latter.

At the time of the Bombardier purchase of the OMC assets, I was talking with Seattle's long time Grady (former Whaler) dealer Terry McCartney who sells Johnson/Evinrude and Yamaha outboards.

He felt that Bombardier would have to develop their own four strokes if they were to be succesful in the outboard market. They couldn't just continue to sell somebody elese's outboard with their own decals. They are well positioned to do this given their industrial R&D in other product lines as well as their Rotax and personal watercraft engines.

It now seems they are invested in the new E-tec, but that doen't mean they don't have four strokes up their sleeves too. Time will tell.

For now though, if you buy a Bombardier four stroke outboard, it's a Suzuki.

hauptjm posted 02-04-2004 02:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
Tom, thanks for the information.

I wonder, if the E-Tec technology is really what Bombardier says it is, then the 4-stroke may almost be obsolete. I know it's to early to tell, and Mercury's new 4-stroke technology is souding quite interesting, but it seems if these new E-Tec's live up to their claims, they may "leapfrog" right past everyone.

Lastly, much has been made over the electrical system E-Tec uses. I wonder how Mercury has addressed this issue in the new technology. If I remember correctly, one of the biggest drawbacks to almost all of the newer technologies has been the incredible electrical requirements these new beast demand.

Competition: you gotta' love it!

Bigshot posted 02-04-2004 03:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Tom, Suzuki has always used an OMC copy for their foots. Even my 1981 140hp would use a V4 OMC prop. My Current 70hp Evinrude(suzuki) 4 stroke will use either a Suzuki or OMC V4 prop, depending on what spacer you use under the prop nut. Same as Yamaha and Merc props being interchangeable.

My 70 is a szuki painted blue that is adapted to use OMC controls and wiring harnesses.....Johnson are the same but white.

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