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HAPPYJIM posted 02-13-2004 05:04 PM ET (US)   Profile for HAPPYJIM   Send Email to HAPPYJIM  
In my search for a motor I have been passing on motors without Tilt/trim.

Is T/T really necessary or just nice to have?

My intended use would be in the creeks and small lakes for fishing, no skiing or tubing, with 2-3 people max.

thewad posted 02-13-2004 05:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for thewad  Send Email to thewad     
happyjim

you really don't need t/t. i've had a couple of 13ft and there was no need for t/t when driving. it would have been nice to have it when beaching the boat or lifting it up when your finishing boating. the 40 hp i had was a little heavy to lift up.

thewad

JohnL posted 02-13-2004 06:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for JohnL  Send Email to JohnL     
HAPPYJIM,

I have been asking myself the same question but for a differnt reason. Can my wife or daughter use the boat on thier own. As a kid I could lift the 35 hp johnson to the tilt position but a do remember that it involved the use of my legs and arms to get enough leverage. I am real sure my wife would not be able to tilt even some of the smaller 25 HP four strokes. I do agree with THEWAD that I have never needed to tilt the motor, but I am starting to think for the family it will be the way to go.

My 2 cents

John L.

SpeedBump posted 02-13-2004 06:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for SpeedBump  Send Email to SpeedBump     
I have a 40 HP yamaha long shaft with out PT&T on a classic 13. It stays in the water all summer long. I often wish the outboard was equipped w/power T&T. Would have made life much better for the wife and kids when they use the boat. Also would be nice for getting into the shallows. If you can afford the option I would recommend getting it.
dlmenius posted 02-13-2004 06:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for dlmenius  Send Email to dlmenius     
Yep, T&T is choice. I had a 30 hp w/o trim and I managed fine. Beaching is a pain. Wouldn't count on my wife doing it alone. Also, in the ocean, you wrestling in the back of the boat = waves in the back of the boat. Sometimes it's best to stay seated in the 13'4.
drd posted 02-13-2004 07:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for drd  Send Email to drd     
I was in a similar situation when I was repowering my 13 project last summer. I waited and searched and finally found a 40hp evinrude with t/t. It is just so easy to hit the switch to raise and lower then motor, especially in shallow water.
HAPPYJIM posted 02-14-2004 10:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for HAPPYJIM  Send Email to HAPPYJIM     
Thanks for all the info, I didn't think of other people (my daughter) using the boat.

I was looking for a used motor and only 1 out of 10 have T/T.

I realy didn't want to spend big bucks for a new motor because I still have work on my 21 to finish.

flawton posted 02-14-2004 11:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for flawton  Send Email to flawton     
We have a 79 - 13' Sport with a 91 johnson 40 without power T/T.

This rig has a hydraulic cylinder that allows manual adjustment of the trim with a lever that locks it in place. The cable that connects the lever and the cylinder (releases the cylinder lock and allows it to move up and down) has been a continual pain in the a#%. When the cable corrodes(this boat is used exclusively in salt water) and the engine is locked in the up position you are screwed and can't drop the engine. We have replaced this cable at least 3 times in the past 13 years (that doesn't include replacing the powerhead after VRO oil injection failure).

The 03 yamaha I put on my Newport last year was the first engine we have ever had with power T/T and we have come to the conclusion that when we repower the 13 that it WILL DEFINATELY have power T/T.

Being able to dail in your planing attitude under different loads with the flip of a switch is a big plus. Shallow water navigation is also a breeze (we get back into some super shallow creeks in the low country).

If you are planning on anything larger than 25 HP and can afford it I would definately put power T/T on your boat. You won't regret it.

Gene in NC posted 02-14-2004 11:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Gene in NC  Send Email to Gene in NC     
Geez Louise, what is this with t/t on these peanut motors. I ran 100 OMC on 16'7 for 35 years w/o t/t. Just grab the thing and snatch it up. Bad back most of the time too, but not from the motor.
keltonkrew posted 02-15-2004 08:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for keltonkrew  Send Email to keltonkrew     
I have power tilt/trim on my 13'....woulnd't have it any other way.

As said before, you can dial it in depending on your load, can get into some skinny water, etc. Just much easier.

Jarhead posted 02-15-2004 10:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jarhead  Send Email to Jarhead     
I've had it both ways. An older 13 with a 25hp Johnson w/o T/T and a newer 130 with a 25hp Merc. with T/T.

The older 13 did fine without T/T and I was happy with the set up for years. Then came the newer 130... Would I go back to no T/T? NOT A CHANCE!!!

To answer your question. IMHO No, it's not necessary just very, very nice.

My 2

dlmenius posted 02-15-2004 11:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for dlmenius  Send Email to dlmenius     
Jarhead,

It sounds like you have had some experience with 25 hp's on 13 sports. Check out the thread above.

Mumbo Jumbo posted 02-16-2004 12:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for Mumbo Jumbo  Send Email to Mumbo Jumbo     
I have a Yamaha 25 four stroke with power trim and tilt on my 1972 13'. After using it for three years, I cannot imagine doing without the T&T feature. It is very helpful in achieving proper trim in different load and sea conditions. The tilt feature also makes it possible to run at slow speeds in extremely shallow conditions in creeks and marsh areas. Nice if you spend much time in the marsh fishing for redfish. My engine is mounted about three inches high and when I am noodling along at idle, the skeg grounds just before the bottom of the hull does.
Florida15 posted 02-16-2004 12:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Florida15  Send Email to Florida15     
T&T is like a lot of things - if you don't have it, you don't miss it but once you have it, it would be hard to go back.
greyg8r posted 02-16-2004 02:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for greyg8r    
Happy,

If I was restoring ONLY my 1974 Katama, I would have done many things differently. But, like you, I have two boats to maintain / restore, so my boat allowance must be divvied between the two boats.

Skip the tilt, you can get by just fine without it, as should your spouse as well. The tilt on my 90 horsepower was bad and I am replacing it. But, in the meantime, I just took it off and I can hoist it up without injuring important body parts.

Save the dough on the tilt, which, as you indicated, is not common on those smaller engines anyways, and apply it to the bigger boat.

Just my $0.02 worth.

Richard

Whalerologist posted 02-17-2004 11:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerologist  Send Email to Whalerologist     
In my search for a motor I have been passing on motors without Tilt/trim.
Is T/T really necessary or just nice to have?

I'd say this is a mixed bag question. Necessary where I boat in south west Florida (shallow and can be treacherous). Nice to have in other areas where depth/draft is not an issue. I have it on my 2000 Johnson and it allows me about 8 MPH more on top end and better hole-shot too. I personally love it and would'nt do without it.

Glenn
Chicago, IL
Englewood, FL

BQUICK posted 02-17-2004 02:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for BQUICK  Send Email to BQUICK     
I agree, make it like multiple boats in one. Smooth (relative) mode, wild flying mode, fast mode, practical family mode. I picked up speed from 44 to 51 with a 50 Merc. 71 Sourpuss hull started digging the bow in at over 40. Needed it much more than my 68 earlier hull.

Bruce

Bigshot posted 02-17-2004 04:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Never had TnT on my Whalers. I had a 100hp, 70hp, 60hp, etc w/o TnT for years. Recently owned a 13' with a 25hp and kept saying to myself "Man have I gotten lazy in that I wish this had power tilt". If you find a good deal without, take it. You can buy the EZtilt thingy if wifey can't hoist it. I also had manual start on my 13's. I must have been a determined 12 year old because they aint easy to pull start.
HAPPYJIM posted 02-18-2004 08:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for HAPPYJIM  Send Email to HAPPYJIM     
Thanks for all the info and opinions. I haven't been in a 13 footer before so I appreciate all of your comments.

By the way, I ran away from my lovely X-wife(bless her heart) on 10 July 1993...so not a factor there.

Shortly after that glorious day is when I picked up my nick name.....Life is good!

BQUICK posted 02-18-2004 03:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for BQUICK  Send Email to BQUICK     
"aint easy to pull start"......

unless it's a 4 cyl 50 Merc. My 10 yr old started mine last summer (hot). The kid at the gas dock thought he was seeing things....

Bruce

greyg8r posted 02-18-2004 04:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for greyg8r    
Bquick,

I wouldn't want to meet up with your kid 10 years from now in a Bourbon Street brawl!

Richard

Bigshot posted 02-19-2004 10:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
I pull started a 115 before....cold. Not fun! That 2cyl 25hp has some mean compression in it. If she kicks back or starts weird, could mean a sore backside or a wet one depending on which way you fly:)
BQUICK posted 02-19-2004 02:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for BQUICK  Send Email to BQUICK     
No really my 10 yr old is only 70 lbs. He does have to use both hands though.....

I don't even have to stand up the start the thing hot, just turn around and pull. And I'm only 5'9" and 150.

I busted my knuckes starting 2 cyl 33s and 40s when I was a kid.

Bruce

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