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 Author Topic:   Predicting Tongue Weight mustang7nh posted 05-24-2004 03:28 PM ET (US)         I like my current tongue weight on dual axle galvanized trailer for my 1991 Outrage 22. However, I need to move the boat forward by 14". To keep the weight the same, is it a simple one to one relationship- meaning I just move the axles forward 14"? Thanks greyg8r posted 05-24-2004 05:11 PM ET (US)          By moving the axle forward, there would be more weight of the trailer aft of the axle, but because the weight of a trailer is usually a fraction of the wieght of the boat, I think this would be relatively minor.If it were me, I would try moving the axle 80% of the distance i move the boat to account for the shift in the weight of the trailer.Note: This answer is not as good as empirical or experimental data but is better than a wild a-- guess.Richard jimh posted 05-24-2004 06:18 PM ET (US)             A method for calculating trailer hitch loads (tongue weight) is presented in the Reference Section.This article presents an engineer's analysis of boat trailer weight distribution performed by Jerry Townsend, a fellow Boston Whaler owner who is a mechanical engineer (M.S.M.E) with considerable experience in modelling of tractor-trailer dynamics.See: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/trailering/trailerCalculations.html jimh posted 05-24-2004 09:09 PM ET (US)             Jerry Townsend also wrote a DOS-executable program to perform all the calculations needed to predict the tongue weight. This will be of great assistance to those not intimidated by numerals. kamie posted 05-25-2004 06:09 AM ET (US)             I used the DOS program mentioned to help in repositioning my Outrage on it's trailer. I moved it forward 12 inches and had to move the axle forward 12 inches to keep the same relative tongue weight. I will know on wednesday if it actually worked. Chuck Tribolet posted 05-25-2004 12:42 PM ET (US)             There will more trailer weight aft of the axle, but thetongue will be a shorter lever. Without actually running thenumbers, I'll bet they about balance out. My first try wouldbe to move the axle 14" and see what happens. If the tongueweight is off, run the numbers and move the axle again -- itdoesn't take that long, less than an hour on my single axletrailer, by myself.Mark where everything is on the trailer before you start. Ifyou end up having to move it back 1" (after the initial 14"),measure 13" from the original marks. This will avoid cumulative error.Chuck gimcrack225 posted 05-25-2004 03:52 PM ET (US)          Great information. I have to do this soon - the tongue weight is too heavy on tandem trailer with a 21' footer. The tongue jack is sinking into the asphalt.QUESTION- Is there a problem with maintaining wheel alignment? Do I take the trailer to get it aligned after I move the axles?ThanksKarl Jerry Townsend posted 05-25-2004 08:09 PM ET (US)             gimcrack225 --- Realigning after moving the axles may not be necessary - but take a few precautions. When moving the axle(s), make sure that the axle is square with the frame by having the same dimension between a point on the center of the hitch and an identical point on each side of the axle.Periodically closely look at the tires to see if there is any abnormal wear - on either side of either tire, or cupping, et.al. Should you notice abnormal wear - it's time to have the trailer axle aligned.Now, if one is moving the boat forward X inches, a good first shot at the axle(s) movement is to move the axle X inches. You will still have to move the axle(s) again because the distances have changed. --- Jerry/Idaho kglinz posted 05-25-2004 08:48 PM ET (US)             One thing that I have never seen mentioned on a tongue weight thread is "ball height". On a multi axle trailer with torsion bar axles, correct ball height is critical. On a multi axle trailer with leaf springs the springs are linked together through a bell crank, but with torsion bar axles the axles are completely independent. This means that the trailer frame must be parallel to the road surface or the axles will not carry equal weight. If the hitch is high the tongue weight increases. If the hitch is low the tongue weight is less. Kemp Lindsey

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