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Johnson Motors; How Much is Suzuki?
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posted 07-09-2004 08:30 AM ET (US)
I've been shopping for a new motor re-power Boston Whaler. While talking to a dealer who has both Johnson and Suzuki engines, he commented that the Johnson had the Suzuki powerhead but was a Johnson drivetrain and lower unit. I had not heard that before. The Suzuki has a unique and attractive drivetrain. I know that Mercury uses a Yamaha powerhead but the rest of the engine is theirs. Anyone know if there is a difference between the Johnsons and Suzukis, other that the paint? The weighs don't match for the same horsepower models.
posted 07-09-2004 11:17 AM ET (US)
Guy is an idiot. Johnson is 99% Suzuki. They use a different ignition and throttle cable syatem(to match OMC) and a different back psacing on the prop...plus white paint. I have an Evinrude/Suzuki 4 stroke...same soup to nuts as my buds Suzuki except for gauges/throttles/etc.
posted 07-09-2004 12:24 PM ET (US)
I had the Evinrude (now called Johnson) version and I didn't like the way it worked with the Evinrude/Johnson (OMC) binnacle style remote control. The control is not centered when the engine is neutral. This is because OMC wanted to use their standard control, which is different than Suzuki's.
Think of the motion of the throttle/shift handle as traveling in a 180-degree arc, with 0 degrees being full throttle reverse, and 180 degrees being full throttle forward. In neutral, the handle is around 60 degrees, as opposed to 90 degrees on every other boat I've ever owned. So, when the motor is in neutral, the handle appears to be in reverse
Most console designers (including Whaler) place the angle of the control mounting surface so that your hand is in a comfortable position when the handle is at 90 degrees when in neutral. I found this non-standard configuration to be awkward and inconvenient when maneuvering and docking. It would also be unfamiliar to anyone used to a normal control.
You can't adjust the handle position because both the engine (Suzuki's standard) and the control (OMC's standard) have a neutral safety switch, and both are connected, when actually only one is required. In theory, this also means you double the likelihood that a neutral safety switch malfunction could leave you stranded somewhere.
To use the Suzuki remote with the Johnson version engine, you would have to change some shift cable brackets on the motor and possible make wiring changes. I would not do that on a new engine under warranty.
This incompatibility does not exist when using the Suzuki version engine with the Suzuki remote. The handle is centered and there is only one neutral switch located at the engine. If I had to do it again, I would go all Suzuki.
posted 07-09-2004 01:35 PM ET (US)
I own both a Johnson and a Suzuki with the same control unit and they work the same. Suzuki controls are actually made by Morse so ANY universal control will work(even the old Chrome Morse).
posted 07-09-2004 01:55 PM ET (US)
Bigshot, thanks for the contol info; I have a chrome Morse control that I thought I'd have to recycle.
posted 07-09-2004 11:17 PM ET (US)
I've got the Evinrude (2001) and put in the OMC control. The shift doesn't line up as bw12 mentioned, but it's really no big deal for me.
However I have gone through 3 tilt and trim switches under warranty. They last about 2 months and fail.
I got tired of replacing them and mounted a switch on the dash this year.
If I was doing it over I would keep the Morse unit and put in an ignition switch and tilt/trim switch on the dash. Cheaper, cleaner and more authentic for a "classic"..Bob M.
posted 07-11-2004 10:18 AM ET (US)
Out on my Hydra-Sports yesterday and the throttle "lines up" but NOT with the neutral advance button which I think is throwing you guys off. If the throttle did not come to rest in the Neutral "detent" then your neutral safety would kick in and she would not start. As far as the trim switch goes...that is a weird one, mine is from 1994 and another from 2002 and both have never had a problem.
posted 07-11-2004 12:52 PM ET (US)
I have the same motor (2001 model) as Bigshot with the Morse MT-2 chrome controls. Works great.
I ground off all the chrome on the control handle, since it was pitted so bad, and spray painted black with a clear coat. It is holding up great so far.
posted 07-12-2004 09:33 AM ET (US)
My controls for my suzukis are the same as yamahas. The dealer who installed uses them for both.
posted 07-12-2004 03:39 PM ET (US)
Suzuki uses a "universal" control and hence why Yamaha works. I know Yamaha and Merc are identical. You can make just about any control work as long as you can get cables to fit in that are for your engine. Some use a universal cable and you just buy the end pieces for your engine, hence she will fit all brands.
posted 07-16-2004 01:02 PM ET (US)
I recently installed a Suzuki 140 with a Morse MT-3 Control. You can adjust where Nuetral is on the control by taking off the control handle and putting it back on at a different angle. I was unable to have Nuetral be at 90 degrees because the handle would hit the console before WOT, so I now have Nuetral at 75 degrees or so. I do not mind it.
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