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LHG posted 07-28-2004 04:20 PM ET (US)
Both manufacturers have announced that the 4-stroke 75's and 90's will get EFI. These engines should be available by Feburary. As to who actually makes the EFI system going on these engines, I don't know. The powerhead is by Yamaha.
Yamaha F50 and F60's, powerhead purchased from Mercury, will now also get the EFI that Mercury has been using.
Mercury announced a 2% price increase on all conventional 2-strokes and EFI's, but 60 and smaller 4-strokes will remain unchanged. As they get ready to announce the Verado 135-150-175 4 cylinder 4-strokes, they are dropping the price on the 150 Optimax by 7.5 percent, 3.0 percent on the 175 Opti.
Yamaha is bringing out a 250 HP version of it's 200-225 4-stroke, with variable camshaft timing. Supposedly, this increases low end torque by 16%
bluerunner posted 07-31-2004 05:21 PM ET (US)
According to the Yamaha website, 2005 motors will be introduced August 2, at 12:00 noon eastern time.
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/categories02/5/otb/yamaha_outboard_motors.aspx
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 08-01-2004 05:43 PM ET (US)
Sounds like the 150 & 175 opti's are on their way to dinosaur land.
LHG posted 08-02-2004 08:39 PM ET (US)
Jack - How you been? Hope all is well with you, family and Whaler!
I think the smaller Opti's, are going to become Mercury's "value" line as the new smaller Verados come on line and the conventional 2 strokes are discontinued. Hence the lower pricing. Just a hunch, but with no defintite information.
I would guess this to be the case with Yamaha also.
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 08-03-2004 10:23 PM ET (US)
Hey Larry:
I'm still down here in Jupiter'/Singer Island hanging around Sailfish at night with my son. We've fished Jupiter all summer and tommorow the boat is being detailed and set back down on the trailer, heading back this Thursady, parties over! Boat ran flawlessly no problems at all with boat systems or motors. Hope you and yours had a great summer!!!
Hoosier posted 08-05-2004 11:23 AM ET (US)
Larry, Can you point me to more info re Verado 135-150-175 4 cylinder 4-strokes? I've been waiting for an E-TEC in that power band but think that at this rate BRC won't have them out till 2010.
seahorse posted 08-05-2004 06:47 PM ET (US)
Hoosier,
The mid-range E-TECs are scheduled for this time next year. The 200-225-250 Evinrude E-TECs are due out in October or November this year.
I've run the V6 E-TECs and they are amazing; quiet, smooth, no smoke, no shake, 500 rpm idle, and emit fewer emissions than an equivalent 4 stroke.
jimh posted 08-05-2004 08:03 PM ET (US)
Come to Miami Boat Show in February 2005. George Buckley said last week that is where the I-4 will be introduced.
Hoosier posted 08-07-2004 01:04 AM ET (US)
How about the Detroit Boat Show, it's a lot closer for me.
Thanks seahorse. Is that when they'll be available or just announced?
outragesteve posted 08-07-2004 02:07 AM ET (US)
Just received a fax from Mercury (I have an OEM account) The Federal Trade Commision had investigated (requested by Mercury Marine) and found that Japenese outboard mfrg's have "dumped" engines in the US market. Effective within just a few days, all future imports of engines from Japan will carry a 22.5% tariff! THis could be both good and bad for the consumer, depending on how the domestic manufactuers price future engines. Maybe a reasonable price on a 135/150 Verado!
seahorse posted 08-07-2004 05:17 AM ET (US)

Hoosier,
The E-TEC V-6s have been announced since last year's Miami Boat show. Trailer Boats magazine in the current issue tested one on a 23' HydraSport. I drove a pre-production E-TEC 200 last Wednesday and was very impressed.
According to Bombardier, the production lines should be spitting them out in a couple of months.
Hoosier posted 08-07-2004 03:00 PM ET (US)
seahorse,
My leading alternative to the E-TEC was the Suzuki 115 or the same engine with a Johnson decal on it. I want an engine that will troll all day with no noise and no fumes. With the news about the tariff being placed on Japanese engines all I can think is Mercury was looking for a way to raise prices. This could really help Evinrude if they hold the line on the E-TEC engines, which are US made.
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 08-08-2004 11:10 PM ET (US)
My crystal ball tells me the majority of 2 strokes will be phased out by 2006 including Optis and Hpdi's. By than the players including Suzuki and Honda will have perfected the 4 strokers.
Yamaha will have a 250 and a 300 4 stroker and Merc will have the smaller block Verados as the marketplace heats up over 4 stroke technology.
I did see a 255 Conquest last week powered by a single Verado 250, Impressive!
AQUANUT posted 08-09-2004 10:07 PM ET (US)
trafficlawyer,
it would be very premature to count 2 stroke engines out of the picture....

I personally doubt that it will happen..
look at the fuel standard on the mercury opti maxs... many are right at the 2006 standards already.

clean your crystal ball!
Aquanut out!
imko posted 08-10-2004 11:10 AM ET (US)
The 75 & 90 with EFI; is this the same 1600cc engine or is
it the 1740cc engine?
imko posted 10-21-2004 11:05 AM ET (US)
The new yamaha 75 & 90 EFI are on the yamaha 2005 site, when are the mercury 75 & 90 EFI coming out on the mercury site?


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Author	Topic: Mercury and Yamaha 2005 model year news
LHG	posted 07-28-2004 04:20 PM ET (US) Both manufacturers have announced that the 4-stroke 75's and 90's will get EFI. These engines should be available by Feburary. As to who actually makes the EFI system going on these engines, I don't know. The powerhead is by Yamaha. Yamaha F50 and F60's, powerhead purchased from Mercury, will now also get the EFI that Mercury has been using. Mercury announced a 2% price increase on all conventional 2-strokes and EFI's, but 60 and smaller 4-strokes will remain unchanged. As they get ready to announce the Verado 135-150-175 4 cylinder 4-strokes, they are dropping the price on the 150 Optimax by 7.5 percent, 3.0 percent on the 175 Opti. Yamaha is bringing out a 250 HP version of it's 200-225 4-stroke, with variable camshaft timing. Supposedly, this increases low end torque by 16%
bluerunner	posted 07-31-2004 05:21 PM ET (US) According to the Yamaha website, 2005 motors will be introduced August 2, at 12:00 noon eastern time. http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/categories02/5/otb/yamaha_outboard_motors.aspx
TRAFFICLAWYER	posted 08-01-2004 05:43 PM ET (US) Sounds like the 150 & 175 opti's are on their way to dinosaur land.
LHG	posted 08-02-2004 08:39 PM ET (US) Jack - How you been? Hope all is well with you, family and Whaler! I think the smaller Opti's, are going to become Mercury's "value" line as the new smaller Verados come on line and the conventional 2 strokes are discontinued. Hence the lower pricing. Just a hunch, but with no defintite information. I would guess this to be the case with Yamaha also.
TRAFFICLAWYER	posted 08-03-2004 10:23 PM ET (US) Hey Larry: I'm still down here in Jupiter'/Singer Island hanging around Sailfish at night with my son. We've fished Jupiter all summer and tommorow the boat is being detailed and set back down on the trailer, heading back this Thursady, parties over! Boat ran flawlessly no problems at all with boat systems or motors. Hope you and yours had a great summer!!!
Hoosier	posted 08-05-2004 11:23 AM ET (US) Larry, Can you point me to more info re Verado 135-150-175 4 cylinder 4-strokes? I've been waiting for an E-TEC in that power band but think that at this rate BRC won't have them out till 2010.
seahorse	posted 08-05-2004 06:47 PM ET (US) Hoosier, The mid-range E-TECs are scheduled for this time next year. The 200-225-250 Evinrude E-TECs are due out in October or November this year. I've run the V6 E-TECs and they are amazing; quiet, smooth, no smoke, no shake, 500 rpm idle, and emit fewer emissions than an equivalent 4 stroke.
jimh	posted 08-05-2004 08:03 PM ET (US) Come to Miami Boat Show in February 2005. George Buckley said last week that is where the I-4 will be introduced.
Hoosier	posted 08-07-2004 01:04 AM ET (US) How about the Detroit Boat Show, it's a lot closer for me. Thanks seahorse. Is that when they'll be available or just announced?
outragesteve	posted 08-07-2004 02:07 AM ET (US) Just received a fax from Mercury (I have an OEM account) The Federal Trade Commision had investigated (requested by Mercury Marine) and found that Japenese outboard mfrg's have "dumped" engines in the US market. Effective within just a few days, all future imports of engines from Japan will carry a 22.5% tariff! THis could be both good and bad for the consumer, depending on how the domestic manufactuers price future engines. Maybe a reasonable price on a 135/150 Verado!
seahorse	posted 08-07-2004 05:17 AM ET (US) Hoosier, The E-TEC V-6s have been announced since last year's Miami Boat show. Trailer Boats magazine in the current issue tested one on a 23' HydraSport. I drove a pre-production E-TEC 200 last Wednesday and was very impressed. According to Bombardier, the production lines should be spitting them out in a couple of months.
Hoosier	posted 08-07-2004 03:00 PM ET (US) seahorse, My leading alternative to the E-TEC was the Suzuki 115 or the same engine with a Johnson decal on it. I want an engine that will troll all day with no noise and no fumes. With the news about the tariff being placed on Japanese engines all I can think is Mercury was looking for a way to raise prices. This could really help Evinrude if they hold the line on the E-TEC engines, which are US made.
TRAFFICLAWYER	posted 08-08-2004 11:10 PM ET (US) My crystal ball tells me the majority of 2 strokes will be phased out by 2006 including Optis and Hpdi's. By than the players including Suzuki and Honda will have perfected the 4 strokers. Yamaha will have a 250 and a 300 4 stroker and Merc will have the smaller block Verados as the marketplace heats up over 4 stroke technology. I did see a 255 Conquest last week powered by a single Verado 250, Impressive!
AQUANUT	posted 08-09-2004 10:07 PM ET (US) trafficlawyer, it would be very premature to count 2 stroke engines out of the picture.... I personally doubt that it will happen.. look at the fuel standard on the mercury opti maxs... many are right at the 2006 standards already. clean your crystal ball! Aquanut out!
imko	posted 08-10-2004 11:10 AM ET (US) The 75 & 90 with EFI; is this the same 1600cc engine or is it the 1740cc engine?
imko	posted 10-21-2004 11:05 AM ET (US) The new yamaha 75 & 90 EFI are on the yamaha 2005 site, when are the mercury 75 & 90 EFI coming out on the mercury site?