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Jorgen posted 08-14-2004 08:38 AM ET (US)   Profile for Jorgen   Send Email to Jorgen  
Was invited by Whaler Europe in Amsterdam to experiance the new Verado 225 mounted behind a 21 Ventura. Very impressive engine, I am sure that this is the new 4 stroke standard for the next deccade.

The engine is a real beauty and does not even wisper when started. The only thing you could hear was the waterstream from the engine and the servo engine of the powersteering.

My experiance is that it runs very smooth without hearing the engine at any speed, but I am personally missing the emotion due to the missing yell as with the Optimax.

This Verado had a 17 pitch Mirage propeller and speed seen on the smartcraft meter was at WOT 62 KMpH/34,4 Knotts.

The boat should be extremely responsive to the trottle, but I compare it with my 225 Optimax, with 21 pitch High Five mounted on a 210 Outrage and I think that´s really faster.

Does any one of you have tested te Verado next to Optimax already and has data on that? Who can state listprices of local dealers, since we do not have a clue because prices are availeble yet in Europe. Expactation is that it will be 5K Euro moore that the Optimax at same HP.

If the Verado is faster and better than the optimax, would Marine power continue the production of the Optimax?

erik selis posted 08-14-2004 09:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
Hello Jörgen,

I haven't personally had the chance yet to try out the Verado so I couldn't give you an answer from first hand experience. However on the Boston Whaler website you will find a comparison of both the 225 Verado and the 225 Optimax mounted on the same 210 Ventura. It seems that the Verado is the fastest of the two.

http://www.whaler.com/Rec/pdfs/210VenturaEng.pdf

Erik

Peter posted 08-14-2004 12:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
The test report shows they are about the same speed (within 2 MPH I call the same unless they show runs in both directions and an average top).

But look at the difference in fuel consumption at WOT. The Verado consumes almost 5 GPH more at WOT! Looks like low end torque comes at the expense of high fuel consumption at WOT. Probably a reasonable compromise unless you are a bass boater.

prm1177 posted 08-14-2004 12:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for prm1177  Send Email to prm1177     
However, if you look at the information at cruising speed the Verado os slightly more efficient: 6 gph at 3250/25 mph with the Opti at 7 gph at 3250/18.9 mph. Here the addd torque gets you up and planing more efficiently at the same RPM. Nearer the same cruise speed (27 mph) the Opti drinks 8.2 gph. That's almost a 27% efficienty improvement for the Verado at cruise. At WOT, it's another story.
erik selis posted 08-14-2004 01:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
The biggest difference is in the noise production.

Erik

Peter posted 08-14-2004 05:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
PRM, Verado at 3250 RPM is only going 22 MPH, not 25.

Looking at the slope changes in the graphs, the practical or realistic cruise speed for the 210 Ventura is between 25 and 30 MPH. At this speed range, the Optimax is actually more efficient about 3.3 MPG versus about 3.2 MPG for the Verado. Comparing the performance of a two stroke versus a 4-stroke at the same RPM is meaningless. Also, the powerheads are running through different gear ratios (1.75:1 to 1.86:1). The higher ratio of the Verado means it has a mechanical advantage over the Optimax. It's like having 4.10 gears instead of 3.73 gears in a pick-up truck.

The Verado certainly has more guts than a normally aspirated 4-stroke but I don't believe it will out do a DI 2-stroke.

Be careful when looking at the Verado data at Whaler.com. In many, but not all, instances they have lightened the load for the Verado as compared to the same boat with the Optimax to make its performance look nearly equal to the Optimax.

Sal DiMercurio posted 08-15-2004 01:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal DiMercurio  Send Email to Sal DiMercurio     
I was reading in last months "Bass & Walleye Boats" that the Verado in 250 hp range cost in excess of $19,000
This is just my humble opinion.
I think the Verado is over rated & they really must push their advertizing for them because they [ Brunswick ] has over $100,000,000 tied up in those engines.
I would certainly love to see Whaler test both the Verado & E-Tech against each other but that will never happen.
I have a very strong feeling the E-Tech is going to really put the hurt on the Verado in sales & performance.
Having to run 92 octane fuel in order to get the advertized hp out of that engine is not my idea of a practical engine because the average guy isn't going to spead $2.55 per gallon of fuel here in Ca.
It's really very hard for the 4 strokes to compete with the new DI 2 stroke engines because the DI engines are really showing their worth.
Sal
jimh posted 08-15-2004 10:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I believe that Mercury have announced a price reduction in the OPTIMAX engine line. As we get close to the cutoff of 2-stroke engine sales, apparently the OPTIMAX will be come the "value" price line, replacing the classic two-stokes that can no longer be manufactured.
Jorgen posted 08-17-2004 07:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jorgen  Send Email to Jorgen     
Thank you all for your input, I appericiate it a lot. In Holland Europe, we have seen a price decrease this year on the Optimax Saltwater series of approx. 1500 Euro.
I am sure that regardless the exchange rate, Brunswick adopts the Euro pricing eaqual to the dollar.

Like to know the US $ pricing if possible

VBR,

Jörgen

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