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outfox posted 07-11-2005 02:47 PM ET (US)

Looking at re-powering next year our 1993 17' Outrage with a 90Hp Honda or 90-115Hp E-Tec.
Looking for your Ideas on Economy, Trolling, Low Noise & All Out Speed and performance.
Thanks Bob

Buckda posted 07-11-2005 03:06 PM ET (US)
What do you have right now, and how do you feel about the performance?
Personally, I'd go with the E-Tec. Some may consider me biased, but I think with the weight to power ratio, the E-Tec is a hands-down winner for the repower market for classic Whalers.
The 1993 hull may be able to handle the increased weight of the Honda or any other 4 stroke, but why add extra weight when you don't have to?
The only caveat on the E-Tec vs. the Honda - the Honda is a tried and true engine. They are heavy and noisier than the newer 4-strokes, but are a proven reliable engine. The E-Tecs are based on the FICHT block for Evinrude...also a proven block (except for the early problems they had with them) and simply utilize the newer technology of the E-Tec componentry and control systems. It is rapidly gaining a good reputation as a motor, but is still relatively new.
If you are thinking of getting less power than you currently have, you should ONLY go with the 2-stroke E-Tec (for weight to performance considerations), but do that ACWFA (Against ContinuousWave Forum Advice)...You should be looking for the maximum power available for the boat, in the lightest package available.
My opinion. :)
Dave
outfox posted 07-11-2005 04:20 PM ET (US)

Thanks for the great ideas Dave. We currently have a 1992 115Hp Evinrude Original That has seen better days.
If I go with the E-Tec I'm thinking of adding an engine bracket that will allow us to move the straight up and down with the engine tilt/trim ??
Still in the thinking process..........B
Buckda posted 07-11-2005 04:26 PM ET (US)
Going with the E-Tec also allows you to keep your existing guages and controls (if that is a consideration - re: cost of the conversion).
I think the setback bracket is an excellent idea. I'm considering adding one to my 18 this winter so it will be ready to go when/if I repower with the E-Tec 150 HP (If I end up going with twin E-Tec 90's like I'm tempted to, I'll only have to buy one additional bracket then). I think I will keep my existing Teleflex-Morse Control and Sea-Star Hydraulic steering, but go with the newer guages, if that is feasible.
I've been keeping my eyes peeled and my ears are keen for reports of major problems with these motors, but so far, it's been software glitches and warranties have covered everything. Sounds like the engineers have most of the glitches in software worked out before the product launch, and the few others are easily fixed with a software patch/download from the factory.
outfox posted 07-11-2005 05:43 PM ET (US)

Great Ideas again Dave.
What are some of the setback bracket are you looking at. Some that come to mind are Springfield Marine setback bracket or West Marine's Power Lift Transom Jacks.

Thanks again..........Bob
Buckda posted 07-11-2005 05:51 PM ET (US)
Good luck finding a Springfield Marine bracket nowadays.
I really like the Rite Hite 8" setback plates. LHG just put one on his 21 Outrage and Teak Oil has one on his Montauk. They are really nice units with a very nice powdercoated finish.
Backlash and I were speaking about jackplates over the 4th of July weekend. He has an early 1990's Springfield jackplate on his 21 WA, and we discussed how "clumsy" the adjustment is becuase they put the adjustment screw on the bottom of the unit. The RITE HITE is right on top, so you can adjust it right there in the water. When you're dialing the boat in, this will save you the time to return to the ramp and make an adjustment, go back and make a run, go back and make another adjustment, etc. You can do it all out on the same patch of water. Good option in my book.
The only other one that I really like is the CMC one by Cook Manufacturing...but it is simply anodized aluminum and I really like the powdercoated finish on the Rite Hite.

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Author	Topic: Repower Outrage w/ 90 Honda or E-Tec ???
outfox	posted 07-11-2005 02:47 PM ET (US) Looking at re-powering next year our 1993 17' Outrage with a 90Hp Honda or 90-115Hp E-Tec. Looking for your Ideas on Economy, Trolling, Low Noise & All Out Speed and performance. Thanks Bob
Buckda	posted 07-11-2005 03:06 PM ET (US) What do you have right now, and how do you feel about the performance? Personally, I'd go with the E-Tec. Some may consider me biased, but I think with the weight to power ratio, the E-Tec is a hands-down winner for the repower market for classic Whalers. The 1993 hull may be able to handle the increased weight of the Honda or any other 4 stroke, but why add extra weight when you don't have to? The only caveat on the E-Tec vs. the Honda - the Honda is a tried and true engine. They are heavy and noisier than the newer 4-strokes, but are a proven reliable engine. The E-Tecs are based on the FICHT block for Evinrude...also a proven block (except for the early problems they had with them) and simply utilize the newer technology of the E-Tec componentry and control systems. It is rapidly gaining a good reputation as a motor, but is still relatively new. If you are thinking of getting less power than you currently have, you should ONLY go with the 2-stroke E-Tec (for weight to performance considerations), but do that ACWFA (Against ContinuousWave Forum Advice)...You should be looking for the maximum power available for the boat, in the lightest package available. My opinion. :) Dave
outfox	posted 07-11-2005 04:20 PM ET (US) Thanks for the great ideas Dave. We currently have a 1992 115Hp Evinrude Original That has seen better days. If I go with the E-Tec I'm thinking of adding an engine bracket that will allow us to move the straight up and down with the engine tilt/trim ?? Still in the thinking process..........B
Buckda	posted 07-11-2005 04:26 PM ET (US) Going with the E-Tec also allows you to keep your existing guages and controls (if that is a consideration - re: cost of the conversion). I think the setback bracket is an excellent idea. I'm considering adding one to my 18 this winter so it will be ready to go when/if I repower with the E-Tec 150 HP (If I end up going with twin E-Tec 90's like I'm tempted to, I'll only have to buy one additional bracket then). I think I will keep my existing Teleflex-Morse Control and Sea-Star Hydraulic steering, but go with the newer guages, if that is feasible. I've been keeping my eyes peeled and my ears are keen for reports of major problems with these motors, but so far, it's been software glitches and warranties have covered everything. Sounds like the engineers have most of the glitches in software worked out before the product launch, and the few others are easily fixed with a software patch/download from the factory.
outfox	posted 07-11-2005 05:43 PM ET (US) Great Ideas again Dave. What are some of the setback bracket are you looking at. Some that come to mind are Springfield Marine setback bracket or West Marine's Power Lift Transom Jacks. Thanks again..........Bob
Buckda	posted 07-11-2005 05:51 PM ET (US) Good luck finding a Springfield Marine bracket nowadays. I really like the Rite Hite 8" setback plates. LHG just put one on his 21 Outrage and Teak Oil has one on his Montauk. They are really nice units with a very nice powdercoated finish. Backlash and I were speaking about jackplates over the 4th of July weekend. He has an early 1990's Springfield jackplate on his 21 WA, and we discussed how "clumsy" the adjustment is becuase they put the adjustment screw on the bottom of the unit. The RITE HITE is right on top, so you can adjust it right there in the water. When you're dialing the boat in, this will save you the time to return to the ramp and make an adjustment, go back and make a run, go back and make another adjustment, etc. You can do it all out on the same patch of water. Good option in my book. The only other one that I really like is the CMC one by Cook Manufacturing...but it is simply anodized aluminum and I really like the powdercoated finish on the Rite Hite.