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tomroe posted 07-26-2005 09:37 PM ET (US)
I have had a 1978 V-20 Outrage for the past five years and have enjoyed it immensely. However it came free from its mooring and has suffered enough hull damage to total it.
I am looking to purchase a 1984 Outrage 25 with full transom and an operational Seadrive. If I purchase it, I will repower this winter with a setback bracket and either my existing Evinrude 225 (just rebuilt) or twins.
So now to my question; does anyone have experience with the two hulls and can tell me what the difference in handling and operation in rough chop on the Great Lakes will be.
I know that the longer hull and more weight will hopefully make a smoother ride, just looking for encouragement!
Thanks
jimh posted 07-27-2005 09:25 AM ET (US)
The difference in ride will be very significant, in favor of the 25-foot boat. This will be particularly true because of the flatter hull on the V-20 than on the Outrage 25. The setback bracket will further enhance this.
The full transom is a very nice bonus in favor of the Outrage 25, too.
macfam posted 07-27-2005 04:12 PM ET (US)
tomroe,
I can only speak of the difference between a Revenge V-20, and a 25 Revenge WT.
Just about twice the weight for the 25 over the 20.
The ride and handling characteristics of the 25 is "night and day" in my opinion.
Much smoother in all sorts of conditions, and with the addition of trim tabs, is a real pleasure to drive.
Several years ago in my 1982 Revenge V-20, while out on a choppy day with my wife, I stated, "I can't take this pounding much more". I then took a quote from "Jaws".
"I think we're gonna need a bigger boat."
She agreed, and I went on a search for the 25'.
Great choice, great boat, great wife!!
msl posted 07-28-2005 02:46 PM ET (US)
I feel that both boats are great, it just matters how you plan to use them. I just recently purchased a 1984 25' Outrage, and sea trialed two 20' outrages prior to buying the 25'er. As for putting a 225 on the back of a 25'er, I think you will feel under powered, I'm running twin 150's. With the twin 150 she jumps right out of the hole(4-blade props), and when wide open there is no concern for a china walk. When I have to repower, which is way down the rode, I will be looking at twin 200hp. The 25 has max hp rating for 300hp. As for her ride, it is very smooth on calm day and when it rough you feel safe as can be. We had her out last week in 3 to 4 footer in the Chesapeake, with 15 to 20mph winds coming from the east, and we were rolling at around 20-25mph with a little spray hitting us(comfortable). I feel the only advantage the 25 has over the 20 is more room and it opens you up your ability to go out in bigger water.
LHG posted 07-28-2005 06:09 PM ET (US)
You should be aware, before you make the purchase, that a 25' Sea Drive conversion to twin bracketed 2 or 3 star 150's is going to cost you around $24K, unless you can find a CR pair of left over carbed 150's.
The single 225 Evinrude will not be enough power for the hull. You'll be lucky to get 40 out it. If you are going to re-power with a single, get a 275 Verado.
highspeed_jd posted 07-28-2005 07:48 PM ET (US)
I too purchased an 84 model 25 in January. I can speak of exp. on a 19 lo-profile and now the 25. I have had my boat out in 3-5's and got a little spray rolling out at 15-20 knots with twin 140's. The 19 I've been out in 3-5's going about 8 knots with a 150, and it was miserable. The 25 is a cadillac compared to the 20. I think that you should save a little more and spring for the 25. Its worth it.
tomroe posted 07-30-2005 12:07 AM ET (US)
Thanks everyone for the input. I took it out today in some medium chop and it was amazing, the boat is now mine and I hope the SeaDrive lasts the rest of the season.
My first 25' question is this; there are scuppers (two) that drain the rear (covered) compartment. There are also port and starboard sumps in the main cockpit that have through hull fittings. There appears to be no way for water to get from the main cockpit area to the rear compartment (scupper) area until it reaches about 6"...why did they put in scuppers?
LHG; I'm hopefull that I can do the repower for less than 24K. I am in agreement that one 225hp will be insufficient, twin 200's would be nice. Buying used in the middle of winter and doing the rigging myself (with my two sons) should drop the cost considerably.
c_mccann posted 08-01-2005 05:49 PM ET (US)
I believe a 225 will be a good power choice for your hull, how fast do you want to go?? If you do inland waterways, I could see wanting 50kt. speeds, but you will pay for it in range.
LHG posted 08-01-2005 06:40 PM ET (US)
Tomroe - with a full transom Whaler, there is no way to quickly get rid of water taken overboard, since the transom notch is now blocked in.
So Whaler installed the two splashwell drains, with exhaust covers, for this purpose. There should also be two 3" dia holes in the spashwell dam. You can see photos of this in Jim's "Engine Bracket" article, last photo. This will help evacuate water fairly well, but not as fast as the notched transom. Just a compromise one has to live with. But I can say in owning one of these boats for 16 years, I have never taken a wave into the boat, hence these drains have never been used.
When re-powering the boat, I would not recommend anything less than twin 150's. Remember you must use 25" CR engines.
tomroe posted 08-03-2005 09:32 PM ET (US)
c_mccann - It's not that I want to go fast, I just want to be able to go fast. I would like to do around 40 at 3/4 throttle.
lhg - I looked at the pictures, I don't have the 3" holes in the splashwell dam as shown. That's what baffles me about the scuppers in the transom, all they drain is the covered area unlikely to get any water. Boston Whaler suggests leaving the thru hull fitting in the starboard sump open to drain the cockpit area. However, after having the boat out a few times I agree with you that it is unlikely that I will take on anything except rain water.

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Author	Topic: OUTRAGE V-20 vs OUTRAGE 25
tomroe	posted 07-26-2005 09:37 PM ET (US) I have had a 1978 V-20 Outrage for the past five years and have enjoyed it immensely. However it came free from its mooring and has suffered enough hull damage to total it. I am looking to purchase a 1984 Outrage 25 with full transom and an operational Seadrive. If I purchase it, I will repower this winter with a setback bracket and either my existing Evinrude 225 (just rebuilt) or twins. So now to my question; does anyone have experience with the two hulls and can tell me what the difference in handling and operation in rough chop on the Great Lakes will be. I know that the longer hull and more weight will hopefully make a smoother ride, just looking for encouragement! Thanks
jimh	posted 07-27-2005 09:25 AM ET (US) The difference in ride will be very significant, in favor of the 25-foot boat. This will be particularly true because of the flatter hull on the V-20 than on the Outrage 25. The setback bracket will further enhance this. The full transom is a very nice bonus in favor of the Outrage 25, too.
macfam	posted 07-27-2005 04:12 PM ET (US) tomroe, I can only speak of the difference between a Revenge V-20, and a 25 Revenge WT. Just about twice the weight for the 25 over the 20. The ride and handling characteristics of the 25 is "night and day" in my opinion. Much smoother in all sorts of conditions, and with the addition of trim tabs, is a real pleasure to drive. Several years ago in my 1982 Revenge V-20, while out on a choppy day with my wife, I stated, "I can't take this pounding much more". I then took a quote from "Jaws". "I think we're gonna need a bigger boat." She agreed, and I went on a search for the 25'. Great choice, great boat, great wife!!
msl	posted 07-28-2005 02:46 PM ET (US) I feel that both boats are great, it just matters how you plan to use them. I just recently purchased a 1984 25' Outrage, and sea trialed two 20' outrages prior to buying the 25'er. As for putting a 225 on the back of a 25'er, I think you will feel under powered, I'm running twin 150's. With the twin 150 she jumps right out of the hole(4-blade props), and when wide open there is no concern for a china walk. When I have to repower, which is way down the rode, I will be looking at twin 200hp. The 25 has max hp rating for 300hp. As for her ride, it is very smooth on calm day and when it rough you feel safe as can be. We had her out last week in 3 to 4 footer in the Chesapeake, with 15 to 20mph winds coming from the east, and we were rolling at around 20-25mph with a little spray hitting us(comfortable). I feel the only advantage the 25 has over the 20 is more room and it opens you up your ability to go out in bigger water.
LHG	posted 07-28-2005 06:09 PM ET (US) You should be aware, before you make the purchase, that a 25' Sea Drive conversion to twin bracketed 2 or 3 star 150's is going to cost you around $24K, unless you can find a CR pair of left over carbed 150's. The single 225 Evinrude will not be enough power for the hull. You'll be lucky to get 40 out it. If you are going to re-power with a single, get a 275 Verado.
highspeed_jd	posted 07-28-2005 07:48 PM ET (US) I too purchased an 84 model 25 in January. I can speak of exp. on a 19 lo-profile and now the 25. I have had my boat out in 3-5's and got a little spray rolling out at 15-20 knots with twin 140's. The 19 I've been out in 3-5's going about 8 knots with a 150, and it was miserable. The 25 is a cadillac compared to the 20. I think that you should save a little more and spring for the 25. Its worth it.
tomroe	posted 07-30-2005 12:07 AM ET (US) Thanks everyone for the input. I took it out today in some medium chop and it was amazing, the boat is now mine and I hope the SeaDrive lasts the rest of the season. My first 25' question is this; there are scuppers (two) that drain the rear (covered) compartment. There are also port and starboard sumps in the main cockpit that have through hull fittings. There appears to be no way for water to get from the main cockpit area to the rear compartment (scupper) area until it reaches about 6"...why did they put in scuppers? LHG; I'm hopefull that I can do the repower for less than 24K. I am in agreement that one 225hp will be insufficient, twin 200's would be nice. Buying used in the middle of winter and doing the rigging myself (with my two sons) should drop the cost considerably.
c_mccann	posted 08-01-2005 05:49 PM ET (US) I believe a 225 will be a good power choice for your hull, how fast do you want to go?? If you do inland waterways, I could see wanting 50kt. speeds, but you will pay for it in range.
LHG	posted 08-01-2005 06:40 PM ET (US) Tomroe - with a full transom Whaler, there is no way to quickly get rid of water taken overboard, since the transom notch is now blocked in. So Whaler installed the two splashwell drains, with exhaust covers, for this purpose. There should also be two 3" dia holes in the spashwell dam. You can see photos of this in Jim's "Engine Bracket" article, last photo. This will help evacuate water fairly well, but not as fast as the notched transom. Just a compromise one has to live with. But I can say in owning one of these boats for 16 years, I have never taken a wave into the boat, hence these drains have never been used. When re-powering the boat, I would not recommend anything less than twin 150's. Remember you must use 25" CR engines.
tomroe	posted 08-03-2005 09:32 PM ET (US) c_mccann - It's not that I want to go fast, I just want to be able to go fast. I would like to do around 40 at 3/4 throttle. lhg - I looked at the pictures, I don't have the 3" holes in the splashwell dam as shown. That's what baffles me about the scuppers in the transom, all they drain is the covered area unlikely to get any water. Boston Whaler suggests leaving the thru hull fitting in the starboard sump open to drain the cockpit area. However, after having the boat out a few times I agree with you that it is unlikely that I will take on anything except rain water.