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nytugcapt posted 11-17-2005 10:56 AM ET (US)
The E-TEC 200 H.O. on my 1982 Revenge 22 came with a Viper 14-3/4 x 17 prop. Its maximum engine speed is 5,600-RPM. At 4,000-PRM the boat speed is 28-MPH; 4,500 = 32-MPH, 5,000 = 38-MPH, 5,600 = 42-MPH. Almost all of my time will be spent around 4,500-RPM. Is this the best wheel for this setup? Is there [another propeller] more efficient at cruise? These speeds were GPS averages with and against the tide. Top speed was as high as 46-MPH with and as low as 40 against, but strangely 4,000 rpm was 28 with and 28 against.
Peter posted 11-17-2005 11:28 AM ET (US)
Looks like top speed is 43 MPH. Very interesting. I recall I predicted about 42 MPH east of the Mississippi if the E-TEC 200 HO was producing 220 HP at the prop.
For cruising efficiency, try a 17P Mercury Mirage Plus. You'll need the hub kit for an Evinrude. Their pitch nomination is more conservative than BRP's. You should see about 29 to 30 MPH at 4000 RPM with a 17P propeller.
Also, I understand that BRP has come out with a new propeller for the E-TEC that is called the REBEL. You wouldn't need a hub kit to try it. I've never seen one so I have no idea how it will perform.
LHG posted 11-17-2005 02:18 PM ET (US)
What's with JimP's 225HP Opti equipped, non-Whaler Drive Revenge 22 doing 49 MPH with 1.76 gears and a 19" Mirage? I guess 5 more HP makes a HUGE difference in top end. And, an Optimax is known for great fuel mileage too. Just want to present the facts here so this is not considered bashing E-Tec. And, unlike the Verado 225 when compared to an E-Tec, the Optimax is a lighter weight engine. Seems like a no brainer to me. And with now proven Optimax, one is not a test Guinea Pig either.
Peter posted 11-17-2005 02:52 PM ET (US)
Larry, if JimP brought his Revenge East of the Mississippi, he'd lose 7 MPH. LOL. Have a nice day.
LHG posted 11-17-2005 03:22 PM ET (US)
And if he took it as far east as Europe, he'd lose 14 MPH?
And by the time he got it all the way around the world and back to Alaska, it would only be going 10 MPH?
Obviously, what's good for the goose is not good for the gander.
gf posted 11-17-2005 04:31 PM ET (US)

tugcapt, how high is your engine mounted? I would have thought you might be a little underpropped with that 17 pitch wheel but it sounds like you're proppped pretty close. That engine can spin up to 5800 RPM at WOT, right? You're almost there.
fourdfish posted 11-17-2005 07:32 PM ET (US)
Larry-- The man asked a question about a prop on an E-TEC and instead of helping him you had to insert a Mercury commercial.
Do you actually think you are going to change anyones mind here!!! Give it a break will ya!
nytugcapt posted 11-17-2005 08:10 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the replies. As far as the Optimax goes, we had one in our family for 4 years. It was a constant problem and was in the shop very often. It was always the same thing. Something related to battery power and the fuel injection not working because of it. I am sure that most people who own them love them but I will never own another Mercury. I may be somewhat of a test case with the e-tec but I do not have to worry about battery power to keep the engine running. I am not bashing everyone elses Mercs, just the ones that I have owned.
LHG posted 11-17-2005 08:41 PM ET (US)
Four-de. You missed the point, subtle and brilliant as it was! My post has nothing to do with NY. I wish him only the best with his new engine, and that it remains trouble free, more so than his old Optimax ever was, and certainly more so than some of these new Etec-60's we've been reading about.
I was simply giving 'ol Peter the same trash back, with some real facts, as Jim (rightfully so) wishes we use, which will help CW readers gain some fair comparisons. Verados always get trashed by you and Peter, when compared in your E-tec commercials, so with this credible information on a new, rare E-tec powered classic Boston Whaler, it makes complete sense to me to finally compare the statistics and facts on the E-tec to the Optimax, basically the same technology, on same boats. The E-tec doesn't look so good, huh?
I know you guys can take it, as you should, since you sure can give it out, and you're quite confident in that the E-tec is a superior product. I'm not real concerned about Verado's future either, that's for sure.
As you say, it is time to give Merc a break, will ya? It's not my fault they bought Boston Whaler, forcing people to buy Merc equipped Whalers, and wiping out lucrative dealership profit sharing opportunities from the other brands. This is what's causing, well disguised, some of the underlying, concealed hostility to Brunswick on CW.
And why in the world would anybody even consider running a Mercury propeller on an E-tec? That Rebel sounds like the one to go with since it is specifically designed for the engine. Besides, they need the business and Mercury doesn't
Peter posted 11-17-2005 09:10 PM ET (US)
Fourd, Larry has been advertising for Mercury on CW for as long as I've been a member of CW, more than 5 years now. In all those years I can't ever recall an OMC, Yamaha or Suzuki thread that didn't have an LHG Mercury commercial of one sort or another inserted in it at some point. Get used to it because nothing is going to change.
fourdfish posted 11-17-2005 09:48 PM ET (US)
Larry-- Since I have not posted here in a long while, I forgot about your total biased posts. Thanks for reminding me.
#1 I went back and read Peters first post. And, He did not trash out anything, Period!
#2 I have not commented on the Verado here in a long while and then only about the weight issue.
#3 You have offered several times in past posts that the Merc Props were the best and the E-TEC would do good to use one.
#4 The rest of your post simply doesn't seem to make sense. Again, You used a question about a prop to plug Merc.
It's getting cold here now! I hope your back in warm Fla!
Happy Thanksgiving!!!
LHG posted 11-18-2005 01:17 PM ET (US)
Hey you E-tec guys, don't get so upset. All I did was take a rare opportunity to compare the performance, on similar 22 Revenge notched transom models, of an Optimax and a new big bore E-Tec, since there are not many of those out there yet. If the E-tec didn't hold up so well, it's not my fault. Nor was it Bass & Walleye magazine's fault. The 3.0 liter Optimax is a tough competitor. I was just offering facts from what I assume to be to very credible sources so that other CW'ers can have some facts to make their own 2 stroke DFI re-power decisions.
As to which engine people eventually chose, or even move over to a 4-stroke, I could care less.
I think I presented a valuable performance comparison
Peter posted 11-18-2005 02:05 PM ET (US)
Not getting upset at all Larry. I've come to expect a Mercury commercial in every thread concerning a non-Mercury brand of outboard, even the quite narrow topic threads like this one. I'm just wondering what the threshold is for inserting a commercial? I was thinking of posting a new topic eliciting comments on flywheel nut torque specifications for a Yamaha 90 2-stroke. Will that be sponsored by Mercury? ;)
LHG posted 11-18-2005 02:56 PM ET (US)
The threshold for insertion of an Evinrude commercial by you guys is mere mention of a Verado, or any 4-stroke for that matter, as a viable power option an ANY boat.
fourdfish posted 11-18-2005 08:22 PM ET (US)
Peter-- I have gotten used to the idea that Larry will hyjack anyones thread who asks for help and insert a commercial.
Larry-- You were correct when you said that your post had nothing to do with NY!! So why would you change the topic and insert a useless commercial when someone asks for help???
Why don't you start your own threads from now on with your commercials and spare those who ask for help???
If you read the Bass & Walleye article you would see that the test was again done with the wrong prop to sacrifice everything else to get the best top end speed which it did!!
The test is already being critized in the other forums like the hull truth. Before you said the tests don't prove anything but now you liked the results so the test is alright!! At least your consistant!!
LHG posted 11-18-2005 09:05 PM ET (US)
You guys just can't stand the fact that JimP's beautiful 22 Revenge is a really well performing boat, fast and economical. Here's wishing you a Merry Christmas, and I take no offense from your comments.
fourdfish posted 11-18-2005 09:32 PM ET (US)
Larry--It's unfortunate that none of us were around to see JimP's test results. It is also unfortunate that you and JimH were not able to stick around Door Co to get a ride in my boat this summer. What happened to Thanksgiving? Larry
jimh posted 11-19-2005 10:20 AM ET (US)
My friends and fellow contributors: I do not think that the information content of these articles is necessarily increased when they evolve into constant warfare between factions of particular engine brands.
In order to have comparable results, a testing procedure must be quite rigorous. It is not surprising that there will be a wide variation in reported results from anecdotal tests conducted on different boats, with different motors, in different waters, in different temperatures, at different times, and measured with different instruments.
I have seen a variation of 4-MPH in the top speed of my boat over the course of this season, depending on exactly how it is loaded, the winds, the waves, the current, the temperature. the fuel, and so on.
If A says his boat goes 49-MPH with a 225-HP motor and B says his boat goes 46-MPH with a 200-HP , I do not see this as sufficient to incite a riot.
CLethbridge posted 05-29-2007 09:53 PM ET (US)
I Have a 21.5-foot Bayliner Trophy and I just installed a new 200-HP E-TEC engine. I am trying to prop it right and looking for information. I tried a stainless steel Viper 14.8 X 17; the results were 5,600-RPM and 46-MPH. This is a three-blade propeller. Would the four-blade 13-1/4 x 19 give me more speed? What propeller would be the best?
jimh posted 05-29-2007 10:58 PM ET (US)
It is hard to make general statements about three-blade and four-blade propellers regarding which are faster, but, if anything, most of the time a propeller with fewer blades is faster. This is why really high speed boats use only two-blade propellers.
I am not sure of the gear ratio on your motor. If you can tell us the gear ratio we could compute the propeller SLIP and make some estimate of how well the current propeller is working for you.
stefan posted 05-30-2007 10:09 PM ET (US)
definitely recommend the rebel prop made for the E-TEC
I have a 19p on my 150 HP 18 outrage, and I am amazed by it's performance.
CLethbridge posted 05-31-2007 05:08 AM ET (US)
What size of boat do you have the rebel prop on?
My gear ratio is 1.85:1
CLethbridge posted 05-31-2007 06:12 AM ET (US)
I'm also having problems with getting the right out of the to the bow?Anyone have any suggestions.Also do anyone the speed of a bayliner trophy 21 ft with a 200Hp or A 175Hp?

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Author	Topic: E-TEC 200 H.O. Propeller
nytugcapt	posted 11-17-2005 10:56 AM ET (US) The E-TEC 200 H.O. on my 1982 Revenge 22 came with a Viper 14-3/4 x 17 prop. Its maximum engine speed is 5,600-RPM. At 4,000-PRM the boat speed is 28-MPH; 4,500 = 32-MPH, 5,000 = 38-MPH, 5,600 = 42-MPH. Almost all of my time will be spent around 4,500-RPM. Is this the best wheel for this setup? Is there [another propeller] more efficient at cruise? These speeds were GPS averages with and against the tide. Top speed was as high as 46-MPH with and as low as 40 against, but strangely 4,000 rpm was 28 with and 28 against.
Peter	posted 11-17-2005 11:28 AM ET (US) Looks like top speed is 43 MPH. Very interesting. I recall I predicted about 42 MPH east of the Mississippi if the E-TEC 200 HO was producing 220 HP at the prop. For cruising efficiency, try a 17P Mercury Mirage Plus. You'll need the hub kit for an Evinrude. Their pitch nomination is more conservative than BRP's. You should see about 29 to 30 MPH at 4000 RPM with a 17P propeller. Also, I understand that BRP has come out with a new propeller for the E-TEC that is called the REBEL. You wouldn't need a hub kit to try it. I've never seen one so I have no idea how it will perform.
LHG	posted 11-17-2005 02:18 PM ET (US) What's with JimP's 225HP Opti equipped, non-Whaler Drive Revenge 22 doing 49 MPH with 1.76 gears and a 19" Mirage? I guess 5 more HP makes a HUGE difference in top end. And, an Optimax is known for great fuel mileage too. Just want to present the facts here so this is not considered bashing E-Tec. And, unlike the Verado 225 when compared to an E-Tec, the Optimax is a lighter weight engine. Seems like a no brainer to me. And with now proven Optimax, one is not a test Guinea Pig either.
Peter	posted 11-17-2005 02:52 PM ET (US) Larry, if JimP brought his Revenge East of the Mississippi, he'd lose 7 MPH. LOL. Have a nice day.
LHG	posted 11-17-2005 03:22 PM ET (US) And if he took it as far east as Europe, he'd lose 14 MPH? And by the time he got it all the way around the world and back to Alaska, it would only be going 10 MPH? Obviously, what's good for the goose is not good for the gander.
gf	posted 11-17-2005 04:31 PM ET (US) tugcapt, how high is your engine mounted? I would have thought you might be a little underpropped with that 17 pitch wheel but it sounds like you're proppped pretty close. That engine can spin up to 5800 RPM at WOT, right? You're almost there.
fourdfish	posted 11-17-2005 07:32 PM ET (US) Larry-- The man asked a question about a prop on an E-TEC and instead of helping him you had to insert a Mercury commercial. Do you actually think you are going to change anyones mind here!!! Give it a break will ya!
nytugcapt	posted 11-17-2005 08:10 PM ET (US) Thanks for the replies. As far as the Optimax goes, we had one in our family for 4 years. It was a constant problem and was in the shop very often. It was always the same thing. Something related to battery power and the fuel injection not working because of it. I am sure that most people who own them love them but I will never own another Mercury. I may be somewhat of a test case with the e-tec but I do not have to worry about battery power to keep the engine running. I am not bashing everyone elses Mercs, just the ones that I have owned.
LHG	posted 11-17-2005 08:41 PM ET (US) Four-de. You missed the point, subtle and brilliant as it was! My post has nothing to do with NY. I wish him only the best with his new engine, and that it remains trouble free, more so than his old Optimax ever was, and certainly more so than some of these new Etec-60's we've been reading about. I was simply giving 'ol Peter the same trash back, with some real facts, as Jim (rightfully so) wishes we use, which will help CW readers gain some fair comparisons. Verados always get trashed by you and Peter, when compared in your E-tec commercials, so with this credible information on a new, rare E-tec powered classic Boston Whaler, it makes complete sense to me to finally compare the statistics and facts on the E-tec to the Optimax, basically the same technology, on same boats. The E-tec doesn't look so good, huh? I know you guys can take it, as you should, since you sure can give it out, and you're quite confident in that the E-tec is a superior product. I'm not real concerned about Verado's future either, that's for sure. As you say, it is time to give Merc a break, will ya? It's not my fault they bought Boston Whaler, forcing people to buy Merc equipped Whalers, and wiping out lucrative dealership profit sharing opportunities from the other brands. This is what's causing, well disguised, some of the underlying, concealed hostility to Brunswick on CW. And why in the world would anybody even consider running a Mercury propeller on an E-tec? That Rebel sounds like the one to go with since it is specifically designed for the engine. Besides, they need the business and Mercury doesn't
Peter	posted 11-17-2005 09:10 PM ET (US) Fourd, Larry has been advertising for Mercury on CW for as long as I've been a member of CW, more than 5 years now. In all those years I can't ever recall an OMC, Yamaha or Suzuki thread that didn't have an LHG Mercury commercial of one sort or another inserted in it at some point. Get used to it because nothing is going to change.
fourdfish	posted 11-17-2005 09:48 PM ET (US) Larry-- Since I have not posted here in a long while, I forgot about your total biased posts. Thanks for reminding me. #1 I went back and read Peters first post. And, He did not trash out anything, Period! #2 I have not commented on the Verado here in a long while and then only about the weight issue. #3 You have offered several times in past posts that the Merc Props were the best and the E-TEC would do good to use one. #4 The rest of your post simply doesn't seem to make sense. Again, You used a question about a prop to plug Merc. It's getting cold here now! I hope your back in warm Fla! Happy Thanksgiving!!!
LHG	posted 11-18-2005 01:17 PM ET (US) Hey you E-tec guys, don't get so upset. All I did was take a rare opportunity to compare the performance, on similar 22 Revenge notched transom models, of an Optimax and a new big bore E-Tec, since there are not many of those out there yet. If the E-tec didn't hold up so well, it's not my fault. Nor was it Bass & Walleye magazine's fault. The 3.0 liter Optimax is a tough competitor. I was just offering facts from what I assume to be to very credible sources so that other CW'ers can have some facts to make their own 2 stroke DFI re-power decisions. As to which engine people eventually chose, or even move over to a 4-stroke, I could care less. I think I presented a valuable performance comparison
Peter	posted 11-18-2005 02:05 PM ET (US) Not getting upset at all Larry. I've come to expect a Mercury commercial in every thread concerning a non-Mercury brand of outboard, even the quite narrow topic threads like this one. I'm just wondering what the threshold is for inserting a commercial? I was thinking of posting a new topic eliciting comments on flywheel nut torque specifications for a Yamaha 90 2-stroke. Will that be sponsored by Mercury? ;)
LHG	posted 11-18-2005 02:56 PM ET (US) The threshold for insertion of an Evinrude commercial by you guys is mere mention of a Verado, or any 4-stroke for that matter, as a viable power option an ANY boat.
fourdfish	posted 11-18-2005 08:22 PM ET (US) Peter-- I have gotten used to the idea that Larry will hyjack anyones thread who asks for help and insert a commercial. Larry-- You were correct when you said that your post had nothing to do with NY!! So why would you change the topic and insert a useless commercial when someone asks for help??? Why don't you start your own threads from now on with your commercials and spare those who ask for help??? If you read the Bass & Walleye article you would see that the test was again done with the wrong prop to sacrifice everything else to get the best top end speed which it did!! The test is already being critized in the other forums like the hull truth. Before you said the tests don't prove anything but now you liked the results so the test is alright!! At least your consistant!!
LHG	posted 11-18-2005 09:05 PM ET (US) You guys just can't stand the fact that JimP's beautiful 22 Revenge is a really well performing boat, fast and economical. Here's wishing you a Merry Christmas, and I take no offense from your comments.
fourdfish	posted 11-18-2005 09:32 PM ET (US) Larry--It's unfortunate that none of us were around to see JimP's test results. It is also unfortunate that you and JimH were not able to stick around Door Co to get a ride in my boat this summer. What happened to Thanksgiving? Larry
jimh	posted 11-19-2005 10:20 AM ET (US) My friends and fellow contributors: I do not think that the information content of these articles is necessarily increased when they evolve into constant warfare between factions of particular engine brands. In order to have comparable results, a testing procedure must be quite rigorous. It is not surprising that there will be a wide variation in reported results from anecdotal tests conducted on different boats, with different motors, in different waters, in different temperatures, at different times, and measured with different instruments. I have seen a variation of 4-MPH in the top speed of my boat over the course of this season, depending on exactly how it is loaded, the winds, the waves, the current, the temperature. the fuel, and so on. If A says his boat goes 49-MPH with a 225-HP motor and B says his boat goes 46-MPH with a 200-HP , I do not see this as sufficient to incite a riot.
CLethbridge	posted 05-29-2007 09:53 PM ET (US) I Have a 21.5-foot Bayliner Trophy and I just installed a new 200-HP E-TEC engine. I am trying to prop it right and looking for information. I tried a stainless steel Viper 14.8 X 17; the results were 5,600-RPM and 46-MPH. This is a three-blade propeller. Would the four-blade 13-1/4 x 19 give me more speed? What propeller would be the best?
jimh	posted 05-29-2007 10:58 PM ET (US) It is hard to make general statements about three-blade and four-blade propellers regarding which are faster, but, if anything, most of the time a propeller with fewer blades is faster. This is why really high speed boats use only two-blade propellers. I am not sure of the gear ratio on your motor. If you can tell us the gear ratio we could compute the propeller SLIP and make some estimate of how well the current propeller is working for you.
stefan	posted 05-30-2007 10:09 PM ET (US) definitely recommend the rebel prop made for the E-TEC I have a 19p on my 150 HP 18 outrage, and I am amazed by it's performance.
CLethbridge	posted 05-31-2007 05:08 AM ET (US) What size of boat do you have the rebel prop on? My gear ratio is 1.85:1
CLethbridge	posted 05-31-2007 06:12 AM ET (US) I'm also having problems with getting the right out of the to the bow?Anyone have any suggestions.Also do anyone the speed of a bayliner trophy 21 ft with a 200Hp or A 175Hp?