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Newps23 posted 02-16-2006 09:40 PM ET (US)
Without opening up a discussion of what to re-power with, what is the maximum transom weight and maximum horsepower rating of a 2001 OUTRAGE 23?
We have one of the unreliable 2001 OptiMax 225-HP motors, and we'd like to repower. I am leaning toward twin 150-HP motors, but I am assuming that four-stroke motors will be too heavy. With twin 135- or 150-HP motors on an OUTRAGE 23, what would the cruising speed be? The maximum speed? The fuel economy? Thanks.
bsmotril posted 02-17-2006 08:45 AM ET (US)
In the POST-CLASSIC section of the forum, there is a post about the Conquest 23 Hull being approved by Boston Whaler for re-power by Verados. That hull is the same as the Outrage 23, minus some weight up front from the cabin and deck. So it looks like it can handle a pair of 600-lb motors on the transom [e.g. a pair of 150-HP Verado motors--jimh.]. If it were mine, I'd be looking for less weight than the Verado and go with a pair of Merc OptiMax 150-HP motors which should get that hull up around 50-MPH and deliver just under 3-MPG at cruise. BillS
herbyon posted 02-17-2006 08:46 AM ET (US)
I have just bought an Outrage 23 with two SUZUKI 140-HP motors. I think that it is a good choice because the motors are economical and not heavy. I cannot speak to you of performance because I didn't test it, but I will value you informed.
PS: I live in France
bsmotril posted 02-17-2006 11:03 AM ET (US)
I would very much like to see some data about how the Suzuki motors perform for you. I've always thought those motors would be a good economical fit to that hull. BillS
Newps23 posted 02-17-2006 01:01 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the feedback guys. Does anyone have a 2001 catalog laying around that shows the maximum rated horsepower? I saw a 23 CONQUEST for sale with twin 200-HP Yamaha four-stroke motors, and it looked like it sat decently in the water. Has anybody seen or run a OUTRAGE 23 that had anything beyond the maximum horsepower rating?
Thanks
bsmotril posted 02-17-2006 04:43 PM ET (US)
The Conquest was rated for 300-HP maximum throughout its life. I'm pretty certain the Outrage 23 was rated the same. I'd be concerned with weight on the transom. With twin 150's, the cockpit scupper drains will be barely above the water line, and you have seas going in and out of the motor well drains on anything but the calmest days. BillS
ctoolman posted 02-17-2006 08:33 PM ET (US)
I have a 2001 OUTRAGE 23 with twin 150-HP OptiMax motors. I can attain 48-MPH with me (250-lbs) and 160 gallons of gasoline. I am getting about 2.5-MPG. I cruise between 30- and 35-MPH most of the time. I have about 450 hours on these motors now.
Yes, the scuppers are right above the water, maybe an inch or two at best.
When and if I re-power, I will be looking at four-stoke motors, either a single big 300-HP or twin 150-HP motors. The weights are close, so close my dealer told me not to even sweat it, no matter which brand I choose. Remember, too, you lose those two oil tanks when you go with four-stroke motors. My hull was rated for 300-HP maximum. It does not have a weight limit.
Depending on how quick you want to do this, I would be watching the new 300-HP Suzuki, and see how it does.
Newps23 posted 02-18-2006 06:04 PM ET (US)
Thanks Ctoolman. That was exactly the information I was looking for.
jimh posted 02-19-2006 10:53 AM ET (US)
I do not think the "weights are close" when comparing a single 300-HP motor to a pair of 150-HP motors. For example:
Verado 150-HP
527 X 2 = 1,054-lbs
Verado 275-HP
667-lbs
The twin engines weigh 387-lbs more.
If you want to test the difference in how your boat performs with 387-lbs additional weight on the transom, just get two walleye fishermen to ride along with you and sit on the top of the cowling of your current motor. Then imagine that every time you use your boat you will have the equivalent of these two guys onboard, hanging off the transom.
I know the 275-HP Verado is not a "300-HP" motor, but I can't imagine that adding 25-HP is going to increase the weight of the motor by 387-lbs. Also, I have been hearing for years that a 300-HP Verado is just around the corner, and will be based on the same motor as the 275-HP as far as weight.
KSFLOORCOVERING posted 02-26-2006 10:33 PM ET (US)
I have a 2000 23 outrage with twin Yamaha ox66 150's and I reach a top speed of 49 to 50 MPH. Not sure what the crusing speed is and the fuel economy is rough but I not exactly sure but I do have to buy alot of gas.
ctoolman posted 02-27-2006 06:44 AM ET (US)
jimh,
weight wise i was comparing 2 -2 stroke 150's to 2 4-stroke 150's..
i know i big single is lighter...
oroseiwhaler posted 03-03-2006 03:39 PM ET (US)
Hi, i have a '98 Outrage 23 with 2 Yamaha HPDI.
Weight is 932 lbs for both.
As ctcoolman mentioned, the scuppers ar 1-2 inch above the water, but with more than 3/4 people fishin on the stern, the water will drain back in to the boat.
I'm getting 1.5 MpG due that i carry mostly 6-11 Divers on board. Offshore Fishing is around 2 GpH.
Top speed under perfect conditions was 48 Knots without T-Top and 2 '98 Yamaha 150 HP carbed engines, with the HPDI it was 42/43 knots.
Mi fortune left me in october when i broke one of the HPDI's due to a sticked piston ring @ 5000 RPM / 43 Knots with only 250 Hours and the guarantee ended 6 month before. Not realy funny........
Repair will be about 6000 USD so i'm looking for 2 new 150 HP 4-Stroke Suzuki's.
Go with 4-Stroke motors, actual models are not heavier than 2-stroke engines and you dont have to mess around with 2-stroke oil.
For light use (3/4 persons and fishing gear) an no off-shore trips a 250/300HP single engine will be enough power and much less weight on the stern end 10'000 USD more in your pocket.
But 2 Engines is another world to ride and more secure!
good luck
Chris

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Author	Topic: 2001 OUTRAGE 23: Maximum HP and Transom Weight
Newps23	posted 02-16-2006 09:40 PM ET (US) Without opening up a discussion of what to re-power with, what is the maximum transom weight and maximum horsepower rating of a 2001 OUTRAGE 23? We have one of the unreliable 2001 OptiMax 225-HP motors, and we'd like to repower. I am leaning toward twin 150-HP motors, but I am assuming that four-stroke motors will be too heavy. With twin 135- or 150-HP motors on an OUTRAGE 23, what would the cruising speed be? The maximum speed? The fuel economy? Thanks.
bsmotril	posted 02-17-2006 08:45 AM ET (US) In the POST-CLASSIC section of the forum, there is a post about the Conquest 23 Hull being approved by Boston Whaler for re-power by Verados. That hull is the same as the Outrage 23, minus some weight up front from the cabin and deck. So it looks like it can handle a pair of 600-lb motors on the transom [e.g. a pair of 150-HP Verado motors--jimh.]. If it were mine, I'd be looking for less weight than the Verado and go with a pair of Merc OptiMax 150-HP motors which should get that hull up around 50-MPH and deliver just under 3-MPG at cruise. BillS
herbyon	posted 02-17-2006 08:46 AM ET (US) I have just bought an Outrage 23 with two SUZUKI 140-HP motors. I think that it is a good choice because the motors are economical and not heavy. I cannot speak to you of performance because I didn't test it, but I will value you informed. PS: I live in France
bsmotril	posted 02-17-2006 11:03 AM ET (US) I would very much like to see some data about how the Suzuki motors perform for you. I've always thought those motors would be a good economical fit to that hull. BillS
Newps23	posted 02-17-2006 01:01 PM ET (US) Thanks for the feedback guys. Does anyone have a 2001 catalog laying around that shows the maximum rated horsepower? I saw a 23 CONQUEST for sale with twin 200-HP Yamaha four-stroke motors, and it looked like it sat decently in the water. Has anybody seen or run a OUTRAGE 23 that had anything beyond the maximum horsepower rating? Thanks
bsmotril	posted 02-17-2006 04:43 PM ET (US) The Conquest was rated for 300-HP maximum throughout its life. I'm pretty certain the Outrage 23 was rated the same. I'd be concerned with weight on the transom. With twin 150's, the cockpit scupper drains will be barely above the water line, and you have seas going in and out of the motor well drains on anything but the calmest days. BillS
ctoolman	posted 02-17-2006 08:33 PM ET (US) I have a 2001 OUTRAGE 23 with twin 150-HP OptiMax motors. I can attain 48-MPH with me (250-lbs) and 160 gallons of gasoline. I am getting about 2.5-MPG. I cruise between 30- and 35-MPH most of the time. I have about 450 hours on these motors now. Yes, the scuppers are right above the water, maybe an inch or two at best. When and if I re-power, I will be looking at four-stoke motors, either a single big 300-HP or twin 150-HP motors. The weights are close, so close my dealer told me not to even sweat it, no matter which brand I choose. Remember, too, you lose those two oil tanks when you go with four-stroke motors. My hull was rated for 300-HP maximum. It does not have a weight limit. Depending on how quick you want to do this, I would be watching the new 300-HP Suzuki, and see how it does.
Newps23	posted 02-18-2006 06:04 PM ET (US) Thanks Ctoolman. That was exactly the information I was looking for.
jimh	posted 02-19-2006 10:53 AM ET (US) I do not think the "weights are close" when comparing a single 300-HP motor to a pair of 150-HP motors. For example: Verado 150-HP 527 X 2 = 1,054-lbs Verado 275-HP 667-lbs The twin engines weigh 387-lbs more. If you want to test the difference in how your boat performs with 387-lbs additional weight on the transom, just get two walleye fishermen to ride along with you and sit on the top of the cowling of your current motor. Then imagine that every time you use your boat you will have the equivalent of these two guys onboard, hanging off the transom. I know the 275-HP Verado is not a "300-HP" motor, but I can't imagine that adding 25-HP is going to increase the weight of the motor by 387-lbs. Also, I have been hearing for years that a 300-HP Verado is just around the corner, and will be based on the same motor as the 275-HP as far as weight.
KSFLOORCOVERING	posted 02-26-2006 10:33 PM ET (US) I have a 2000 23 outrage with twin Yamaha ox66 150's and I reach a top speed of 49 to 50 MPH. Not sure what the crusing speed is and the fuel economy is rough but I not exactly sure but I do have to buy alot of gas.
ctoolman	posted 02-27-2006 06:44 AM ET (US) jimh, weight wise i was comparing 2 -2 stroke 150's to 2 4-stroke 150's.. i know i big single is lighter...
oroseiwhaler	posted 03-03-2006 03:39 PM ET (US) Hi, i have a '98 Outrage 23 with 2 Yamaha HPDI. Weight is 932 lbs for both. As ctcoolman mentioned, the scuppers ar 1-2 inch above the water, but with more than 3/4 people fishin on the stern, the water will drain back in to the boat. I'm getting 1.5 MpG due that i carry mostly 6-11 Divers on board. Offshore Fishing is around 2 GpH. Top speed under perfect conditions was 48 Knots without T-Top and 2 '98 Yamaha 150 HP carbed engines, with the HPDI it was 42/43 knots. Mi fortune left me in october when i broke one of the HPDI's due to a sticked piston ring @ 5000 RPM / 43 Knots with only 250 Hours and the guarantee ended 6 month before. Not realy funny........ Repair will be about 6000 USD so i'm looking for 2 new 150 HP 4-Stroke Suzuki's. Go with 4-Stroke motors, actual models are not heavier than 2-stroke engines and you dont have to mess around with 2-stroke oil. For light use (3/4 persons and fishing gear) an no off-shore trips a 250/300HP single engine will be enough power and much less weight on the stern end 10'000 USD more in your pocket. But 2 Engines is another world to ride and more secure! good luck Chris