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Author | Topic: Fuel Additives for Ethanol Diluted Gasoline |
ukuslayer |
posted 08-08-2006 04:48 AM ET (US)
What fuel additives are used with ethanol blended fuel these days?. I have been mixing in STABIL and Mercury injector cleaner for my 1999 225-HP OptiMax motor. A mechanic I talked to here in Hawaii recommended STP-brand dry fuel and Lucas-brand oil injector fuel blended at proper amounts. I am running through a RACOR [filter] and have had no problems and no water accumulation in the bowl. I was just curious what others are doing to prevent problems occuring with ethanol blended gas. What your local mechanics recommending? Thanks in advance for all replys. Aloha Sean |
OutrageMan |
posted 08-08-2006 07:37 AM ET (US)
I don't add anything. I just make sure that I buy from marinas that sell a lot and depend on my RACOR filter. Fuel already has a ton of additives in it, and I see no need to add anything else except for StaBil for storage. Brian |
PeteB88 |
posted 08-08-2006 07:54 PM ET (US)
Seafoam has made a difference in all my motors. That or follow manufacturer's recommendations. |
Teak Oil |
posted 08-08-2006 09:08 PM ET (US)
StaBil and Sea Foam are the only ones for me also. |
sosmerc |
posted 08-08-2006 10:44 PM ET (US)
Mercury is currently recommending regular use of their Quickleen additive. Since plug fouling and misfiring are the most common problems seen on DFI engines, I believe I'll follow Merc's advice on my 1998 Optimax 135 and see if I can make it through a year without need for plug replacement. |
glen e |
posted 08-08-2006 11:27 PM ET (US)
Had been using Quikleen in all my Mercury OptiMax motors and easily got 200 hours outta my plugs. Using it in my Verado motors now and will go 300 to 400 [hours]. I'm sold. Here's my plug outta my Verado at 300 hours: |
ukuslayer |
posted 08-09-2006 04:10 AM ET (US)
Thanks for all the feedback guys. I have never heard of Sea Foam before. What is its intended purpose? |
Operaman |
posted 08-09-2006 01:46 PM ET (US)
Uku, Seafoam is an additive, fuel treatment, oil treatment in a can. NAPA has it on the shelf. Many think it is the best thing out there. It is also excellent for de-carbon. It is also available in aerosol also under the name Deep Creep. I have just started using it and anybody in the know states it is excellent. |
jxs226 |
posted 08-09-2006 02:11 PM ET (US)
Starbrite is making a product call Startron that supposedly stabilizes gasoline for up to one year while also preventing ethanol from separating and absorbing water. Startron is composed primarily of enzymes [see below] and didn't require an EPA certification. I'm trying this additive for the first time and will report back on its performance in my aluminized steel 12-gallon fuel tanks and 1975 85HP Johnson. |
Slippery Eel |
posted 08-10-2006 07:38 AM ET (US)
If you have an E-TEC, BRP recommends running 2+4 fuel additive in every tank. I am following that recommendation. Hutch |
jimh |
posted 08-14-2006 11:41 AM ET (US)
quote: According to the material safety data sheet (MSDS) Startron Gasoline Additive is composed primarily of the solvent naptha. The proprietary enzyme content is less than 0.5-percent by volume. See: http://www.starbrite.com/msdssheets/93008%2Dmsds%2D3%2D30%2D06%2Epdf |
PeteB88 |
posted 08-14-2006 12:22 PM ET (US)
Seafoam has naptha. Naptha must be bad ass stuff. My mom had a secret technique to get any oil spot out of clothes. We thought she was a magician, Everyone would take wrecked clothes to her and she woudl get the grease and stains out. Then I caught her once doing the secret technique. Now it can be revealed - Fels Naptha soap. Got me a bar when my wife was ready to trash my patagonia guide shell. It worked. She was shocked. Last week, I was doing wheel bearings in my favorite Exofficio fishin shorts, just a quick grease job, and I got Mobile 1 bearing grease all over them - kept going, fished in them two days, came home, got the Fels Naptha bar (must be 10years old) got it wet, srubbed up some paste on the grease spot, threw them on the floor, forgot about them, next day I got grease and gunk on another pair of Patagonia baggies, brand new, now what, did the same, got some dark clothes, threw them in the Maytag, stuffed 'em in the dryer. Grease/oil stains gone! The stuff worked on regular grease and synthetic grease - there's got to be a message here . . . |
bsmotril |
posted 08-14-2006 03:59 PM ET (US)
That is why I always keep a can of Ronson lighter fluid around the garage, even though I don't smoke. It's a cheap source of naptha which is a great de-greaser. BillS |
nytugcapt |
posted 08-15-2006 08:42 AM ET (US)
I use Pri-G. In addition to my outboards, I use it my motorhome and in my old Jeep. |
lakeman |
posted 08-18-2006 09:48 AM ET (US)
I also use Pri-G in Optimax, Corvette 98(14K miles) and my truck, and lets not forget the Generator for hurricanes as well. Reminds me to start the Generator and service it with new fuel, the fuel with Pri-G is now two years old and started on one pull 6 months ago |
diveorfish |
posted 08-25-2006 05:17 PM ET (US)
I can report up a bit about Startron. Two years ago I didn't get a chance to use my boat for about 8 months. About four months into storage I realized that I forgot to put fuel stabilizer in my tank and got worried. I found Startron at West Marine by accident. Since Starbrite makes the stuff and since they also make a pretty good non-skid cleaner, I thought I would at least take the time and read their booklet which was attached to the bottle of Startron. They make some makes big claims about this product. According to Starbrite, because of the natural enzymes in their product it does the following: Increases Power and Improves Fuel Inhibits Microbial Growth In Fuel Cleans Injectors, The Fuel Delivery Treats Water In Fuel by preventing the water molecules that are in fuel from combining and forming a Stabilizes Fuel Chemistry With those kinds of boasts I had to try it. When I went to start up my motors after 8 months they started right up and they purred like kittens. Final verdict: It definately works as a stablizer. My engines definately run a bit smoother so it must be cleaning the injectors and pistons to a certain extent. The rest of the claims I really couldn't say. I don't know about the fuel economy because I didn't really keep track of it, but I do now. Fully loaded, I average about 2.2 miles per gallon with twin Optimax 135s. I’m usually running and gunning those motors and going as fast as conditions permit. I don't know if that is good milage or not. |
swist |
posted 08-25-2006 06:53 PM ET (US)
Is Quickleen something one would use in a carburetor engine? I have a 2004 90-HP four-stroke which has a history on this website of carburetor problems (very narrow passages in carb which clog easily). I am using Stabil year-round but many people have also mentioned Quickleen. Would you use both? I have had zero engine problems approaching 200 hrs but prevention as they say. I am also sadly replacing my almost brand new fiberglass tank with a Moeller plastic tank. Too much evidence that there will be a problem eventually with E10 fuel. |
VI Jamie 22 |
posted 08-26-2006 04:51 PM ET (US)
Swist, Yes Quickleen will often help your engine. I use two bottles. One for the fuel tank and the other I use by emptying the onboard fuel filter and filling it up with quickleen, then I run the engine at high idle, until the exhaust smells funny, about 5 minutes into it, then I stop the engine and let it sit for a couple of hours or overnite. Sometimes this helps alot, and other times, not at all. I get enough good results that I can recommend it. |
bigjohn1 |
posted 08-27-2006 02:05 AM ET (US)
Assuming you're getting plenty of use out of the boat, use Quickleen all summer long in your gas. Then on the final tank of fuel for the season, treat that with Stabil. There is little need to use Stabil throughout the year if you're not letting the gas get old. The username ukuslayer sounds like you're in Hawaii; if that's the case and you're boating year-round and not letting fuel get old, Stabil is less of a necesity. |
swist |
posted 08-27-2006 07:51 AM ET (US)
I think your average weekend user should use Stabil all season, particularly if they have a carburetor Mercury-Yamaha 75-90 four-stroke. Anecdotal evidence indicates these carburetors gum up very easily because of very small passages. And having the boat sit five days out of seven is just not enough usage. |
mobey |
posted 08-30-2006 10:33 AM ET (US)
I have a 1987 Evinrude 88HP SPL that will start and run on some incredibly old nasty gas. I live in Wisconsin, I've owned this boat/ motor for twelve years now. I've never changed a spark plug. About half the winters the engine doesn't get fogged or touched in any way. It has never been in for any service or repair. The boat just is backed into the farm shed and there it sits until I go to use it again. Some years it has not bean used at all, some years it's used once or twice for a few hours. It has never seen more than five half-days of use throughout a boating season. Often the fuel in it is a mixture of 1 + 2 + 3 year old gas. Sometimes it gets a swig of Stabil, sometimes not. It has always started. A few times it's taken awhile, but it has always started and run. I do own engines that are very particular about the freshness of the fuel and their needs have to be tended to. I do understand that not all engines are as tolerant as my Evinrude. My point: It may not be the miracle gas treatment keeping your engine starting and running well, some engines just are more tolerant to older or inferior gasoline and will run well anyway. An engine using a certain brand of gas treatment starting and running after sitting for six or eight months does not necessarily tell me that the gas treatment was required, or the particular brand used is better than another. |
sflnative |
posted 09-20-2007 02:42 PM ET (US)
I'm gonna try the Startron. I completely emptied my 125 gallon tank and have just refilled with new gas. Funny, the $389 gas in the boat doesn't hurt as much as the weekly $75 gas for the truck to go to work! I was about to buy the Mercury Fuel Treatment & Stabilizer at $8 per bottle, 4 bottles needed, when I looked at the MSDS for the Mercury product...it is 95% isopropynol (alcohol)! Many of the articles I've also read mentioned that you should not put additional alcohol in your tank. The MSDS for the Startron lists the base as 95% Naptha. On Wilkepedia, Naptha is listed as a petroleum based liquid. I'm gonna try the Startron for this reason, and because I can treat the same 125 gallons for less than half the price. |
sosmerc |
posted 09-20-2007 10:03 PM ET (US)
I and many of my customers have been using Startron for several years now and I think it really works. I use it year-round at a ratio of 1 ounce for every 8 gallons of gas. |
oahuwhaler |
posted 09-21-2007 02:10 AM ET (US)
Uku,you can pick up non-ethanol gas at the Heeia kea pier Seafoam at Checkers Kaneohe. Also Statron at Grace Pacific. |
Azwhaler |
posted 09-29-2007 11:54 AM ET (US)
Is Startron compatible with two-stroke motors? It would seem the grease and oil cleaning properties would also affect the oil film that lubes the cylinder walls and bearings??? I use QuickKleen in two-stroke Mercury carburetor motors and it seems to work. Dealer says he mandates it for all OptiMax motors and highly recommends it for all motors. However it does not state on bottle that it conditions or stabilizes gasoline and ethanol in tank. |
jimh |
posted 09-29-2007 02:14 PM ET (US)
I use the fuel additives recommended by the maker of my motor on a routine basis. |
Azwhaler |
posted 09-29-2007 05:03 PM ET (US)
Makes sense Jim. Something else to keep in mind in the area of fuel: In the early 1980's with the advent of fuel injection, GM warranty costs went crazy. We did exhaustive tests at the proving ground with different brands of gasoline. Tearing down the engines after extensive running showed huge differences in fuels in deposits, sludge and soot particulary at the base of the injectors. This led to bulletins to dealers to advise customers to use only Chevron or Mobile fuels to prevent fouling. Other major brands developed cleaners soon after also but some cut rate do not. Chevron with techron (which is now in Texaco)was particulary good, it is all I use in vehicles or boats. Some of the additives lubricate the valve guides as well which is critical since the move to unleaded gas. One cut rate station alone in our town had over 1,600 complaints to the state for engine and fuel tank sender failures over several years. Major brands may cost more but I think you get what you pay for. |
Hines Pointer |
posted 10-04-2007 10:11 PM ET (US)
My BW dealer recommended the OMC 2+4 fuel additive for my '95 Johnson 90 V4. It works great! Plugs are clean until replaced every 2 years. |
Kingsteven18 |
posted 10-04-2007 10:45 PM ET (US)
Sorry boys, I use cheap gas, old gas, Wal-Mart 2 stroke oil, you name it. The only time I'm nice to my motors is with my winterizing mix. Never had a failure. |
nytugcapt |
posted 10-12-2007 07:49 PM ET (US)
There is a great article on fuel additives in this months Soundings, it's worth a look. |
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