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montauk steve posted 08-09-2006 12:08 AM ET (US)
I am starting to look into re-powering a MONTAUK with either an E-TEC 90 or [a Suzuki] DF70.
How many here have installed everything themselves--controls, wiring, gauges, and etc? Is the motor install to the jack plate similar to installing a car motor into the engine bay?
I have a quote for an E-TEC with XD-100, System Check tachometer, Trim, Volt, and Hour gauges, and a harness. Give me leads where I can go [to get more quotes].
Thanks
steve
ratherwhalering posted 08-09-2006 01:23 AM ET (US)
Steve, it's pretty simple. The jackplate bolts to the hull, list like an engine. The motor bolts to the jackplate just like to a transom. Start to finish, just a hour or two. If you have ever raised your motor up a bolt hole or two, you can install a jackplate.
Installing the E-TEC was not too complicated. Everything is "plug and play", and it's hard to make a mistake.
Here is a list of the parts I used in my installation.
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/007939.html
montauk steve posted 08-09-2006 11:25 AM ET (US)
thanks for the info. Just have to make sure i am not getting in too deep if i am trying to install everything myself.
upon starting your Etec did you have a mechanic to fine tune or pull anything off the EMM?
thanks
steve
Buckda posted 08-09-2006 11:44 AM ET (US)
Steve -
I also installed TWO E-TEC 90's on my 18' Outrage over the winter...on 10 inch setback brackets.
As Rob said - it's mostly plug and play and very easy to do when following the instructions.
I did not fire the motors until I took the boat back to the dealership for an inspection. This is a worthwhile cost (included for me) that I would pay as much as $100 just to make sure everything is right before the engines are fired. It also allowed him to program the EMM for the XD-100 oil, and as it turns out, some time between the shipping and my installation/inspection, there was an EMM software update that they also installed.
Incidentally, write down the update number that is currently on your motor when the dealer checks it - you can take it in to him when there is new software available and he should download it to your engine for free (BRP pays them for the updates to keep their products up to date with the latest software).
ratherwhalering posted 08-09-2006 04:01 PM ET (US)
Dave and I did the same thing. Before turning the key, I had a certified Evinrude mechanic/dealer inspect the installation, run the initial start up sequence to purge the oil lines of any air bubbles, update the EMM software, and program it for XD-100 oil. I think it was $129.00 including a gallon of XD-100 oil.
My situation was a little unique because this dealer didn't sell Evinrude E-TEC engines, they just service them. He was more than happy to do the work and sign off on the warranty.
jimh posted 08-10-2006 08:38 AM ET (US)
Generally an outboard motor manufacturer publishes extensive literature on the proper installation procedure for their motors. If you can obtain this literature it will be very useful and informative when installing a motor. I do not know for certain if all dealers will be cooperative in providing this literature. I know for certain that Bombardier has a very extensive manual (over 100 pages) covering the installation of their outboard motors.
I recommend you make suitable arrangements with a dealer to assist you in the installation and to perform a final check of your work so that your engine will be certified as properly installed. This will avoid any future disputes should a problem arise and repair under warranty is desired.
In my opinion, as part of the process of selecting a new engine and its brand you should give consideration to the local dealer who will be involved in supporting your engine. A local dealer who has a good service department, who has been trained and certified to support your engine model and brand, and who is willing to cooperate with a owner-installation of a new engine will be essential to having a good outcome.
Modern engines have sophisticated engine control and management modules which usually require that some initial set up and adjustment be performed. This usually requires specialized software and hardware which you will not be able to obtain as a customer; the engine manufacturers limit distribution of these materials to only their certified and trained dealers. WIthout access to these resources you will not be able to properly install the engine.
rtk posted 08-10-2006 05:33 PM ET (US)
I just did a complete repower of a classic 16.
A 90 E-Tec, CMC manual jackplate, all new controls, harness, fuel systmem, hydraulic steering.
It isn't a difficult job, but I had to scratch my head for a while trying to figure out how to bolt the jack plate to the transom, the engine mounted was a 1976 Evinrude, so the hole pattern was odd, and I didn't want to drill the bracket.
I did everything on the installation except final connection of harnesses to the engine, control cables to the engine, and the fuel line connected to the fuel tank.
Dealer did the final hookups, engine programming to XD100 oil, prop installation, launch (trailer to a ramp) and test run. Charged me 2 hours of labor.
I did work this out with the dealer when we negotiated the deal. He was happy to work with me on everything.
All good advice so far on this thread. I like doing my own work because I know how everything goes together. I like being familiar with the rigging etc. You save a few bucks, establish a relationship with a reasonable dealer and you know your boat well.
Go for it if you can work it out with your dealer.
Rich
montauk steve posted 08-10-2006 09:46 PM ET (US)
rtk
hey thanks for the info... that is exactly what i am looking for. I am still looking around for the motor. so far have a few leads from C-DUB. what jack plate did you get? the 4" non adjustable or the 5.5" adjustable in height by a take up screw?
thanks
steve
The Judge posted 08-11-2006 11:30 AM ET (US)
I have done many. Did a DF70 on my 17' and most recent was a DF115 on 19'. Took maybe 2 hours including the jackplate. Plug and play harness is easy as pie. Once you do it you will be puzzled why people pay a dealer to do the job or better et why the charge what they do. Get an adjustable jack plate so you can adjust it.
The Judge posted 08-11-2006 11:33 AM ET (US)
Ps this is a good benchmark for prices but you can beet them, especially in FL. New DF70's are going for about $5300.
http://www.edsmarinesuperstore.com/
941-758-3552 is marine surplus, they have just about everything and will ship.
rtk posted 08-11-2006 01:07 PM ET (US)
The engine bracket is the CMC ML 65 with 5.5 inch set back.
www.cook-mfg.com/
It is their manual lift adjustable jack plate. Engine height can be adjusted easily without removing the engine. Nice feature, and it came in handy.
Initial engine height was set with the anti-ventilation plate about 2 inches above the bottom of the hull. Initial test run, boat stood up almost straight upon initial power up, and porpoised quite a bit. Raised the engine height another inch the other night and went for a ride, big difference. Jumps right up on plane and handling and ride is fantastic. I had a **** eating grin on my face for hours.
For the engine install I picked up an engine lift from Harbor Frieght for $99.00 on sale.
The jack plate I used has a couple of different hole positions for mounting to the boat. The most time I spent mounting the bracket to the boat was to make sure when all was mounted I had adequate adjustment up and down to be able to set the engine height where I wanted.
Rich

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Author	Topic: SURVEY: Owner-Installed New Motor on Bracket
montauk steve	posted 08-09-2006 12:08 AM ET (US) I am starting to look into re-powering a MONTAUK with either an E-TEC 90 or [a Suzuki] DF70. How many here have installed everything themselves--controls, wiring, gauges, and etc? Is the motor install to the jack plate similar to installing a car motor into the engine bay? I have a quote for an E-TEC with XD-100, System Check tachometer, Trim, Volt, and Hour gauges, and a harness. Give me leads where I can go [to get more quotes]. Thanks steve
ratherwhalering	posted 08-09-2006 01:23 AM ET (US) Steve, it's pretty simple. The jackplate bolts to the hull, list like an engine. The motor bolts to the jackplate just like to a transom. Start to finish, just a hour or two. If you have ever raised your motor up a bolt hole or two, you can install a jackplate. Installing the E-TEC was not too complicated. Everything is "plug and play", and it's hard to make a mistake. Here is a list of the parts I used in my installation. http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/007939.html
montauk steve	posted 08-09-2006 11:25 AM ET (US) thanks for the info. Just have to make sure i am not getting in too deep if i am trying to install everything myself. upon starting your Etec did you have a mechanic to fine tune or pull anything off the EMM? thanks steve
Buckda	posted 08-09-2006 11:44 AM ET (US) Steve - I also installed TWO E-TEC 90's on my 18' Outrage over the winter...on 10 inch setback brackets. As Rob said - it's mostly plug and play and very easy to do when following the instructions. I did not fire the motors until I took the boat back to the dealership for an inspection. This is a worthwhile cost (included for me) that I would pay as much as $100 just to make sure everything is right before the engines are fired. It also allowed him to program the EMM for the XD-100 oil, and as it turns out, some time between the shipping and my installation/inspection, there was an EMM software update that they also installed. Incidentally, write down the update number that is currently on your motor when the dealer checks it - you can take it in to him when there is new software available and he should download it to your engine for free (BRP pays them for the updates to keep their products up to date with the latest software).
ratherwhalering	posted 08-09-2006 04:01 PM ET (US) Dave and I did the same thing. Before turning the key, I had a certified Evinrude mechanic/dealer inspect the installation, run the initial start up sequence to purge the oil lines of any air bubbles, update the EMM software, and program it for XD-100 oil. I think it was $129.00 including a gallon of XD-100 oil. My situation was a little unique because this dealer didn't sell Evinrude E-TEC engines, they just service them. He was more than happy to do the work and sign off on the warranty.
jimh	posted 08-10-2006 08:38 AM ET (US) Generally an outboard motor manufacturer publishes extensive literature on the proper installation procedure for their motors. If you can obtain this literature it will be very useful and informative when installing a motor. I do not know for certain if all dealers will be cooperative in providing this literature. I know for certain that Bombardier has a very extensive manual (over 100 pages) covering the installation of their outboard motors. I recommend you make suitable arrangements with a dealer to assist you in the installation and to perform a final check of your work so that your engine will be certified as properly installed. This will avoid any future disputes should a problem arise and repair under warranty is desired. In my opinion, as part of the process of selecting a new engine and its brand you should give consideration to the local dealer who will be involved in supporting your engine. A local dealer who has a good service department, who has been trained and certified to support your engine model and brand, and who is willing to cooperate with a owner-installation of a new engine will be essential to having a good outcome. Modern engines have sophisticated engine control and management modules which usually require that some initial set up and adjustment be performed. This usually requires specialized software and hardware which you will not be able to obtain as a customer; the engine manufacturers limit distribution of these materials to only their certified and trained dealers. WIthout access to these resources you will not be able to properly install the engine.
rtk	posted 08-10-2006 05:33 PM ET (US) I just did a complete repower of a classic 16. A 90 E-Tec, CMC manual jackplate, all new controls, harness, fuel systmem, hydraulic steering. It isn't a difficult job, but I had to scratch my head for a while trying to figure out how to bolt the jack plate to the transom, the engine mounted was a 1976 Evinrude, so the hole pattern was odd, and I didn't want to drill the bracket. I did everything on the installation except final connection of harnesses to the engine, control cables to the engine, and the fuel line connected to the fuel tank. Dealer did the final hookups, engine programming to XD100 oil, prop installation, launch (trailer to a ramp) and test run. Charged me 2 hours of labor. I did work this out with the dealer when we negotiated the deal. He was happy to work with me on everything. All good advice so far on this thread. I like doing my own work because I know how everything goes together. I like being familiar with the rigging etc. You save a few bucks, establish a relationship with a reasonable dealer and you know your boat well. Go for it if you can work it out with your dealer. Rich
montauk steve	posted 08-10-2006 09:46 PM ET (US) rtk hey thanks for the info... that is exactly what i am looking for. I am still looking around for the motor. so far have a few leads from C-DUB. what jack plate did you get? the 4" non adjustable or the 5.5" adjustable in height by a take up screw? thanks steve
The Judge	posted 08-11-2006 11:30 AM ET (US) I have done many. Did a DF70 on my 17' and most recent was a DF115 on 19'. Took maybe 2 hours including the jackplate. Plug and play harness is easy as pie. Once you do it you will be puzzled why people pay a dealer to do the job or better et why the charge what they do. Get an adjustable jack plate so you can adjust it.
The Judge	posted 08-11-2006 11:33 AM ET (US) Ps this is a good benchmark for prices but you can beet them, especially in FL. New DF70's are going for about $5300. http://www.edsmarinesuperstore.com/ 941-758-3552 is marine surplus, they have just about everything and will ship.
rtk	posted 08-11-2006 01:07 PM ET (US) The engine bracket is the CMC ML 65 with 5.5 inch set back. www.cook-mfg.com/ It is their manual lift adjustable jack plate. Engine height can be adjusted easily without removing the engine. Nice feature, and it came in handy. Initial engine height was set with the anti-ventilation plate about 2 inches above the bottom of the hull. Initial test run, boat stood up almost straight upon initial power up, and porpoised quite a bit. Raised the engine height another inch the other night and went for a ride, big difference. Jumps right up on plane and handling and ride is fantastic. I had a **** eating grin on my face for hours. For the engine install I picked up an engine lift from Harbor Frieght for $99.00 on sale. The jack plate I used has a couple of different hole positions for mounting to the boat. The most time I spent mounting the bracket to the boat was to make sure when all was mounted I had adequate adjustment up and down to be able to set the engine height where I wanted. Rich