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samjtay2 posted 02-14-2007 12:31 AM ET (US)
I have a 1983 Outrage 18, and I need to re-power. I know that weight is a big [concern], and I have no idea how much weight the transom can handle. Is a four-stroke 150 that weights 470 lbs too heavy? Should I go with a two-stroke 150 that weights 430 lbs? I also thought about powering the hull with twin 70-HP Yamaha motors. The shaft length is only 20", and the motor I have now has a 25" shaft. Advice is greatly needed and appreciated in my case. If someone could let me know what my best bet will be, either twins, 2 or 4 stroke, or a single 2 or 4 stroke. I love my Whaler and I love continuousWave. Thanks for your help with my boating dilemma.
JBCornwell posted 02-14-2007 07:30 AM ET (US)
The twin 70s would be heavier than the 150 4 stroke, and many many Outrage 18 were powered with twin OMC 70s (around 500lb). That should answer the weight capacity question.
If you have the option of a Suzuki DF150, Yamaha F150 or an ETEC 150 I think any of them would make you happy.
Red sky at night. . .
JB
kamie posted 02-14-2007 08:41 AM ET (US)
Since you have a 25 inch shaft i will assume a single. The cheapest is to repower with a single of the same brand since you can hopefully reuse your controls. The most expensive is to repower with twins of any brand since you will need to repair the transom and purchase all new controls. The big question is what was on there and how do you use the boat?
Weight on the transom is a concern but you will find 18 carrying 650 pounds or more so unless you plan to repower with twin 150s I am not sure weight is really the issue.
BOB KEMMLER JR posted 02-14-2007 02:52 PM ET (US)
150 EFI Mercury 2 stroke or 150 Mercury optimax are also good options.
jimh posted 02-14-2007 07:07 PM ET (US)
There are many possible motors. I would be guided by considering the local dealers. Choose a motor and brand that has a good local dealer.
JayR posted 02-14-2007 07:13 PM ET (US)
4 stroke - Suzuki and 2 stroke - Evinrude....
The only down side with the Suzuki is the color. The price and weight are certainly acceptable.
The E-TEC saltwater color is a great match to your gelcoat.
BOB KEMMLER JR posted 02-14-2007 08:26 PM ET (US)
We pick motors by color now Jay? I always figured you for the interior designer type. lol As far as color i say the black looks better on the desert tan hulls than a white or blue motor,but thats just my opinion. Now on my outrage gray 21 Revenge, black or white looks good.
galtsfan posted 02-14-2007 11:11 PM ET (US)
I'm sticking with your color coordination scheme. I perfer the Honda silver with the seafoam white for my Outrage II.
Of course, the 5 year warranty may have colored my decision making process.
JayR posted 02-15-2007 08:01 AM ET (US)
I have a confession to make Bob....
My last post was with you in mind. You have been so very well behaved lately and I commend you for it.
This cold weather and lack of fishing has been killing me. It was time for a little trolling. My bait was the color black.
I'm so ashamed.... I just had to confess.
I had a thought the first time I read the thread and wondered how long it would take for you to come in with a Mercury recommendation, particularly when it was not mentioned with the other three above.
An hour or so later I came back and low and behold, there was your Mercury plug. I got a good chuckle out of it as I knew it was just a matter of time.
So, being the devious sole I am, I threw out my baited hook just to see if you would nibble.
You inhaled it!
I'm truly sorry for my actions. Something got the better of me.
I've been off my meds for a few days and the compulsions can be overwhelming :-)
In all honesty, E-TEC white looks wonderful on my transom.
Too bad it has that black smudge in between. I should have had it powdercoated white.
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h211/BigJayR/boating/05192006046.jpg
BOB KEMMLER JR posted 02-15-2007 09:26 AM ET (US)
Jay-The only reason I threw those 2 Merc motors in the mix is because they were missing. That 150 EFI 2 stroke is still available at this moment(as far as i know) and is probably the best bang for the buck. It's the lightest and cheapest 150 around at 375 lbs and I think the last price quote I heard was $7500. The 150 Opti is a natural for those that want to go the DFI route. I would throw the BRP 90/115 carbed V4 out there if someone was looking to repower thier 16/17 hull, I have no brand loyalty.
I knew that was a baited hook, but it was a chance to poke some fun at you anyway. I feel your pain about the cold, it's raining here today and must be a frigid 65 out. BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR ;o)
JayR posted 02-15-2007 09:57 AM ET (US)
The Merc is a very economical way to go. I couldn't do it because of my wife and eldest son. Just a hint of exhaust and both are hanging over the sides. Ruined many a trip with the old Evinrude.
Constant battles to keep their faces in the wind made many trips less than fun.
The Suzuki's with there moderate weight and cost seem like the perfect compromise despite there color ;-) Had I not gotten such a killer deal on the E-TEC I would have gone with the Suzuki 150 myself. Lots of happy friends with them
One friend however, complains about valve adjustments that can be quite costly. Anyone know anything about that?
JayR posted 02-15-2007 09:58 AM ET (US)
their duh! Sorry Jim, I can see you wincing already LOL.
BOB KEMMLER JR posted 02-15-2007 10:39 AM ET (US)
Jay-Wouldn't it have been cheaper to just get the Mrs and the kid some gas masks?Might have made the trips quieter too ;o)
When i repower the 21 Revenge,it will be a toss up between the Opti,Etec,Suzuki and maybe the Verado as well.
The Judge posted 02-15-2007 12:46 PM ET (US)
Depends on where you live but Douglas marine in MA has demo Opticraps(for you Bob :) for REAL cheap. I think the 135 is $6800 with warranty.
The 150 Suzuki can be had for about $8500 and the 140 for low $7's. The Yamaha 150 can be had for low $9's as well...all 4 strokes of course.
Call every local dealer that is sitting around playing Jenga right now and see what they have in leftovers, I got my 2005 115 Suzuki last year for $5995.
runpasthefence posted 02-15-2007 03:20 PM ET (US)
I'm picking up a brand new Suzuki 175 Friday afternoon for my dad's new 18' Outrage. I'm hoping the deck will be re-cored and the tank will be in within 2-3 weeks.
samjtay2 posted 02-15-2007 11:32 PM ET (US)
thanks for all the replies. I've come to a fork in the road. I'm starting to debate if I should re-power or just buy a new rig, of course I would not be able to afford a whaler, I would probably have to go with a keywest, pro-line, or something along those lines. If I re-power, I'm definitaley going with either the e-tec 150 or e-tec 115 (maybe the 115 due to the money factor). I'm in general a very indecisive person and I'm starting to question the fact should I spend all this money to re-power a 1983 outrage 18 or should I sell it and buy a new boat alltogether. Please send advice, I'm in terrible need of quality advice at this point. Your advice so far has been stellar, and I realyy appreciate it.Once again thanks.
Troubled and in-decisive

JayR posted 02-16-2007 11:27 AM ET (US)
Repower. You have a super boat with that 18'. Anything else will feel second rate. Those other crafts do not compare in my opinion.
It's a no-brainer.....
penningtonjeff posted 02-16-2007 02:19 PM ET (US)
As a fellow indecisive whaler owner, i sympathize with you. I finally decided on a repower based on this:
- classic whaler + new motor = fully depreciated, possibly appreciating boat + depreciating motor.
- almost any other boat + new or used motor = depreciating boat + depreciating motor.
There are lots of other intangibles, but a whaler hull limits your downside.
And how many other powerboat classes have a board like this one!? The support (therapy) wishy-washy guys like me get here is worth sticking with a whaler
JDJET posted 02-17-2007 12:27 AM ET (US)
The Mercury 90 classic is still available. That was the way I decided to go with my classic 18 Outrage re-power. You also don't have to worry about painting the rite-hite setback brackets for a perfect match. The twin configuration will add a hefty 600+ pounds to the transom of the 18 Outrage but these whaler transoms are very well built and can handle it. I realize that this twin configuration is not for everybody but get it while you can! I did own a 1983 18 Outrage for a short time and it had the twin 70 Yamaha power mentioned above. If forced to run on one motor, the single Yamaha 70 would have a bit of difficulty planing the boat(personal experience). I would consider the Yamaha 90's for a twin application. That said, I would still recommend the Mercury setup over the Yammy's. Cost is not everything but the Mercury's do cost a bit less. As for Suzuki, how could anybody re-power a classic whaler with a motor that was made by the same company that gave the consumer the Suzuki Samurai(all wheel drive roll over rust box)! :) Jim
The Judge posted 02-17-2007 01:47 AM ET (US)
I have owned 6 suzuki outboards(3 four strokes & 3 2 strokes). I have owned 6 mercurys and all I can say is....I still run Suzukis and will continue to do so. This is not a duel but I can honestly say none of my Suzukis have EVER left me stranded or ever been back to the dealer, I can not say the same about Mercs. However...I have not owned a 4 stroke Merc and if the right deal came along I probably would.
The Judge posted 02-17-2007 01:56 AM ET (US)
PS...I repowered from an 175hp to a 115 4 stroke and am tickled pink. Sure I went from 50mph to 40mph but I cruise at 24mph and burn about 4.5gph where the 175 would burn at least 8gph at the same speed. With a 40 gal tank...it makes a huge difference and so quiet and smooth. I love my Suzukis and I will give a demo ride to anyone who is contemplating the same thing.
JDJET posted 02-17-2007 09:08 AM ET (US)
Nick, I think you realize I was just joking around:) I know Zuke makes a good motor! Sorry, about the vehicle reference. I know that was not fair! Jim.
The Judge posted 02-18-2007 02:30 PM ET (US)
I realize that that is why I said this is not a duel...s'all good mon!
The Judge posted 02-18-2007 02:32 PM ET (US)
Ps I owned a Samurai for a short time(got it from my sister) and I totally agree with that statement. Only goodhing about that car was 4wd and no top.
elaelap posted 02-18-2007 03:42 PM ET (US)
1988 Outrage 18 with a Yamaha F115 inline four cylinder four stroke EFI--not one problem in 750+ hours.
1976 Revenge 19 partnership boat with a Suzuki 140 four stroke EFI--ditto with 400 hours this past season.
Tony
Teak Oil posted 02-19-2007 04:26 PM ET (US)
I used to work with a 6'5" for NFL lineman who drove a Samurai and just looked rediculous in that thing. I told him he looked cool and hip, lol.
pineapplepig posted 02-20-2007 01:21 PM ET (US)
I have a 19 Outrage (18ft 6") with a 175 Etec and love it, a 150 on an 18 would be perfect, although they may actually be the same boat just renamed-mine is from 1991? Those hulls are not designed for too much weight on the stern IMO, so I would stick with the 2s and I think you will struggle to find a better boat of that size out there today so get on and re power. I have repowered mine 4 times as each time I looked for a replacement nothing came close.
cwolf posted 02-20-2007 07:08 PM ET (US)
Repowered a '91 Outrage 18 with a Yamaha F150 and I'm very satisfied that it was the right choice for this boat.
Roswell posted 02-21-2007 12:38 PM ET (US)
I just bought an E-TEC. If you do so before March 31 they will extend your warranty to 7 years, or give you cash back $4 per horsepower, or a 42-inch plasma TV. [I]'m going with the [extended warranty]. I have heard the computer sometimes needs to be re-programmed, which can cost a few hundred. Perhaps if you plan on keeping the engine for that long it would work well. [Mentions oblique reference to video website.]
-Roswell
Roswell posted 02-21-2007 12:47 PM ET (US)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-7I00cZUE0
The above [URI] shows two similar boats in a tug of war test where an Evinrude literally sinks another boat. Should have used Whalers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XRCDN3JKZ0
The second [URI] has a pretty big center console with two different outboards, where they test each engine seperately, and the E-TEC pushes the boat to 30, where a Yamaha can only get her up to 13. Who knows if they have similar props, but it is still pretty wild. The test is near the end of that video.
stefan posted 02-21-2007 10:23 PM ET (US)
sam,
I know how you Feel, I felt the same way, and what I found was my 1982 OUTRAGE 18 is a true classic, one of the most sought after Bosotn Whaler boats, and such a pure joy to be out in the water in. I did not even fathom the thought of selling and buying a new boat/engine. I knew my Outrage would hold its value, and it is built a heck of a lot better than the Proline and Sea Pros that are out there. After several months of research on weight, 2 vs 4 stroke, HP, I decided on the ETEC 150, with the Suzuki 140 as my second choice. Wait a few months, save the extra money and get the 150, trust me, it's worth the extra money over the 115 for that 18 outrage. or go w/ the 140 zuki- you won't go wrong w/ either.
C)I've been thrilled w/ my choice, and I'm sure you will be as well.
samjtay2 posted 02-24-2007 08:15 PM ET (US)
Thanks guys for all of your valuable advice. After reading your comments, I'm keeping my Whaler and I re-powering with an evinrude E-TEC 150. Once again thanks for your all of your help.

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Author	Topic: OUTRAGE 18 Re-power: Choices
samjtay2	posted 02-14-2007 12:31 AM ET (US) I have a 1983 Outrage 18, and I need to re-power. I know that weight is a big [concern], and I have no idea how much weight the transom can handle. Is a four-stroke 150 that weights 470 lbs too heavy? Should I go with a two-stroke 150 that weights 430 lbs? I also thought about powering the hull with twin 70-HP Yamaha motors. The shaft length is only 20", and the motor I have now has a 25" shaft. Advice is greatly needed and appreciated in my case. If someone could let me know what my best bet will be, either twins, 2 or 4 stroke, or a single 2 or 4 stroke. I love my Whaler and I love continuousWave. Thanks for your help with my boating dilemma.
JBCornwell	posted 02-14-2007 07:30 AM ET (US) The twin 70s would be heavier than the 150 4 stroke, and many many Outrage 18 were powered with twin OMC 70s (around 500lb). That should answer the weight capacity question. If you have the option of a Suzuki DF150, Yamaha F150 or an ETEC 150 I think any of them would make you happy. Red sky at night. . . JB
kamie	posted 02-14-2007 08:41 AM ET (US) Since you have a 25 inch shaft i will assume a single. The cheapest is to repower with a single of the same brand since you can hopefully reuse your controls. The most expensive is to repower with twins of any brand since you will need to repair the transom and purchase all new controls. The big question is what was on there and how do you use the boat? Weight on the transom is a concern but you will find 18 carrying 650 pounds or more so unless you plan to repower with twin 150s I am not sure weight is really the issue.
BOB KEMMLER JR	posted 02-14-2007 02:52 PM ET (US) 150 EFI Mercury 2 stroke or 150 Mercury optimax are also good options.
jimh	posted 02-14-2007 07:07 PM ET (US) There are many possible motors. I would be guided by considering the local dealers. Choose a motor and brand that has a good local dealer.
JayR	posted 02-14-2007 07:13 PM ET (US) 4 stroke - Suzuki and 2 stroke - Evinrude.... The only down side with the Suzuki is the color. The price and weight are certainly acceptable. The E-TEC saltwater color is a great match to your gelcoat.
BOB KEMMLER JR	posted 02-14-2007 08:26 PM ET (US) We pick motors by color now Jay? I always figured you for the interior designer type. lol As far as color i say the black looks better on the desert tan hulls than a white or blue motor,but thats just my opinion. Now on my outrage gray 21 Revenge, black or white looks good.
galtsfan	posted 02-14-2007 11:11 PM ET (US) I'm sticking with your color coordination scheme. I perfer the Honda silver with the seafoam white for my Outrage II. Of course, the 5 year warranty may have colored my decision making process.
JayR	posted 02-15-2007 08:01 AM ET (US) I have a confession to make Bob.... My last post was with you in mind. You have been so very well behaved lately and I commend you for it. This cold weather and lack of fishing has been killing me. It was time for a little trolling. My bait was the color black. I'm so ashamed.... I just had to confess. I had a thought the first time I read the thread and wondered how long it would take for you to come in with a Mercury recommendation, particularly when it was not mentioned with the other three above. An hour or so later I came back and low and behold, there was your Mercury plug. I got a good chuckle out of it as I knew it was just a matter of time. So, being the devious sole I am, I threw out my baited hook just to see if you would nibble. You inhaled it! I'm truly sorry for my actions. Something got the better of me. I've been off my meds for a few days and the compulsions can be overwhelming :-) In all honesty, E-TEC white looks wonderful on my transom. Too bad it has that black smudge in between. I should have had it powdercoated white. http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h211/BigJayR/boating/05192006046.jpg
BOB KEMMLER JR	posted 02-15-2007 09:26 AM ET (US) Jay-The only reason I threw those 2 Merc motors in the mix is because they were missing. That 150 EFI 2 stroke is still available at this moment(as far as i know) and is probably the best bang for the buck. It's the lightest and cheapest 150 around at 375 lbs and I think the last price quote I heard was $7500. The 150 Opti is a natural for those that want to go the DFI route. I would throw the BRP 90/115 carbed V4 out there if someone was looking to repower thier 16/17 hull, I have no brand loyalty. I knew that was a baited hook, but it was a chance to poke some fun at you anyway. I feel your pain about the cold, it's raining here today and must be a frigid 65 out. BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR ;o)
JayR	posted 02-15-2007 09:57 AM ET (US) The Merc is a very economical way to go. I couldn't do it because of my wife and eldest son. Just a hint of exhaust and both are hanging over the sides. Ruined many a trip with the old Evinrude. Constant battles to keep their faces in the wind made many trips less than fun. The Suzuki's with there moderate weight and cost seem like the perfect compromise despite there color ;-) Had I not gotten such a killer deal on the E-TEC I would have gone with the Suzuki 150 myself. Lots of happy friends with them One friend however, complains about valve adjustments that can be quite costly. Anyone know anything about that?
JayR	posted 02-15-2007 09:58 AM ET (US) their duh! Sorry Jim, I can see you wincing already LOL.
BOB KEMMLER JR	posted 02-15-2007 10:39 AM ET (US) Jay-Wouldn't it have been cheaper to just get the Mrs and the kid some gas masks?Might have made the trips quieter too ;o) When i repower the 21 Revenge,it will be a toss up between the Opti,Etec,Suzuki and maybe the Verado as well.
The Judge	posted 02-15-2007 12:46 PM ET (US) Depends on where you live but Douglas marine in MA has demo Opticraps(for you Bob :) for REAL cheap. I think the 135 is $6800 with warranty. The 150 Suzuki can be had for about $8500 and the 140 for low $7's. The Yamaha 150 can be had for low $9's as well...all 4 strokes of course. Call every local dealer that is sitting around playing Jenga right now and see what they have in leftovers, I got my 2005 115 Suzuki last year for $5995.
runpasthefence	posted 02-15-2007 03:20 PM ET (US) I'm picking up a brand new Suzuki 175 Friday afternoon for my dad's new 18' Outrage. I'm hoping the deck will be re-cored and the tank will be in within 2-3 weeks.
samjtay2	posted 02-15-2007 11:32 PM ET (US) thanks for all the replies. I've come to a fork in the road. I'm starting to debate if I should re-power or just buy a new rig, of course I would not be able to afford a whaler, I would probably have to go with a keywest, pro-line, or something along those lines. If I re-power, I'm definitaley going with either the e-tec 150 or e-tec 115 (maybe the 115 due to the money factor). I'm in general a very indecisive person and I'm starting to question the fact should I spend all this money to re-power a 1983 outrage 18 or should I sell it and buy a new boat alltogether. Please send advice, I'm in terrible need of quality advice at this point. Your advice so far has been stellar, and I realyy appreciate it.Once again thanks. Troubled and in-decisive
JayR	posted 02-16-2007 11:27 AM ET (US) Repower. You have a super boat with that 18'. Anything else will feel second rate. Those other crafts do not compare in my opinion. It's a no-brainer.....
penningtonjeff	posted 02-16-2007 02:19 PM ET (US) As a fellow indecisive whaler owner, i sympathize with you. I finally decided on a repower based on this: - classic whaler + new motor = fully depreciated, possibly appreciating boat + depreciating motor. - almost any other boat + new or used motor = depreciating boat + depreciating motor. There are lots of other intangibles, but a whaler hull limits your downside. And how many other powerboat classes have a board like this one!? The support (therapy) wishy-washy guys like me get here is worth sticking with a whaler
JDJET	posted 02-17-2007 12:27 AM ET (US) The Mercury 90 classic is still available. That was the way I decided to go with my classic 18 Outrage re-power. You also don't have to worry about painting the rite-hite setback brackets for a perfect match. The twin configuration will add a hefty 600+ pounds to the transom of the 18 Outrage but these whaler transoms are very well built and can handle it. I realize that this twin configuration is not for everybody but get it while you can! I did own a 1983 18 Outrage for a short time and it had the twin 70 Yamaha power mentioned above. If forced to run on one motor, the single Yamaha 70 would have a bit of difficulty planing the boat(personal experience). I would consider the Yamaha 90's for a twin application. That said, I would still recommend the Mercury setup over the Yammy's. Cost is not everything but the Mercury's do cost a bit less. As for Suzuki, how could anybody re-power a classic whaler with a motor that was made by the same company that gave the consumer the Suzuki Samurai(all wheel drive roll over rust box)! :) Jim
The Judge	posted 02-17-2007 01:47 AM ET (US) I have owned 6 suzuki outboards(3 four strokes & 3 2 strokes). I have owned 6 mercurys and all I can say is....I still run Suzukis and will continue to do so. This is not a duel but I can honestly say none of my Suzukis have EVER left me stranded or ever been back to the dealer, I can not say the same about Mercs. However...I have not owned a 4 stroke Merc and if the right deal came along I probably would.
The Judge	posted 02-17-2007 01:56 AM ET (US) PS...I repowered from an 175hp to a 115 4 stroke and am tickled pink. Sure I went from 50mph to 40mph but I cruise at 24mph and burn about 4.5gph where the 175 would burn at least 8gph at the same speed. With a 40 gal tank...it makes a huge difference and so quiet and smooth. I love my Suzukis and I will give a demo ride to anyone who is contemplating the same thing.
JDJET	posted 02-17-2007 09:08 AM ET (US) Nick, I think you realize I was just joking around:) I know Zuke makes a good motor! Sorry, about the vehicle reference. I know that was not fair! Jim.
The Judge	posted 02-18-2007 02:30 PM ET (US) I realize that that is why I said this is not a duel...s'all good mon!
The Judge	posted 02-18-2007 02:32 PM ET (US) Ps I owned a Samurai for a short time(got it from my sister) and I totally agree with that statement. Only goodhing about that car was 4wd and no top.
elaelap	posted 02-18-2007 03:42 PM ET (US) 1988 Outrage 18 with a Yamaha F115 inline four cylinder four stroke EFI--not one problem in 750+ hours. 1976 Revenge 19 partnership boat with a Suzuki 140 four stroke EFI--ditto with 400 hours this past season. Tony
Teak Oil	posted 02-19-2007 04:26 PM ET (US) I used to work with a 6'5" for NFL lineman who drove a Samurai and just looked rediculous in that thing. I told him he looked cool and hip, lol.
pineapplepig	posted 02-20-2007 01:21 PM ET (US) I have a 19 Outrage (18ft 6") with a 175 Etec and love it, a 150 on an 18 would be perfect, although they may actually be the same boat just renamed-mine is from 1991? Those hulls are not designed for too much weight on the stern IMO, so I would stick with the 2s and I think you will struggle to find a better boat of that size out there today so get on and re power. I have repowered mine 4 times as each time I looked for a replacement nothing came close.
cwolf	posted 02-20-2007 07:08 PM ET (US) Repowered a '91 Outrage 18 with a Yamaha F150 and I'm very satisfied that it was the right choice for this boat.
Roswell	posted 02-21-2007 12:38 PM ET (US) I just bought an E-TEC. If you do so before March 31 they will extend your warranty to 7 years, or give you cash back $4 per horsepower, or a 42-inch plasma TV. [I]'m going with the [extended warranty]. I have heard the computer sometimes needs to be re-programmed, which can cost a few hundred. Perhaps if you plan on keeping the engine for that long it would work well. [Mentions oblique reference to video website.] -Roswell
Roswell	posted 02-21-2007 12:47 PM ET (US) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-7I00cZUE0 The above [URI] shows two similar boats in a tug of war test where an Evinrude literally sinks another boat. Should have used Whalers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XRCDN3JKZ0 The second [URI] has a pretty big center console with two different outboards, where they test each engine seperately, and the E-TEC pushes the boat to 30, where a Yamaha can only get her up to 13. Who knows if they have similar props, but it is still pretty wild. The test is near the end of that video.
stefan	posted 02-21-2007 10:23 PM ET (US) sam, I know how you Feel, I felt the same way, and what I found was my 1982 OUTRAGE 18 is a true classic, one of the most sought after Bosotn Whaler boats, and such a pure joy to be out in the water in. I did not even fathom the thought of selling and buying a new boat/engine. I knew my Outrage would hold its value, and it is built a heck of a lot better than the Proline and Sea Pros that are out there. After several months of research on weight, 2 vs 4 stroke, HP, I decided on the ETEC 150, with the Suzuki 140 as my second choice. Wait a few months, save the extra money and get the 150, trust me, it's worth the extra money over the 115 for that 18 outrage. or go w/ the 140 zuki- you won't go wrong w/ either. C)I've been thrilled w/ my choice, and I'm sure you will be as well.
samjtay2	posted 02-24-2007 08:15 PM ET (US) Thanks guys for all of your valuable advice. After reading your comments, I'm keeping my Whaler and I re-powering with an evinrude E-TEC 150. Once again thanks for your all of your help.