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Newtauk1 posted 06-04-2007 12:26 AM ET (US)
My replacement Racor fuel/water filter came with an O-ring for the plastic see through drain, a gasket for the filter connecting to the seperator and finally a third gasket about 1 inch in diameter which I can not figure out where to place. I looked at the Parker(Racor) web site and found nothing that helped.
This filter is used on a Mercury 2 stroke. The Racor part is a replacement the Quicksilver filter. Racor #RAC S3213
Sal DiMercurio posted 06-04-2007 11:00 AM ET (US)
The only place I can think of, is where the filter screws into the head, because that about the only place there's a 1" screw-in.
I've changed my Racor about 20 times & never saw a 1"...."O" RING.
Sal
Newtauk1 posted 06-04-2007 11:30 AM ET (US)
Sal,
Agreed the screw stem would be the only possible place for this thing but it has a gasket already in place. I have a call into Parker/Racor. Tech reps are in Cal. so I hope to hear from them later today. I originally had the Quicksilver filter and replaced two years ago with the Racor. I do not recall nor do I see that 1" diameter gasket anywhere on the old racor filter.
Thanks for the reply.
NT1
zotcha posted 06-04-2007 12:03 PM ET (US)
I just went through this last month adding the smaller version Raycor to my 15 Sport. Want to say I discarded the one inch seal, but seem to remember it would have replaced the seal at the bottom of the bowl, where the pet-cock opens and closes for draining/inspecting fuel contents. I seriously cannot remember. Just threw away the instruction sheet on Saturday. Hope this was helpful. zot.
Newtauk1 posted 06-04-2007 12:18 PM ET (US)
Racor's response via voicemail (and it was quick) is that the gasket in question goes over the stud screw on the separator to "prevent bypass" of the fuel when the filter is attached.
I have put another call/voicemail into Racor to seee if this is a recent change. Up until now we have been exchanging voicemails preventing me from asking and getting additional info. I will post the results ASAP.
Newtauk1 posted 06-04-2007 02:12 PM ET (US)
Confirmed Racor has been using the 1" Diameter gasket for about 3 years.
Newtauk1 posted 06-04-2007 02:18 PM ET (US)
The term for the mount that the gasket fits over on the seperator is "spud". I previously called it a screw stud.
Sal DiMercurio posted 06-04-2007 05:11 PM ET (US)
Glad you posted this info because I've never paid attention to it.
I also thought it could be a replacement for the petcock screw.
Sal
Newtauk1 posted 06-04-2007 09:01 PM ET (US)
I gotta be honest with you Sal this gasket just does not look right on the filter. I (we) need to clarify this with RACOR.
jimh posted 06-04-2007 09:50 PM ET (US)
Were any instructions provided with the device?
Newtauk1 posted 06-04-2007 10:29 PM ET (US)
Jim. are you serious? I would have read them. Plastic bag from Boat US. On the shelf. Why hell do you think I called Parker/Racor?. All the filters from Racor at Boat US are displayed this way. Believe me I went to the Racor website first and then called them as well BEFORE I posted the question here to avoid a useless remark like yours first.
I think your question once again proves that you do troll your own web site and create confrontations as well.
You should appreciate my info on this recent change of Racor's fuel filter for Mercury outboards.
jimh posted 06-05-2007 12:43 AM ET (US)
Does RACOR have instructions available on their website?
jimh posted 06-05-2007 01:32 AM ET (US)
To answer my own question: see:
http://www.parker.com/racor/pdf/7480G/pdf/Section02.pdf
Scroll to page 7 of the PDF file. The actual folio on the page shows "97". No instruction sheet called out in the parts breakdown. I bought one (but an S3214 because I was using an OMC filter head) at BoatUS. It came in a plastic bag, too. I don't remember if I had any parts left over.
I did find this Press Release, touting the RACOR filter as having always been suitable for use with ethanol diluted gasolines:
http://www.parker.com/racor/pdf/PressRelease/PR_MarineGasoline.pdf
Newtauk--How about a picture of the leftover gasket?
jimh posted 06-05-2007 01:41 AM ET (US)
Also--That RACOR website is quite confusing. I never really found what I was looking for by using the site navigation. I had to use a GOOGLE search to locate the literature. They're a $9-billion company, so I guess outboard filters are not their principal focus!
But I agree with Newtauk--there is no clear illustration of any gasket arrangement or installation instructions on the website that I could find.
Newtauk1 posted 06-05-2007 08:55 AM ET (US)
Jim,
Sorry to vent(no pun intended) but as you can see the website gave no specific reference to the gasket in question. In fact when I tried to open the PDF's the other day they would not open for me. Believe me I always look for and read directions first. The next step was to contact Parker/Racor.
I am still concerned about the way the one inch gasket fits in the spud. It does not fit snug on the spud and upon tightening I wonder if it will migrate to one side. I may have to make a third phone call to Racor. They are going to think I am nuts , but something does not look correct.
NT1
Newtauk1 posted 06-05-2007 08:56 AM ET (US)
I will snap a few photos today.
Newtauk1 posted 06-05-2007 10:56 PM ET (US)
Sent photos to JimH. gasket does not seem to sit correctly on spud.
jimh posted 06-11-2007 11:40 PM ET (US)
Here is a picture of the mystery 1-inch gasket as RACOR recommended it be installed. The gasket is to prevent fuel from bypassing the filter by leaking around the threads on the spud.
Newtauk1 posted 06-12-2007 01:41 AM ET (US)
Jim. Thanks for editing and posting the photo. It looks great. The gasket appears in the photo to be seated well, but in reality the gasket can easily fall off to one side around the spud base.
I did install of the unit and all seems to be working fine, no leaks or fuel restrictions so far on the muffs. I will get the boat in the water this weekend for it's 2007 shakedown.
Many states are going to 10% ethanol and fuel filter separators are becoming more common on smaller boats. I hope this thread can be used a a reference in the future as more owners add filters.
seahorse posted 06-12-2007 07:24 AM ET (US)
What is interesting is that Racor does not include that gasket with its own replacement filter element or with its OMC or BRP replacement element.
The pictured filter bracket or head is the Mercury style, which is also the most commonly used design.
jimh posted 06-12-2007 08:01 AM ET (US)
In the OMC style filter, the threaded spud is larger in diameter, so the gasket would fit better. I bought a replacement RACOR filter to spin onto an OMC manifold with the larger spud, and I do not recall that the kit included this extra gasket. Maybe it was old stock.
Newtauk1 posted 06-12-2007 09:45 AM ET (US)
Seahorse,
I found in two seperate marine stores that the rubber gasket IS included with the Racor OEM replacement filter( in this case filter part #S3213) The gaskets are in a small Racor plastic package with a total of three gaskets. The tech rep from Racor/Parker said they started including them "about three years ago". He did not sound sure or exact in my opinion.
Perhaps on the Racor OEM seperator the gasket seats better then on the Mecury/Quicksilver. I will investigate and report. If that is the cases I think I will buy the Racor/Parker model seperator as my Quicksilver Brand seperator is showing some sighs of corrosion.
Newtauk1 posted 06-12-2007 10:11 AM ET (US)
Perhaps the gasket if for the Mercury replacement only.
The filter in this discussion, Racor #RAC S3213, is specific for Mercury replacement not other brands such as OMC. The part number listed is for a Mercury replacement filter. Other OEM brand seperators may require other/different Racor filters.
Bulldog posted 06-12-2007 06:25 PM ET (US)
Newtauk, I purchased two Marpac stainless brackets with Racor filters #S3213 to replace my single filter for twin engines. I just checked no gaskets in either filter which are only in plastic bags! It looks like that small gasket doesn't fit very tight on the spud, won't it just fall off everytime you try to put the filter on in the correct bowl down postion? The spud is the suction side of the filter that goes to the engine, I guess fuel could follow the threads to bypass the filter, but whatever gets by would have to be pretty small. I'm going to go with what was sent to me and not worry about that little gasket, I think there is more possiblity of a problem using it then not! I ordered my stuff on line, so I don't know the age and there is no age marking I can find on any of the items............Jack
seahorse posted 06-12-2007 06:50 PM ET (US)
>>>>> If that is the cases I think I will buy the Racor/Parker model seperator as my Quicksilver Brand seperator is showing some sighs of corrosion.<<<<<

Buy a stainless steel Mercury style separator bracket instead of the Racor brand. The Racor is aluminum and the corrosion gets under the powerdercoat and flakes it off. The sealing surface gets pitted very easily.
Stick with the Merc style and use the Racor elements and that way you can spend $20+ for the Racor element or about $7 for the standard spin-on element from any marine store.
Newtauk1 posted 06-15-2007 11:33 AM ET (US)
Bulldog/Seahorse,
Thanks for the responses. I will Mercury stainless seperator. I should have done that from the begining.
Bulldog. I was suprised to find the Racor filters packaged in plastic bags too. At first I thought the store had somehow bought them in a bulk package and repacked the filters. However I have seen the filters at several other stores and they are all the same. Not that I need a fancy package, but I did intially wonder if a box was damaged or missing, guess not. The package just looks a bit odd.

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Author	Topic: Racor Fuel Filter, Extra Gasket
Newtauk1	posted 06-04-2007 12:26 AM ET (US) My replacement Racor fuel/water filter came with an O-ring for the plastic see through drain, a gasket for the filter connecting to the seperator and finally a third gasket about 1 inch in diameter which I can not figure out where to place. I looked at the Parker(Racor) web site and found nothing that helped. This filter is used on a Mercury 2 stroke. The Racor part is a replacement the Quicksilver filter. Racor #RAC S3213
Sal DiMercurio	posted 06-04-2007 11:00 AM ET (US) The only place I can think of, is where the filter screws into the head, because that about the only place there's a 1" screw-in. I've changed my Racor about 20 times & never saw a 1"...."O" RING. Sal
Newtauk1	posted 06-04-2007 11:30 AM ET (US) Sal, Agreed the screw stem would be the only possible place for this thing but it has a gasket already in place. I have a call into Parker/Racor. Tech reps are in Cal. so I hope to hear from them later today. I originally had the Quicksilver filter and replaced two years ago with the Racor. I do not recall nor do I see that 1" diameter gasket anywhere on the old racor filter. Thanks for the reply. NT1
zotcha	posted 06-04-2007 12:03 PM ET (US) I just went through this last month adding the smaller version Raycor to my 15 Sport. Want to say I discarded the one inch seal, but seem to remember it would have replaced the seal at the bottom of the bowl, where the pet-cock opens and closes for draining/inspecting fuel contents. I seriously cannot remember. Just threw away the instruction sheet on Saturday. Hope this was helpful. zot.
Newtauk1	posted 06-04-2007 12:18 PM ET (US) Racor's response via voicemail (and it was quick) is that the gasket in question goes over the stud screw on the separator to "prevent bypass" of the fuel when the filter is attached. I have put another call/voicemail into Racor to seee if this is a recent change. Up until now we have been exchanging voicemails preventing me from asking and getting additional info. I will post the results ASAP.
Newtauk1	posted 06-04-2007 02:12 PM ET (US) Confirmed Racor has been using the 1" Diameter gasket for about 3 years.
Newtauk1	posted 06-04-2007 02:18 PM ET (US) The term for the mount that the gasket fits over on the seperator is "spud". I previously called it a screw stud.
Sal DiMercurio	posted 06-04-2007 05:11 PM ET (US) Glad you posted this info because I've never paid attention to it. I also thought it could be a replacement for the petcock screw. Sal
Newtauk1	posted 06-04-2007 09:01 PM ET (US) I gotta be honest with you Sal this gasket just does not look right on the filter. I (we) need to clarify this with RACOR.
jimh	posted 06-04-2007 09:50 PM ET (US) Were any instructions provided with the device?
Newtauk1	posted 06-04-2007 10:29 PM ET (US) Jim. are you serious? I would have read them. Plastic bag from Boat US. On the shelf. Why hell do you think I called Parker/Racor?. All the filters from Racor at Boat US are displayed this way. Believe me I went to the Racor website first and then called them as well BEFORE I posted the question here to avoid a useless remark like yours first. I think your question once again proves that you do troll your own web site and create confrontations as well. You should appreciate my info on this recent change of Racor's fuel filter for Mercury outboards.
jimh	posted 06-05-2007 12:43 AM ET (US) Does RACOR have instructions available on their website?
jimh	posted 06-05-2007 01:32 AM ET (US) To answer my own question: see: http://www.parker.com/racor/pdf/7480G/pdf/Section02.pdf Scroll to page 7 of the PDF file. The actual folio on the page shows "97". No instruction sheet called out in the parts breakdown. I bought one (but an S3214 because I was using an OMC filter head) at BoatUS. It came in a plastic bag, too. I don't remember if I had any parts left over. I did find this Press Release, touting the RACOR filter as having always been suitable for use with ethanol diluted gasolines: http://www.parker.com/racor/pdf/PressRelease/PR_MarineGasoline.pdf Newtauk--How about a picture of the leftover gasket?
jimh	posted 06-05-2007 01:41 AM ET (US) Also--That RACOR website is quite confusing. I never really found what I was looking for by using the site navigation. I had to use a GOOGLE search to locate the literature. They're a $9-billion company, so I guess outboard filters are not their principal focus! But I agree with Newtauk--there is no clear illustration of any gasket arrangement or installation instructions on the website that I could find.
Newtauk1	posted 06-05-2007 08:55 AM ET (US) Jim, Sorry to vent(no pun intended) but as you can see the website gave no specific reference to the gasket in question. In fact when I tried to open the PDF's the other day they would not open for me. Believe me I always look for and read directions first. The next step was to contact Parker/Racor. I am still concerned about the way the one inch gasket fits in the spud. It does not fit snug on the spud and upon tightening I wonder if it will migrate to one side. I may have to make a third phone call to Racor. They are going to think I am nuts , but something does not look correct. NT1
Newtauk1	posted 06-05-2007 08:56 AM ET (US) I will snap a few photos today.
Newtauk1	posted 06-05-2007 10:56 PM ET (US) Sent photos to JimH. gasket does not seem to sit correctly on spud.
jimh	posted 06-11-2007 11:40 PM ET (US) Here is a picture of the mystery 1-inch gasket as RACOR recommended it be installed. The gasket is to prevent fuel from bypassing the filter by leaking around the threads on the spud.
Newtauk1	posted 06-12-2007 01:41 AM ET (US) Jim. Thanks for editing and posting the photo. It looks great. The gasket appears in the photo to be seated well, but in reality the gasket can easily fall off to one side around the spud base. I did install of the unit and all seems to be working fine, no leaks or fuel restrictions so far on the muffs. I will get the boat in the water this weekend for it's 2007 shakedown. Many states are going to 10% ethanol and fuel filter separators are becoming more common on smaller boats. I hope this thread can be used a a reference in the future as more owners add filters.
seahorse	posted 06-12-2007 07:24 AM ET (US) What is interesting is that Racor does not include that gasket with its own replacement filter element or with its OMC or BRP replacement element. The pictured filter bracket or head is the Mercury style, which is also the most commonly used design.
jimh	posted 06-12-2007 08:01 AM ET (US) In the OMC style filter, the threaded spud is larger in diameter, so the gasket would fit better. I bought a replacement RACOR filter to spin onto an OMC manifold with the larger spud, and I do not recall that the kit included this extra gasket. Maybe it was old stock.
Newtauk1	posted 06-12-2007 09:45 AM ET (US) Seahorse, I found in two seperate marine stores that the rubber gasket IS included with the Racor OEM replacement filter( in this case filter part #S3213) The gaskets are in a small Racor plastic package with a total of three gaskets. The tech rep from Racor/Parker said they started including them "about three years ago". He did not sound sure or exact in my opinion. Perhaps on the Racor OEM seperator the gasket seats better then on the Mecury/Quicksilver. I will investigate and report. If that is the cases I think I will buy the Racor/Parker model seperator as my Quicksilver Brand seperator is showing some sighs of corrosion.
Newtauk1	posted 06-12-2007 10:11 AM ET (US) Perhaps the gasket if for the Mercury replacement only. The filter in this discussion, Racor #RAC S3213, is specific for Mercury replacement not other brands such as OMC. The part number listed is for a Mercury replacement filter. Other OEM brand seperators may require other/different Racor filters.
Bulldog	posted 06-12-2007 06:25 PM ET (US) Newtauk, I purchased two Marpac stainless brackets with Racor filters #S3213 to replace my single filter for twin engines. I just checked no gaskets in either filter which are only in plastic bags! It looks like that small gasket doesn't fit very tight on the spud, won't it just fall off everytime you try to put the filter on in the correct bowl down postion? The spud is the suction side of the filter that goes to the engine, I guess fuel could follow the threads to bypass the filter, but whatever gets by would have to be pretty small. I'm going to go with what was sent to me and not worry about that little gasket, I think there is more possiblity of a problem using it then not! I ordered my stuff on line, so I don't know the age and there is no age marking I can find on any of the items............Jack
seahorse	posted 06-12-2007 06:50 PM ET (US) >>>>> If that is the cases I think I will buy the Racor/Parker model seperator as my Quicksilver Brand seperator is showing some sighs of corrosion.<<<<< Buy a stainless steel Mercury style separator bracket instead of the Racor brand. The Racor is aluminum and the corrosion gets under the powerdercoat and flakes it off. The sealing surface gets pitted very easily. Stick with the Merc style and use the Racor elements and that way you can spend $20+ for the Racor element or about $7 for the standard spin-on element from any marine store.
Newtauk1	posted 06-15-2007 11:33 AM ET (US) Bulldog/Seahorse, Thanks for the responses. I will Mercury stainless seperator. I should have done that from the begining. Bulldog. I was suprised to find the Racor filters packaged in plastic bags too. At first I thought the store had somehow bought them in a bulk package and repacked the filters. However I have seen the filters at several other stores and they are all the same. Not that I need a fancy package, but I did intially wonder if a box was damaged or missing, guess not. The package just looks a bit odd.