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L H G posted 08-28-2007 06:56 PM ET (US)
see http://www.jacosmarine.com/
Note the 150 Verado and 150 Optimax, both at $9050.
Peter posted 08-28-2007 10:09 PM ET (US)
I found this statement following the price list interesting:
MERCURY HAS MADE THE DECISION TO ELIMINATE MODEL YEAR DESIGNATIONS AS OF MAY 2006. MOTORS WILL BE DESIGNATED AT THE TIME SOLD. ALL MOTORS SOLD IN THE 2007 MODEL YEAR WILL BE 2007's. ALL MOTORS SOLD IN THE 2008 MODEL YEAR WILL BE 2008's. DATE OF MANUFACTURE WILL BE ON THE SERIAL # PLATE INSTEAD OF MODEL #.
So let's see, a 150 Optimax bearing a June 2006 manufacture date, a 150 Optimax bearing a June 2007 manufacture date and a 150 Optimax bearing a June 2008 all sold in September 2008 would all be designated 2008s? What a great policy for the consumer! ;)

Buckda posted 08-28-2007 10:17 PM ET (US)
Woa. 9050 for a VERADO 150 is a fantastical price. I wonder if that outlet has a limit on number sold.
Great find Larry.
Dave
L H G posted 08-28-2007 10:38 PM ET (US)
I have thoroughly investigated the rigging cost of a 135-200 L4 Verado, and it's only about $350 more than rigging an Optimax, E-tec or HPDI, AND YOU GET DTS in the deal. It's a bargain.
The engine can use either mechanical NFB steering, or standard front/side mount Teleflex hydraulic (probably preferred). Only a single rigging "plug and play" cable has to be purchased, which handles everything - Engine ignition, DTS and Smartcraft all in one (no separate blue Smartcraft cable like the earlier engines used). Conventional analog gauges can be used, in conjunction with a $300 Smartcraft system gauge. No hubs, no nothing like that requiring extra installation in the boat and rigging expense. GPS plugs in also. The Dealership has to download the engine software upon installation.
The high quality single DTS control costs about $550, vs the 250 a regular obsolete push-pull cable control costs, another great bargain.
A 1000 MCA starting battery costs about $89 at Bass Pro.
JayR posted 08-30-2007 05:23 PM ET (US)
Peter, how many manufacturers of outboard motors do not follow that practice?
My Evinrude dealer told me they too would be dropping the year model designation.
What's the big deal????
Binkie posted 08-30-2007 07:07 PM ET (US)
As far as dropping year models, how do they handle it if they make an improvement in a certain model and hp. and still have leftovers for sale without the improvement. Do they wait to sell all the leftovers, before they introduce the improved model, or do they introduce the new model, and sell the old unimproved model side by side. Same model, same hp, same year, same price, one improved one not. In the past they would would introduce the new model as next year engine, and the unimproved would be a leftover.
Rich
Peter posted 08-30-2007 08:40 PM ET (US)
Jay -- The simple answer is customer confusion. See tinyurl.com/2ytenn for an interesting discussion on the subject. As of the April publication date, the article mentioned that BRP and Suzuki were holding out on making this move. I hope they don't do it because it is customer/consumer unfriendly.
Tohsgib posted 08-31-2007 11:25 AM ET (US)
How do you change decals? God I hope I do not have to look at these same decals forever. What about hp changes(100-90hp, etc)?
bigjohn1 posted 08-31-2007 06:24 PM ET (US)
"MERCURY HAS MADE THE DECISION TO ELIMINATE MODEL YEAR DESIGNATIONS AS OF MAY 2006. MOTORS WILL BE DESIGNATED AT THE TIME SOLD. ALL MOTORS SOLD IN THE 2007 MODEL YEAR WILL BE 2007's. ALL MOTORS SOLD IN THE 2008 MODEL YEAR WILL BE 2008's. DATE OF MANUFACTURE WILL BE ON THE SERIAL # PLATE INSTEAD OF MODEL #.
So let's see, a 150 Optimax bearing a June 2006 manufacture date, a 150 Optimax bearing a June 2007 manufacture date and a 150 Optimax bearing a June 2008 all sold in September 2008 would all be designated 2008s? What a great policy for the consumer!"
Individual merchant's policy or Mercury corporate policy?
The store itself can pretty much do what it wants and institute whatever system it wants absent corporate Mercury policy.
Peter posted 08-31-2007 08:52 PM ET (US)
"Individual merchant's policy or Mercury corporate policy?"
A combination of both. Mercury and Yamaha have new policies that do away with the model year designation. Then this particular dealer apparently fills the void left by the manufacturers with the dealer policy which says model year is the year sold not the year made.
Suppose another dealer has a different policy that
says the manufacture date is the model year. Now we have the possibility of two sibling motors with the same manufacture date having different model years.
CONFUSION in the marketplace! BUYER BEWARE!
I just bought a slightly used 2003 motor that was sold and first put into service in late 2005. Should this be called a 2005 1/2 even though its clearly manufactured under whatever standards of quality, regulations and pricing that were applicable in 2003, the year it was put into the marketplace available for purchase?
Newtauk1 posted 08-31-2007 10:17 PM ET (US)
Peter. You bought a USED motor. If It had not been used Mercury would warranty it from the original service/purchase date.
I bought a 2001 75hp 2 stroke in 2003. It was new in the box and the warranty began when I bought it in 2003. Used is used.
The policy makes sense for both the consumer and supplier, in this case Mercury.
Newtauk1 posted 09-01-2007 12:32 AM ET (US)
The serial numbers and manufacturing numbers should be used to determine the motors age and help in the resale of a used motor as well as an accurate hour meter and documentation of service and parts replaced. I do not see the downside of eliminating a model year as it is only a number.
towboater posted 09-04-2007 02:03 AM ET (US)
My 06 Honda 500 Rubicon quad is injected via computer chip ingnition...as I suppose the Verado and most new fuel injected 2 or 4 strokes are.
The Rubes "Dash" includes a readout of the time and date the engine first started and every hour of operation since.
I suppose somebody will figure out how to hijack the info some day...but, in my case, if I sell, the numbers will be facts...incl oil changes. It is a 07 i bought in the middle of 06.
Yeah, model years are basically a thing of the past for consumers...tho I expect the ballpark info (year it was purchased new) will remain for many years to come.
mkj
towboater posted 09-04-2007 02:04 AM ET (US)
BTW,
thx for the heads up LHG
Whalerdog posted 09-05-2007 08:19 AM ET (US)
Good news is you still have the date of manufacture on the motor. Mercury said any major mods and the model will be changed.
jimh posted 09-05-2007 08:53 AM ET (US)
Perhaps this dealer is trying to clear out the now obsolete Verado motors before the new VERADO GEN2 motors arrive in the fall.
I am very curious how Mercury is going to differentiate their new VERADO GEN2 motor from the now obsolete VERADO motor. Buyers of these motors being sold without any model year designators have to be very wary of what they are getting.
JohnL posted 09-05-2007 06:20 PM ET (US)
Larry,
thanks for the info, but my wife says no to any re-power or new boat, period.
As for model year I was just looking up a part for my Mercury year 2000 225 EFI outboard. Turns out this particular part changed many times and in fact the only real way to tell is via engine serial number. So in reality year of manufacture did me little good. As a consumer I would like to know if I am getting the newest product with the newest updates, that would be my only worry.
my 2 cents.
mobey posted 09-07-2007 06:44 AM ET (US)
The GEN2 Verados are to have revised cowl graphics such as the newly added 200-HP four-cylinder and 300-HP models; white with chrome decals, changed lettering font, and (almost) no red highlights.

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Author	Topic: Great pricing on Merc props and engines
L H G	posted 08-28-2007 06:56 PM ET (US) see http://www.jacosmarine.com/ Note the 150 Verado and 150 Optimax, both at $9050.
Peter	posted 08-28-2007 10:09 PM ET (US) I found this statement following the price list interesting: MERCURY HAS MADE THE DECISION TO ELIMINATE MODEL YEAR DESIGNATIONS AS OF MAY 2006. MOTORS WILL BE DESIGNATED AT THE TIME SOLD. ALL MOTORS SOLD IN THE 2007 MODEL YEAR WILL BE 2007's. ALL MOTORS SOLD IN THE 2008 MODEL YEAR WILL BE 2008's. DATE OF MANUFACTURE WILL BE ON THE SERIAL # PLATE INSTEAD OF MODEL #. So let's see, a 150 Optimax bearing a June 2006 manufacture date, a 150 Optimax bearing a June 2007 manufacture date and a 150 Optimax bearing a June 2008 all sold in September 2008 would all be designated 2008s? What a great policy for the consumer! ;)
Buckda	posted 08-28-2007 10:17 PM ET (US) Woa. 9050 for a VERADO 150 is a fantastical price. I wonder if that outlet has a limit on number sold. Great find Larry. Dave
L H G	posted 08-28-2007 10:38 PM ET (US) I have thoroughly investigated the rigging cost of a 135-200 L4 Verado, and it's only about $350 more than rigging an Optimax, E-tec or HPDI, AND YOU GET DTS in the deal. It's a bargain. The engine can use either mechanical NFB steering, or standard front/side mount Teleflex hydraulic (probably preferred). Only a single rigging "plug and play" cable has to be purchased, which handles everything - Engine ignition, DTS and Smartcraft all in one (no separate blue Smartcraft cable like the earlier engines used). Conventional analog gauges can be used, in conjunction with a $300 Smartcraft system gauge. No hubs, no nothing like that requiring extra installation in the boat and rigging expense. GPS plugs in also. The Dealership has to download the engine software upon installation. The high quality single DTS control costs about $550, vs the 250 a regular obsolete push-pull cable control costs, another great bargain. A 1000 MCA starting battery costs about $89 at Bass Pro.
JayR	posted 08-30-2007 05:23 PM ET (US) Peter, how many manufacturers of outboard motors do not follow that practice? My Evinrude dealer told me they too would be dropping the year model designation. What's the big deal????
Binkie	posted 08-30-2007 07:07 PM ET (US) As far as dropping year models, how do they handle it if they make an improvement in a certain model and hp. and still have leftovers for sale without the improvement. Do they wait to sell all the leftovers, before they introduce the improved model, or do they introduce the new model, and sell the old unimproved model side by side. Same model, same hp, same year, same price, one improved one not. In the past they would would introduce the new model as next year engine, and the unimproved would be a leftover. Rich
Peter	posted 08-30-2007 08:40 PM ET (US) Jay -- The simple answer is customer confusion. See tinyurl.com/2ytenn for an interesting discussion on the subject. As of the April publication date, the article mentioned that BRP and Suzuki were holding out on making this move. I hope they don't do it because it is customer/consumer unfriendly.
Tohsgib	posted 08-31-2007 11:25 AM ET (US) How do you change decals? God I hope I do not have to look at these same decals forever. What about hp changes(100-90hp, etc)?
bigjohn1	posted 08-31-2007 06:24 PM ET (US) "MERCURY HAS MADE THE DECISION TO ELIMINATE MODEL YEAR DESIGNATIONS AS OF MAY 2006. MOTORS WILL BE DESIGNATED AT THE TIME SOLD. ALL MOTORS SOLD IN THE 2007 MODEL YEAR WILL BE 2007's. ALL MOTORS SOLD IN THE 2008 MODEL YEAR WILL BE 2008's. DATE OF MANUFACTURE WILL BE ON THE SERIAL # PLATE INSTEAD OF MODEL #. So let's see, a 150 Optimax bearing a June 2006 manufacture date, a 150 Optimax bearing a June 2007 manufacture date and a 150 Optimax bearing a June 2008 all sold in September 2008 would all be designated 2008s? What a great policy for the consumer!" Individual merchant's policy or Mercury corporate policy? The store itself can pretty much do what it wants and institute whatever system it wants absent corporate Mercury policy.
Peter	posted 08-31-2007 08:52 PM ET (US) "Individual merchant's policy or Mercury corporate policy?" A combination of both. Mercury and Yamaha have new policies that do away with the model year designation. Then this particular dealer apparently fills the void left by the manufacturers with the dealer policy which says model year is the year sold not the year made. Suppose another dealer has a different policy that says the manufacture date is the model year. Now we have the possibility of two sibling motors with the same manufacture date having different model years. CONFUSION in the marketplace! BUYER BEWARE! I just bought a slightly used 2003 motor that was sold and first put into service in late 2005. Should this be called a 2005 1/2 even though its clearly manufactured under whatever standards of quality, regulations and pricing that were applicable in 2003, the year it was put into the marketplace available for purchase?
Newtauk1	posted 08-31-2007 10:17 PM ET (US) Peter. You bought a USED motor. If It had not been used Mercury would warranty it from the original service/purchase date. I bought a 2001 75hp 2 stroke in 2003. It was new in the box and the warranty began when I bought it in 2003. Used is used. The policy makes sense for both the consumer and supplier, in this case Mercury.
Newtauk1	posted 09-01-2007 12:32 AM ET (US) The serial numbers and manufacturing numbers should be used to determine the motors age and help in the resale of a used motor as well as an accurate hour meter and documentation of service and parts replaced. I do not see the downside of eliminating a model year as it is only a number.
towboater	posted 09-04-2007 02:03 AM ET (US) My 06 Honda 500 Rubicon quad is injected via computer chip ingnition...as I suppose the Verado and most new fuel injected 2 or 4 strokes are. The Rubes "Dash" includes a readout of the time and date the engine first started and every hour of operation since. I suppose somebody will figure out how to hijack the info some day...but, in my case, if I sell, the numbers will be facts...incl oil changes. It is a 07 i bought in the middle of 06. Yeah, model years are basically a thing of the past for consumers...tho I expect the ballpark info (year it was purchased new) will remain for many years to come. mkj
towboater	posted 09-04-2007 02:04 AM ET (US) BTW, thx for the heads up LHG
Whalerdog	posted 09-05-2007 08:19 AM ET (US) Good news is you still have the date of manufacture on the motor. Mercury said any major mods and the model will be changed.
jimh	posted 09-05-2007 08:53 AM ET (US) Perhaps this dealer is trying to clear out the now obsolete Verado motors before the new VERADO GEN2 motors arrive in the fall. I am very curious how Mercury is going to differentiate their new VERADO GEN2 motor from the now obsolete VERADO motor. Buyers of these motors being sold without any model year designators have to be very wary of what they are getting.
JohnL	posted 09-05-2007 06:20 PM ET (US) Larry, thanks for the info, but my wife says no to any re-power or new boat, period. As for model year I was just looking up a part for my Mercury year 2000 225 EFI outboard. Turns out this particular part changed many times and in fact the only real way to tell is via engine serial number. So in reality year of manufacture did me little good. As a consumer I would like to know if I am getting the newest product with the newest updates, that would be my only worry. my 2 cents.
mobey	posted 09-07-2007 06:44 AM ET (US) The GEN2 Verados are to have revised cowl graphics such as the newly added 200-HP four-cylinder and 300-HP models; white with chrome decals, changed lettering font, and (almost) no red highlights.