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jimh posted 12-10-2007 09:03 PM ET (US)   Profile for jimh   Send Email to jimh  
This is a follow up to a prior discussion. I have started a new thread because the original was getting a bit bogged down in some related topics, and also because I wanted to shift the topic a bit to a new technical discussion.

The notion that there are distinct "generations" of the E-TEC recognizable via serial numbers or model years is not a good way to characterize these motors. The software that is loaded into the engine management module is probably a better way to characterize the engine's heritage or pedigree.

The operation of a modern computer-controlled engine is primarily determined by the software operating it, and in the case of the E-TEC this seems particularly true. Bombardier has been quite active in making software changes to improve the operation of the engine, and they have also made these updates available to customers to allow earlier engines to be updated. Someone who bought an E-TEC in 2004 can have the engine management module software updated to the latest revision, and in a sense they can upgrade their motor.

Of course, software cannot make hardware changes, but in the case of the patented Bombardier E-TEC injector, we have already seen and discussed in detail (in the prior discussion) how the characteristics of the injector are modeled in the software! The four coefficients which characterize an injector turn the injector into a piece of software from a piece of hardware. This is really quite a radical concept. Let's explore it further.

With the injector characteristics provided by the software and its four coefficients, the injector is no longer locked into a particular mechanical configuration. Now let me be perfectly clear that what I am about to propose is just my own speculation and should be considered only as that, but it is clear that if Bombardier wished to, they could probably change the actual physical characteristics of the injectors, install the new injectors on old engines, and program the engine to work with the new injectors by changing the software that controls them.

As long as the electrical nature of the injector--the voltage it needs and the current it consumes--remains within the range of the circuitry in an old engine, all of the accommodations needed to use the new injector could be provided for in software changes. This could even include the addition of further parameters necessary to describe the injector in a software model. Perhaps five or six coefficients might be necessary. When the engine management module is updated it learns about the new coefficients. This is the beauty of a modern engine in which the real character--the "generation" of the engine--is determined by its software.

XStech posted 12-10-2007 11:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for XStech  Send Email to XStech     
"""install the new injectors on old engines, and program the engine to work with the new injectors by changing the software that controls them."""

I don't doubt that they could. Most good engine platforms have that capability. However, I heard (read?) that there was also a change in the swirl nozzle in the new injectors. They could still maybe be retrofit to older engines, but was there any other geometry changes such as combustion chamber or piston bowl that would preclude the retrofit?

Were they able to eliminate the deflector pins and plug indexing with the new injectors?

Thanks

jimh posted 12-10-2007 11:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Those are good questions. I don't have the answers.
seahorse posted 12-11-2007 02:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for seahorse  Send Email to seahorse     
I think everyone is making too much out of the injectors.

The original injector has a "swirl tip" also, this one is slightly different as is the cylinder head.

Companies change product designs either to make things less expensive to produce or because the original product needed improvements. Merc has had several injector changes over the years in its Opti motors, XSTech will confirm that or you can check part numbers at a dealership. They even color-coded them to see if the newer ones were installed in a motor.

In the case of the '08 E-TEC injectors, it is internal parts changes that are the difference. Emission outputs are the same, and for upcoming regulations, the new injector can be more finely tuned. Also new motor designs are coming which will incorporate these parts or have them scaled up or down.

All E-TEC injectors have wear parameters built into the software and the engine computer counts the "firings" of each injector and varies its electrical signal to account for predetermined wear patterns over the life of the motor. This combined with the intial production co-efficents make for a super accurate fuel delivery system millions of pulses down the road.

fourdfish posted 12-11-2007 11:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for fourdfish  Send Email to fourdfish     
Seahorse-That last part suggests that the software extends the life of the injector. That is really innovative! Cars could really do well with something like that!
XStech posted 12-11-2007 04:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for XStech  Send Email to XStech     
Seahorse- Do you know if they were able to eliminate the deflector pins and plug indexing?
seahorse posted 12-11-2007 04:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for seahorse  Send Email to seahorse     

You still have to index the plugs.

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