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shindog107 posted 04-17-2008 09:45 PM ET (US)   Profile for shindog107  
[For sale] there's a 1983 Outrage 22 Cuddy with a rebuilt 185 HP Evinrude. [For this combination, what is a] ballpark top end speed and time to plane with a light load? According to the reference page the boat is rated for 240-HP and most members here seem to have 200 to 225-HP on their boats. I would use the boat in Raritan Bay and around Sandy Hook. Assuming the proper propeller, will the boat hold plane at 3,500 to 3,700 rpm in a three foot chop? More importantly will I be able to take it or will the boat beat me like my Montauk?

Thanks

John

newt posted 04-18-2008 12:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for newt  Send Email to newt     
while I've never ridden in a classic 22 foot hull, I can assure you that the ride is nothing like a Montauk. I have a V-20 Hull (shorter and less dead rise than a classic 22 hull) and the difference in ride compared to a Montauk is night and day.
JMARTIN posted 04-18-2008 01:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
Ball park, 35 mph. My 22 Revenge will hold plane in chop at 3200rpm with a 200hp. The sweet spot is 3500rpm for best mpg. The hull will handle rough conditions very well without pounding. It is a much heavier boat than the Montauk John
jimh posted 04-18-2008 11:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
There is really very little similarity between the hulls of a MONTUAK 17 and an OUTRAGE 22 CUDDY. The OUTRAGE 22 CUDDY has a moderate v-hull, it is five feet longer, it is wider, and it is substantially more boat. There will be no comparison in the ride quality if your reference is a Montauk.

You can find a good estimate for the top speed of the boat if you total up its weight, then use Crouch's Calculator (see link below) with a hull factor constant of 180, along with your 185-HP figure. Without actually running all the numbers, I would say 35-MPH is a good seat-of-the-pants guess.

You cannot really define the speed at which the boat will hold plane in terms of the engine speed. You have to define the speed the boat will hold plane by the boat speed. I would say that my experience with similar Boston Whaler hulls makes me think you will need to reach about 20 to 22-MPH to maintain plane. If you want to stay on plane at lower speeds you will need to add trim tabs. Exactly what propeller you'll need is going to be dependent on your particular boat, the weight of all the gear, and the motor. With regard to the motor it will also be dependent on the gear ratio and the motor's torque curve.

In general a 22-foot Boston Whaler hull will need at least 20-MPH to generate enough lift to stay on plane. The CUDDY model carries more weight in the bow, so it may actually be easier to plane at lower speed as the weight will help hold the bow rise to a minimum.

Crouch's Calculator
A unique implementation of Naval Architect George Crouch's estimate of performance of moderate planing hulls
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andygere posted 04-19-2008 02:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
I own an Outrage 22 Cuddy with a 200. I'd expect about 35 mph, with a pretty quick time to plane. You will feel like you are riding on air compared to your Montauk. The Outrage 22 hull is among the best riding 22 foot boats I've ever been on. I can get mine to stay on plane down to around 15 mph.
Tohsgib posted 04-21-2008 11:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
The 185 is a prop rated 200. In 1984 or so they started rating engines at the prop. The 200 was now called a 185. Anotherwords if your engine was a year or so older it would have said 200 which probably would have made you feel better. My friend has a Mako 21 with a 185 and with a 15x17 SST she runs out just about 40mph.
tchowes posted 04-22-2008 11:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for tchowes  Send Email to tchowes     
I have a 22' Outrage cuddy with a 225 Mariner/Mercury 3.0L. Top speed is around 42 MPG with 1/2 a tank and two people. Cruises nicely at 25MPH at 3,200 RPM. Had a Merc 150 on before, not quite enough power with a full tank and four people aboard. Practically had to go full speed to keep on a plane.

Someone else here has a 150 Yamaha 4 cycle. Seems to have plenty of power for them.

Tom W Clark posted 04-23-2008 09:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
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The 185 is a prop rated 200. In 1984 or so they started rating engines at the prop. The 200 was now called a 185.

No, strictly speaking that is not true. What is true is that the 185 is a powerhead rated 175.

Over the course of two or three models years as OMC changed over to prop shaft power ratings, the 185 became the 175 and the 235 became the 225.

The powerhead rated 150 and the prop shaft rated 150 were exactly the same. I know, I owned one of each on the same boat. there was zero difference performance.

Tohsgib posted 04-23-2008 11:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Tom in 1983 they had a 235, 200, 175 and 150. In 1984 they had 235, 185 and 150. In 1985 the same and ALL cross flow engines. In 1986 they had a 225 & 200(loop charged)and 175 & 150(cross flows). The 235 NEVER became the 225 because the 225 is Loopcharged and the 235 was a crossflow. Now what makes sense to you?
contender posted 04-26-2008 06:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for contender  Send Email to contender     
Tohsgib is totally correct 235 is not a 225, 235 use to have a problem of blowing the top piston ring, because there was not enougth metal on the top of the piston, it would get to hot and come apart. But the cross flow engines were bullet proof. Tohsgib, I had a 21 mako with a 185 Johnson Bimini top and with that prop, sold it to a fireman, never had any problems it was a nice boat...take care
Bluejay15 posted 04-26-2008 09:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bluejay15  Send Email to Bluejay15     
I owned a 235 for 2 years till it blew. This happend a few years ago and the motor was a 1982 so it lasted a while. It was a great motor when it ran. Number 6 popped and scored the cylinder good. After that happend I started the motor right up and drove home on 5 cylinders. I think the 235 put out around 200 at the prop shaft.

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