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andrewbanks2 posted 06-02-2010 05:26 PM ET (US)   Profile for andrewbanks2   Send Email to andrewbanks2  
I purchased a new 2011 Evinrude E-TEC 225-HP. Now it's time to determine the best prop selection for my [ 1987 Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 22 with standard notched transom]. I've read of hitting speeds over 50-MPH and I've also read about fuel efficiency. I'll probably [buy a propeller made of] stainless [steel]. Please provide advice on what [stainless steel propeller] would work best [on an E-TEC 225-HP on a Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 22]. I appreciate your help. Thanks.
DeeVee posted 06-02-2010 09:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for DeeVee  Send Email to DeeVee     
Andrew--I look forward to hearing about your re-power.

Doug Vazquez
1989 Outrage 22
1992 Suzuki 200 (old)

SJUAE posted 06-03-2010 12:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
Andrew--Congrats, I have a 2006 210 Outrage with a E-TEC 200 H.O. The 19-pitch Viper was a little too big for me with 5,200-RPM at WOT and 42-MPH. The 17-pitch Viper was spot on with 5,600-RPM at WOT and 45-MPH fully loaded, T-Top, kicker and 2 people

I think the 19-pitch Viper would be a good for you as you have a 25-HP more, and maybe your hull is slightly less V than my one.

A Rebel you need to go down 2-inches in pitch. A Cyclone up to 4-inches over the Viper to maintain same [engine speed].

The 19-pitch Viper should give you maximum speed. the Rebel 17-pitch would give you better midrange and lower planning speed.

I think this would be a good start point, and, if you can turn a 19-pitch Rebel, would be even better, Regards--Steve

jimh posted 06-03-2010 12:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Try a three-blade propeller with 17-inch pitch for a starting point.
acseatsri posted 06-04-2010 12:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for acseatsri  Send Email to acseatsri     
I have the same rig- 1987 22 Outrage, 2006 225 Etec, but with a large T-Top.

15.5 x 17P Rebel, 46-47 MPH lightly loaded, 5600 RPM. Trimmed properly, 2.9-3.2 MPG anywhere from 18-35 MPH.

andrewbanks2 posted 06-04-2010 09:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for andrewbanks2  Send Email to andrewbanks2     
Will the 19 pitch [REBEL] work better than a 17 pitch [REBEL]? What are your thoughts? I appreciate your help.
acseatsri posted 06-04-2010 09:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for acseatsri  Send Email to acseatsri     
I think the 17 pitch is the right one unless you're always very light. This prop has a lot of surface area (read large ears), so it holds very well in rough seas. Probably the same reason the nearly flat MPG in such a wide range of speeds. I'm also assuming that they haven't changed the recommended OPTIMUM WOT range of 5,500 to 5,600-RPM. You definitely don't want to lug these engines.

I'm also considering raising the engine to the highest hole position from its current second from top, so second from the top is a good starting point.

andrewbanks2 posted 06-04-2010 09:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for andrewbanks2  Send Email to andrewbanks2     
I don't usually run light, but I don't have a T-top. Do you think the T-top makes a difference? I appreciate your help. I'm thinking the 17 [REBEL] is probably what would work best, but I want to make the right purchase. I've got the 77 gallon fuel tank. Have there been any major changes in the 2006 vs. 2011 that would make a difference?
jimh posted 06-05-2010 07:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The E-TEC 225-HP engine of 2011 is different from the E-TEC 225-HP engine of 2006 in some ways, but I do not know if you can call any of the differences to be major differences. I do not think any of the differences will have an effect on the boat speed that can be reached. A 225-HP engine is still a 225-HP engine, and the way the engine power is rated has not changed. About the only change that might influence propeller selection is the gear ratio, and I do not recall any big change in gear ratio in those years.

A T-top will influence boat speed.

acseatsri posted 06-05-2010 11:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for acseatsri  Send Email to acseatsri     
I would still start with the 17 pitch. You DO NOT WANT to lug these engines, but rather hit the high end of the recommended operating speed (55-5600 RPM), which I hit the top of when carrying less than 20 gallons and just myself in the boat. My T-top is maybe 150-200 lbs, which is nearly irrelevent in the big picture.

Heavily loaded, which is 105 gallons of fuel,(3) 200 pound men, and 2-300 pounds of fishing gear and coolers plus a full 27 gallon livewell in front of the console, she still spins up 53-5400 RPM.

PS-the 105 gallons includes a full 29 gallon aux tank in the (what used to be) rear fishwell.

jimh posted 06-05-2010 12:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The influence of a T-top on boat speed is not limited to its weight. A T-top adds drag from air resistance.
DeeVee posted 06-05-2010 01:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for DeeVee  Send Email to DeeVee     
I have a 22 Outrage that currently is powered with a long in the tooth Suzuki 200. I am always interested in hearing about 22 repower projects, especially with the 225 Etec, as that may be my engine choice when repower time does finally arrive.

Our boat has a large t-top installed. Since I am in the not so warm Pacific Northwest, I almost always have the weather curtain set installed.

The front surface area of the set is approximately 38" wide. At a cruising speed of 20 to 30 MPH there is definately significant wind pressure against the front curtain. As Jim indicates, that drag would have to affect boat speed. I am not sure how significant of an affect, but a detrimental effect nontheless.

Keep the performance reports coming.

Thank you,

Doug Vazquez

SJUAE posted 06-05-2010 01:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
Andrew

My guess of

quote:
The 19-pitch Viper should give you maximum speed. the Rebel 17-pitch would give you better midrange and lower planning speed.

Based on my own experiance and confirmed by acseatsri

quote:
I have the same rig- 1987 22 Outrage, 2006 225 Etec, but with a large T-Top. 15.5 x 17P Rebel, 46-47 MPH lightly loaded, 5600 RPM. Trimmed properly, 2.9-3.2 MPG anywhere from 18-35 MPH.

Should put you in the right spot. Not having the T-Top is not likely to enable you to move up to a 19" Rebel but should give you 2-3 more mph and a more comfatable loading margin.

Considering most of the time you will never go above 5000rpm I would not worry if you think a very lightly loaded boat and no T-top may put you just over the 5600rpm.

You would need to be nearer 6000rpm before you could consider going up to the 19" Rebel assuming your at second from top mounting hole.

Regards
Steve

acseatsri posted 06-05-2010 04:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for acseatsri  Send Email to acseatsri     
My last reply/recommendation:

I would definitely go with the 17P Rebel prop. I would also mount the engine in the highest hole position to start. I think you may lose the ability to trim the last couple of degrees without blowing out, but the ride quality would improve with even less porpoising at lower speeds and probably a little more top-end speed due to less drag.

I wouldn't try this with a Revenge or Outrage cuddy, but the Outrage has a lighter bow to begin with, so max trim would hardly ever be required under normal conditions.

PS- my top speds are always with the windows on the T-top. I would be fairly sure that they knock off 2-3 MPH. I also have the bottom barrier coated and bottom painted, and not that smooth either. Next year the plan is to wet sand the bottom to give it a smoother surface and probably pick up 2-3 MPH.

andrewbanks2 posted 06-05-2010 08:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for andrewbanks2  Send Email to andrewbanks2     
Thanks again for all the advice. I'll go with the 17 rebel based on the information provided. I'll post some pictures once I get everything rigged and provide details on performance. As I'm sure the same holds true for all of you, this has been a project of mine for many years. I've installed all new seating and upholstery, new gauges, added a stero with speakers, and now I'm finally repowering!!!!! I appreciate your help.
Andy

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